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I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.0 -
bootlegger10 said:
Yep, all the illegal immigrants come over to the USA and pay for health care and school 100% out of pocket.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
We have plenty of poor citizens that need help too and are overlooked.
No need to get zippy. I was asking to see what info people had.bootlegger10 said:
Yep, all the illegal immigrants come over to the USA and pay for health care and school 100% out of pocket.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
We have plenty of poor citizens that need help too and are overlooked.0 -
well it CAN'T be because those we elect to power practice this very thing, can it? NOOOOO, can't be!JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I wonder how many illegals would be here if no one hired them?0
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ah ha... "domestic workers"!HughFreakingDillon said:
well it CAN'T be because those we elect to power practice this very thing, can it? NOOOOO, can't be!JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.0 -
Well, that's a whole lot less that this wall is going to cost.JC29856 said:
Except that $25billion earned USD are remitted back to Mexico annually.PJ_Soul said:
They at least pay sales taxes though, and contribute to the economy by spending that cash. They also create the markets that other businesses profit from.bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
They should lose their businesses. But illegals should also be given a way to work legally before they actually have status (under certain conditions, obviously). It's not like most workers want to be paid less than everyone else. If they could work legitimately, they probably would. The government needs to straighten this chicken/egg issue out.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
When you take their overall contribution to the US economy, absolutely. Especially considering that Trump's wall will cost many, many times that amount.JC29856 said:
according to the report posted above, they pay in about $14 billion fed state and local, lets assume that the report underestimated the illegal immigrant "inflows" and add $7B to put the total at $21B, if they cost $34B then your still in the hole $13B.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
Is $13B an acceptable amount to subsidize illegal immigration?With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I'm pretty sure this is addressed as part of Trump's immigration plan that someone posted a couple pages ago.JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.0 -
Definitely not!HughFreakingDillon said:
well it CAN'T be because those we elect to power practice this very thing, can it? NOOOOO, can't be!JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.It's absolutely amazing to me that Trump voters just willfully ignore the concrete fact that Trump hiimself has purposefully employed illegal workers, lol.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.0
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Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Your summary comes from FAIR. This is a group whose leaders work with white supremacy groups and whose founder expressed wishes that america remain a majority white nation. I suggest you get your information elsewhere.JC29856 said:
here is a nice summaryGo Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
lets for the sake of argument assume that the report is 70% inaccurate or over-estimated....is $34 billion illegal immigration annual costs acceptable?
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I don't remember seeing that. Maybe the 5,000 new federal employees could focus on businesses who hire illegals? I'm sure that's his plan!PJPOWER said:
I'm pretty sure this is addressed as part of Trump's immigration plan that someone posted a couple pages ago.JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.0 -
this man is an embarrassment. By that I mean he is embarrassed about his tiny tiny hands
Trump has picture hanging in the white house photoshopped to make his hand bigger0 -
Ive heard this argument before and I guess you could argue hypocrisy but for profit businesses are for profit, government not so much.PJ_Soul said:
Definitely not!HughFreakingDillon said:
well it CAN'T be because those we elect to power practice this very thing, can it? NOOOOO, can't be!JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.It's absolutely amazing to me that Trump voters just willfully ignore the concrete fact that Trump hiimself has purposefully employed illegal workers, lol.
If a requirement for being president was that you could have never hired an illegal immigrant then most couldn't become president.
Presidential Application Questions
Who cleans your homes? US citizen?
Who cuts your lawns? US citizen?
Who cleans your pools? US citizen?
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Ive already factored in the white supremacist margin of error of 70%? I thought I was being generous at 70%. You have any other data that may have a smaller margin of error?SundaySilence said:
Your summary comes from FAIR. This is a group whose leaders work with white supremacy groups and whose founder expressed wishes that america remain a majority white nation. I suggest you get your information elsewhere.JC29856 said:
here is a nice summaryGo Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
lets for the sake of argument assume that the report is 70% inaccurate or over-estimated....is $34 billion illegal immigration annual costs acceptable?0 -
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Go Beavers said:
I don't remember seeing that. Maybe the 5,000 new federal employees could focus on businesses who hire illegals? I'm sure that's his plan!PJPOWER said:
I'm pretty sure this is addressed as part of Trump's immigration plan that someone posted a couple pages ago.JC29856 said:
I often wonder this myself... go after the employers. I wonder why they never go after the businesses that hire illegals?? Hmm.Go Beavers said:
You mean employers hire illegals? Why isn't this ever a part of the illegal immigration discussion?bootlegger10 said:
I am sure they are all paying their taxes and not getting paid in cash.PJ_Soul said:
I dunno, since they also pay taxes. The fact is, illegal immigrants ultimately help the US economy, and getting rid of them would be absolutely disastrous for the US economy. Funny how that never seems to be a topic of conversation.Go Beavers said:
What expenses for illegal immigrants are taxpayers paying for?bootlegger10 said:Shocking to see that ignoring immigration laws has led to unrest and infighting in the country, and even helped elect Donald Trump.
Better money be spent on a wall or security and funding agencies helping speed up the legal immigration process, than just letting anyone come in the country and paying their expenses.
The left failed to compute that the total disregard of laws like in sanctuary cities would eventually piss some people off.
The USA would be a lot better off if the laws on the books were followed and if they need changing, Congress changed them instead of some executive order that gets reversed every 4 to 8 years.
"9. Turn off the jobs and benefits magnet. Many immigrants come to the U.S. illegally in search of jobs, even though federal law prohibits the employment of illegal immigrants."
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/immigration/0 -
one sided argument ignoring the hire paying wage effectHughFreakingDillon said:
this was going to be my next point. the economy will grind to a halt, if not ignite a monster recession. the main reason all these illegals are employed in the first place is because it is simply not worth it for americans to work those jobs for the wages they pay. if these employers are forced to pay wages that are along legal guidelines, either prices skyrocket, or the business cease to operate; probably both. either way, everyday americans simply will not be able to afford the new prices on housing, clothing, etc, etc. how is trump going to deal with this?PJ_Soul said:
Wouldn't it be horrible if all those workers suddenly disappeared? There aren't anywhere near enough Americans willing to fill them.JC29856 said:Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
probably blame obama.
or maybe the economy will become buoyant, with real wage increases...were all better off when were all better off.Post edited by JC29856 on0
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