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'Like a Soviet-type economy': GOP free traders unload on Trump
The president's $12 billion farm bailout gets an ugly reception among many Republicans in Congress.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
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.... I'm just going to stop engaging with you until you stop calling him fluff like that. It's just too vapid and dumb for me, and too annoying. So i guess that's it for you and me, lol.Meltdown99 said:PJ_Soul said:
I think I might know why you're saying that, but some experts think that having free-trade with Mexico is mainly beneficial for the purpose of continually expanding trade in the Americas - not maintaining free trade relations with Mexico would apparently damage those avenues. And while Trump wants to separate everyone - divide and conquer - it is the opinion of many that maintaining as many trade ties with other nations as possible will be to Canada's benefit in the long run when it comes to dealing with the US. That seems like a very valid argument to me.Meltdown99 said:
I am sure it will ... I'll make 1 thing clear. I'm OK with free trade with US, but Mexico I am not ...PJ_Soul said:
He will have a real affect on our lives, especially economically, with this trade war he's started.Meltdown99 said:
Well for one, I really don't pay that much attention to Trump. I have no say in US elections. I am not comrade meltdown66 ... more like a hoser, eh.PJ_Soul said:
Trump is a whole lot more than offensive, but if you only pay attention to the superficial crap, then I can see why you'd think that.Meltdown99 said:I still think Bush Jr. was worse. Trump is just offensive. Bush started 2 big wars that lead to a bigger mess. Not saying Trump won't start a war, there is time...
I am saying this because the trade agreement has decimated Ontario manufacturing, especially southwester Ontario. We can not compete with 5.00/day wages or whatever there wage are. I understand why, the economies of the 2 countries are intertwined. Then maybe fluff should join trump in demanding wage protection from Mexico.
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Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
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Keep an eye out for racial disparities in the distribution of the $12 billion in aid. Its not like that hasn't happened before.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
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Gotcha! I mentioned that.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
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Exactly.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
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You said “in part.” Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine.tempo_n_groove said:
Gotcha! I mentioned that.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
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Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote? Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.The Juggler said:
You said “in part.” Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine.tempo_n_groove said:
Gotcha! I mentioned that.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
I want to know why year after year we keep doing it? Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.
Screen shot didn't have usable links.
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Farming is an inherently risky business. Government subsidies help alleviate the risk of poor weather, supply and demand and fluctuations in commodities farmers need to survive, diesel fuel and fertilizers or feed corn. Without subsidies, farmers would never make it through the lean years and we as a nation and most of the world would starve. The difference here is it’s completely self inflicted and stupid. You can’t blame it on OPEC, the weather, a blight of some pest or a key fertilizer ingredient shortage. It’s all Team Trump Treason because he’s an idiot.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Again, bailouts and industry subsidies are not the same thing. We're talking about a bailout here. I think everyone knows that farming is subsidized? And the reason that should be perfectly fine with everyone is because it's a necessary food source, and subsidies allow the food to stay reasonably affordable (relatively) in a very flawed capitalist system.tempo_n_groove said:
Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote? Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.The Juggler said:
You said “in part.” Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine.tempo_n_groove said:
Gotcha! I mentioned that.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
I want to know why year after year we keep doing it? Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.
Screen shot didn't have usable links.
Just google it please.
This bailout is simply a roundabout way of Trump bailing himself out of his own incompetence.
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@Halifax2TheMax you need to get on Twitter.
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Subsidies is a nice way of saying bailout.PJ_Soul said:
Again, bailouts and industry subsidies are not the same thing. We're talking about a bailout here. I think everyone knows that farming is subsidized? And the reason that should be perfectly fine with everyone is because it's a necessary food source, and subsidies allow the food to stay reasonably affordable (relatively) in a very flawed capitalist system.tempo_n_groove said:
Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote? Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.The Juggler said:
You said “in part.” Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine.tempo_n_groove said:
Gotcha! I mentioned that.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
I want to know why year after year we keep doing it? Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.
Screen shot didn't have usable links.
Just google it please.
This bailout is simply a roundabout way of Trump bailing himself out of his own incompetence.
My conspiracy theory about farming and government isn’t going over well so I’m bowing out on this one.
Doesnt everyone always say “follow the money”!?!Post edited by tempo_n_groove on0 -
And have a crowd with torches showing up outside my house? Ain’t got time for that!vaggar99 said:@Halifax2TheMax you need to get on Twitter.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Ask Hillary. She got filthy rich on insider trading of cattle futures. See Starr, Kenneth; Whitewater; Foster, Vincent; Law firm, Rose; Flowers, Gennifer; Lewinsky, Monica; Tripp, Linda; Wynett, Tammy; Jones, Paula; Rich, Marc; Brown, Ron; Furnishings, White House.tempo_n_groove said:
Subsidies is a nice way of saying bailout.PJ_Soul said:
Again, bailouts and industry subsidies are not the same thing. We're talking about a bailout here. I think everyone knows that farming is subsidized? And the reason that should be perfectly fine with everyone is because it's a necessary food source, and subsidies allow the food to stay reasonably affordable (relatively) in a very flawed capitalist system.tempo_n_groove said:
Fair enough. But you didn't read the rest of what I wrote? Bailouts of the farmers have been happening for 40+years now.The Juggler said:
You said “in part.” Make no mistake, Trump would not be bailing out farmers with $12 billion dollars if he didn’t kill them with unnecessary tariffs in the first place. This whole thing is asinine.tempo_n_groove said:
Gotcha! I mentioned that.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Whoops. Yes subsidies.PJ_Soul said:
Subsidiaries? What do you mean? Do you mean subsidies?tempo_n_groove said:
I figured this was coming.Halifax2TheMax said:The Team Trump Treason Administration wants to give farmers $12 billion in aid to offset the effects of retalitory tariffs. How fucking stupid is that? Where is the money coming from? I thought the repubes were fiscally responsible, firm stewards of the nation's resources? A self-inflicted $12 billion dollar blunder. Idiots. And suckers.
Subsidiaries to the farmers has long been documented. Nothing new about this.
I'll have to read up more on this.
A bailout resulting from a trade war is a whole lot different than annual subsidies.
It's the same thing. It's a bailout for the farmers. They make money all the time so don't think that they don't.
The farming industry has been awful for years. Flooding, GMO's, Corn for ethanol, drought, freeze. They are always having problems. Yet they always make money.
Yes, this bailout is in part because of Tariffs but it's been happening for a long time too.
I've always wondered if the mega corporations that design the seeds are the ones pushing legislation for the farmers?
Google "Why is the government bailing out farmers" and you'll get stories of this happening for different reasons from the past 40 years.
We should all be questioning why that happens year after year...This bailout is due DIRECTLY to Trump's own stupid tariffs, dude.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517
“This is what we feared all along, that these markets would be replaced by handouts,” Flake said. “You lose some of these markets, you lose them for good or a long time.”
“You put people in the poorhouse and provide them aid. What you need to do is not put them in the poorhouse,” Corker said. "They put in place a policy that requires farmers to go on welfare
I want to know why year after year we keep doing it? Someone in government is making money off of the farmers somehow with the bailouts.
Screen shot didn't have usable links.
Just google it please.
This bailout is simply a roundabout way of Trump bailing himself out of his own incompetence.
My conspiracy theory about farming and government isn’t going over well so I’m bowing out on this one.
Doesnt everyone always say “follow the money”!?!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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getting blocked by the leaders of the those angry mobs is a sort of badge of honorHalifax2TheMax said:
And have a crowd with torches showing up outside my house? Ain’t got time for that!vaggar99 said:@Halifax2TheMax you need to get on Twitter.0 -
Speaks of polls. New Q poll has him at 38% and this:
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