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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 12,584
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    "Read my lips, no new taxes."
    well I didnt ask you ;)

    Yup - that lead to Ross Perot....and that gave the election to Clinton.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,961
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,158
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    His handling of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its aftermath doesn’t get enough credit.
     
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,961
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    I get what you're saying. He's a good public speaker if you never attended school, don't understand English or are deaf. Who knew that there are 60 million plus Americans who fit that criteria... ;)
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,158
    Can anyone imagine the Team Trump Treason Administration handling any “crisis” of that magnitude or severity? You better hope no big shit storm occur, whether economic, political or military. We’re down to the E Team.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,961
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    His handling of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its aftermath doesn’t get enough credit.
     
    I agree. He did great in that regard, but by the time re-election came along all anyone could think of was taxes and Iraq.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • LizardLizard So CalPosts: 11,931
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    Agreed.

    Is it over yet? #ITMFA
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 12,584
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    His handling of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its aftermath doesn’t get enough credit.
     
    I agree. He did great in that regard, but by the time re-election came along all anyone could think of was taxes and Iraq.
    What about Iraq did you not like?  I think the recent years have shown GHWB was smarter than a lot of people...definitely me. ;)
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    tbergs said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    I get what you're saying. He's a good public speaker if you never attended school, don't understand English or are deaf. Who knew that there are 60 million plus Americans who fit that criteria... ;)
    Well he does love the poorly educated. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,158
    Senator Cruz complaining about screaming and yelling on the senate floor dressed in a grey suit and sporting a beard as he screams and yells on the senate floor. Now claiming walls are effective. Someone please cue the faux news footage of the folks coming over the wall.
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  • LizardLizard So CalPosts: 11,931

    Is it over yet? #ITMFA
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,548
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    I don't know. He organized the greatest coalition in the history of the world and won that war with as little casualties as possible... 


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,597
    edited January 24
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,597
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    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,870
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    I don't know. He organized the greatest coalition in the history of the world and won that war with as little casualties as possible... 


    Nor did he escalate the war. Got the job done and got out. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,158
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
    And he’s incapable of change. Or compromise.
     
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
    I don't think the democrats have any good challengers. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,158
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
    I don't think the democrats have any good challengers. 
    Still too early.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,597
    edited January 24
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
    I don't think the democrats have any good challengers. 
    I think that is a completely pathetic statement. Saying that they don't have any good challengers against openly demented Donald Fucking Trump (before the candidates are even official no less, and haven't started campaigning, and during an unending government shutdown that Trump created). Man, if America has lost the plot THAT badly, it's time for the country to disband.
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    What does it say about Team Trump Treason’s plan to reopen government when Tom “I’m a Warrior, Hear Me Roar” Cotton votes against it?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,287
    34% of all registered votes support him, per that poll. 
    So how can we assume that the rest of the public isn’t the same ratio?

    Is geography a factor?
    I've always been kinda dismissive of polls like this. 34% of ALL registered voters support him? I wasn't polled. In fact, I've been a registered voter for 17 years and I haven't once been polled in any way. 

    I half kidding there. There's obviously some sort of mathematics/science behind polls that makes it credible because they often times predict the correct outcomes. But I didn't buy the polls during the 2016 election because I felt there were a lot of closeted Trump supporters (I actually knew a couple personally) that didn't want to admit they supported him because they'd be made fun of for it. I think there are more of those Trump voters than there are MAGA-hat-wearing Trump fans. I  wonder if his horrible presidency will flip those "closeted" voters....because his fans aren't going anywhere. But they're just a vocal minority. 
    The
    National
    Polls
    Were
    Largely
    Correct
    In
    2016

    They mostly had him losing the popular vote by about 3%, which is roughly what he lost the popular vote by. 

    Sorry. But I feel like I've had to say this to folks a million times over the last few years. 

    But
    The
    National
    Polls
    Don't 
    Matter

    Unless of course you give a crap about the popular vote.  As for some polls that actually matter, Trump trailed in polls in Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan on the eve of the election, and won all three states.
    Why would you think they do not matter? What's a better way to gauge the mood of the country? Have a weekly national election? I'd argue they matter now more than ever. Republicans didn't start to part ways with Nixon until his numbers dropped into the low 30's. And approval numbers usually dictate winners and losers in government shutdowns---since more of the country blames Trump, Pelosi has the leverage to  postpone the state of the union. 

    Regarding 2016:
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-real-story-of-2016/
    Another myth is that Trump’s victory represented some sort of catastrophic failure for the polls. Trump outperformed his national polls by only 1 to 2 percentage points in losing the popular vote to Clinton, making them slightly closer to the mark than they were in 2012. Meanwhile, he beat his polls by only 2 to 3 percentage points in the average swing state.3 Certainly, there were individual pollsters that had some explaining to do, especially in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, where Trump beat his polls by a larger amount. But the result was not some sort of massive outlier; on the contrary, the polls were pretty much as accurate as they’d been, on average, since 1968.


    Spot on regarding the 2016 polls. Nationally they were spot on, but some states (including many that play fast and loose with voting rights) were not.

    In FL for example, is anyone going to point out in all the rural red districts, turnout was through the roof in 2018? While in the large city and suburban blue districts, turnout was only so so?

     And the Rs lately are consistently finding a way to win elections FL statewide by 0.2%. Like they know the exact number of votes needed to win. Just like 2016 PA MI WI.

    Funny how that works. 
    You think it's weird that they know what they need to do to win?  That's weird.

    If Hillary had thought about it and campaigned properly we wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.  Lots of people on those campaigns are paid to figure out how to eek out the right number of votes from each of the districts let alone the state.


    That they know exactly what the right number is, to within 0.2% each time. I'd say go to Vegas.

     Or, tell the college kids their IDs are no good, while allowing gun licensees and military ID holders to vote. Disallow the precise number of votes needed. Good work.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
    I don't think the democrats have any good challengers. 
    Still too early.
    True but the ones that have announced their candidacy (Harris, O'Rourke, Gillibrand) don't have a chance. There's always the pipe-dream of Joe Biden, but who knows what he'll do (such a shame he didn't/couldn't run in 2016). Otherwise, I don't know what other governors or senators may run. I also don't know, in this era of Trump, if the smart move is putting your name out there as soon as you can, or to wait. 

    I also wonder if some rouge Republicans would dare try to challenge Trump for the GOP nomination. What a shitshow that'd be. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,845
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,597
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,158
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.
    I don't think the democrats have any good challengers. 
    Still too early.
    True but the ones that have announced their candidacy (Harris, O'Rourke, Gillibrand) don't have a chance. There's always the pipe-dream of Joe Biden, but who knows what he'll do (such a shame he didn't/couldn't run in 2016). Otherwise, I don't know what other governors or senators may run. I also don't know, in this era of Trump, if the smart move is putting your name out there as soon as you can, or to wait. 

    I also wonder if some rouge Republicans would dare try to challenge Trump for the GOP nomination. What a shitshow that'd be. 
    Better to wait. Why give the opposition more time to do opposition research and character assassination? And not Team Trump Treason but his minions like adelson, Koch and national enquirer.
     
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,961
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    tbergs said:
    my2hands said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked. 

    Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
    Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.
    Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless. 
    Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?

    I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
    Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidate 

    Whatever makes you feel better
    Most qualified presidential candidate ever
    That was a good joke. 
    ever.
    Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bush
    Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.

    Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
    Pretty close? Lol
    The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.
    GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long.  Even though his policies domestically ended.  He wasn't a good politician.

    Why do you think he was 1 and done?
    Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....
    Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.
    I don't know. He organized the greatest coalition in the history of the world and won that war with as little casualties as possible... 


    Nor did he escalate the war. Got the job done and got out. 

    Good job indeed. "Won", ok. Sounds a lot like the victory we're claiming against ISIS. We were there because of oil and did what would benefit us the best, which is why we got in and got out without actually doing anything of real long term significance.Then we went back 10 years later and "won" again. Damn, we're good.

    Sorry, I know I'm being a little harsh, but the whole Iraq situation has been spun through the pro-USA propaganda machine too many times. What you have is the despicable Dick Cheney right there for both of them leading the way. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,597
    edited January 24
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
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