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and he wants to pay for the wall with a 20% import tax from Mexico. Mexico is the 3rd largest exporter of goods coming into the USA. this would be an utter disaster for the economy. just an idiotic plan.HughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
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do any of you know how much money is sent across the border to mexico by these workers you are talking about ? I think about $20billion a year....can't clearly remember(that's a lot of money sucked out of a struggling economy), but that tax comment made ? there are thousands of tax paying illegals that use false I.D's and commit identification theft so it's really hard to for me to agree with anything promoting illegal immigration.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
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I think that was 1 idea...but go onpjhawks said:
and he wants to pay for the wall with a 20% import tax from Mexico. Mexico is the 3rd largest exporter of goods coming into the USA. this would be an utter disaster for the economy. just an idiotic plan.HughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
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well idea #1 was Mexico was going to pay for it but that ain't happening. this was the 2nd idea. think he has any better ideas on how to fund this without fucking the average american?JC29856 said:
I think that was 1 idea...but go onpjhawks said:
and he wants to pay for the wall with a 20% import tax from Mexico. Mexico is the 3rd largest exporter of goods coming into the USA. this would be an utter disaster for the economy. just an idiotic plan.HughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
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I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
yeah, I laughed when I saw that. if his supporters are ok with that, well, what more can be said?pjhawks said:
and he wants to pay for the wall with a 20% import tax from Mexico. Mexico is the 3rd largest exporter of goods coming into the USA. this would be an utter disaster for the economy. just an idiotic plan.HughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
At this point it all seems like a big game of chicken...We'll see who can hold out the longest.HughFreakingDillon said:
yeah, I laughed when I saw that. if his supporters are ok with that, well, what more can be said?pjhawks said:
and he wants to pay for the wall with a 20% import tax from Mexico. Mexico is the 3rd largest exporter of goods coming into the USA. this would be an utter disaster for the economy. just an idiotic plan.HughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
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if mexico is the 3rd largest importer of good into the us then why are millions of Mexican citizens sneaking into the US ? maybe if we shut the door Mexico's government will be forced to take care of their own people.0
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it's not an 'IF' question. they are the 3rd largest. that is a fact. here is what we import from Mexico and the amountsMeanMr.Mustard said:if mexico is the 3rd largest importer of good into the us then why are millions of Mexican citizens sneaking into the US ? maybe if we shut the door Mexico's government will be forced to take care of their own people.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-the-u-s-import-from-mexico-a-whole-lot/0 -
Low information question. Please educate yourself.MeanMr.Mustard said:if mexico is the 3rd largest importer of good into the us then why are millions of Mexican citizens sneaking into the US ? maybe if we shut the door Mexico's government will be forced to take care of their own people.
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minimum wage there is less than $5 per DAY, for starters. and that's backbreaking labour.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut down, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, the buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"Post edited by JC29856 on0 -
cost of goods will increase exponentially giving the average american worker less spending income. bad for the economy and worse for the average american. why is this difficult to grasp?JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"0 -
again one sided... what will increase the cost of goods???pjhawks said:
cost of goods will increase exponentially giving the average american worker less spending income. bad for the economy and worse for the average american. why is this difficult to grasp?JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"0 -
yes, they contribute to the economy, but what about the effect of higher wages (and let's be honest, the wage gap between illegal immigrant and legal minimum wage is HUGE) having on the cost of goods and services? you drive up wages, you drive up costs. those costs get passed onto the consumer. I don't know how you are accounting for that fluctuation being negligible.JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
really? "maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages" . that comes straight from your last post. do you really think employers are just going to the eat the cost of a higher payroll? higher wages equals higher prices.JC29856 said:
again one sided... what will increase the cost of goods???pjhawks said:
cost of goods will increase exponentially giving the average american worker less spending income. bad for the economy and worse for the average american. why is this difficult to grasp?JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"
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I wish people would understand this concept when minimum wage discussions begin...HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, they contribute to the economy, but what about the effect of higher wages (and let's be honest, the wage gap between illegal immigrant and legal minimum wage is HUGE) having on the cost of goods and services? you drive up wages, you drive up costs. those costs get passed onto the consumer. I don't know how you are accounting for that fluctuation being negligible.JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"
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and where do profits come in?? I haven't heard that yet..you're correct with increased COGS due to increased wages maybe executive pay and profits will take a hit. under that scenario im glad im not an executive or large shareholder.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, they contribute to the economy, but what about the effect of higher wages (and let's be honest, the wage gap between illegal immigrant and legal minimum wage is HUGE) having on the cost of goods and services? you drive up wages, you drive up costs. those costs get passed onto the consumer. I don't know how you are accounting for that fluctuation.JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"0 -
not a chance that executives or profits take a hit. always always always the consumer pays.JC29856 said:
and where do profits come in?? I haven't heard that yet..you're correct with increased COGS due to increased wages maybe executive pay and profits will take a hit. under that scenario im glad im not an executive or large shareholder.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, they contribute to the economy, but what about the effect of higher wages (and let's be honest, the wage gap between illegal immigrant and legal minimum wage is HUGE) having on the cost of goods and services? you drive up wages, you drive up costs. those costs get passed onto the consumer. I don't know how you are accounting for that fluctuation.JC29856 said:
hire=higherHughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not trying to be one-sided. can you explain what you mean?JC29856 said:
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.
the economy wont come to a halt, unless you really believe all the immigrant jobs and job sectors just disappear. the restaurants will shut, no more fruits and vegetables, houses will be built without roofs and walls, etc etc. maybe the employers will be forced to pay higher (real livable) wages to those unemployed and underemployed and those new wager earners with their new income will consume and lift the entire economy, they buoy effect.
anyway speaking of work... to all, "I think you won, but I enjoyed the fight"Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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