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  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


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  • mrussel1
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    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    if interested

    http://www.npr.org/2017/07/10/536505276/trump-russia-probe-raises-debate-over-whether-collusion-is-criminal
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:
    if interested

    http://www.npr.org/2017/07/10/536505276/trump-russia-probe-raises-debate-over-whether-collusion-is-criminal
    It's not about "collusion." It's about conspiracy.
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  • The Juggler
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    So funny how the narrative has changed from "there's no collusion" to "collusion isn't illegal."


    Wonder what it will change to when the next shoe falls?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And obstruction of justice.
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  • JC29856
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    The Juggler said:

    So funny how the narrative has changed from "there's no collusion" to "collusion isn't illegal."


    Wonder what it will change to when the next shoe falls?

    that's not what I'm saying at all...to be clear I'm saying
    Collusion is an agreement to do something illegal. I'm not sure what crime Jr or any Trump associate agreed to or attempted to do/collude with Russia. Maybe Mueller has or will find the crime(s). Conspiracy is a different animal but collusion has been the buzz word thrown around these boards and from the mouth of Harvard law graduate Tim Kaine, not conspiracy to commit.
    Information about a political opponent is not and never will be a CAMPAIGN contribution, in kind or otherwise. Emails from foreign governments or friends of Russia lawyers is not and never will be considered campaign contributions.
  • The Juggler
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    JC29856 said:
    The Juggler said:

    So funny how the narrative has changed from "there's no collusion" to "collusion isn't illegal."


    Wonder what it will change to when the next shoe falls?

    that's not what I'm saying at all...to be clear I'm saying
    Collusion is an agreement to do something illegal. I'm not sure what crime Jr or any Trump associate agreed to or attempted to do/collude with Russia. Maybe Mueller has or will find the crime(s). Conspiracy is a different animal but collusion has been the buzz word thrown around these boards and from the mouth of Harvard law graduate Tim Kaine, not conspiracy to commit.
    Information about a political opponent is not and never will be a CAMPAIGN contribution, in kind or otherwise. Emails from foreign governments or friends of Russia lawyers is not and never will be considered campaign contributions.


    Fella, your asking questions we do not have answers to yet. Give it time. Let it breath.


    Sit back and enjoy the road to impeachment. Your answers will be revealed in due time.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  
    It started in 2008 with "tons of money from Russia pouring in."
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  • Merkin Baller
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    The Juggler said:

    So funny how the narrative has changed from "there's no collusion" to "collusion isn't illegal."


    Wonder what it will change to when the next shoe falls?

    Hysterical to watch them unravel, isn't it?


    https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/884854358705360896

  • JC29856
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    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
    were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,855
    edited July 2017
    lol

    In any other planet, with citizenry who have an average IQ of greater than 45, these things would have thoroughly rendered a politician as completely untrustworthy, to add to the obvious attributes of being completely unqualified and incapable.

    But we will keep making excuses for these people and their actions a little bit longer
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    MayDay10 said:
    lol

    In any other planet, with citizenry who have an average IQ of greater than 45, these things would have thoroughly rendered a politician as completely untrustworthy, to add to the obvious attributes of being completely inexperienced and incapable.

    But we will keep making excuses for these people and their actions a little bit longer

    Until Obama's 4th estate rounds them up and ships them to the FEMA camps.
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  • mrussel1
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    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
    were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
    I don't remember President Ted Kennedy.  I feel like he lost the 80 nomination.  Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.  
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
    were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
    I don't remember President Ted Kennedy.  I feel like he lost the 80 nomination.  Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.  
    I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent.
    If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
    were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
    I don't remember President Ted Kennedy.  I feel like he lost the 80 nomination.  Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.  
    I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent.
    If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
    How is it a precedent?  Was he investigated, prosecuted and acquitted?  Was there an AG investigation that was killed by the Reagan WH?  Was there a Senate investigation?  Did a case go to a high court under a Constitutional challenge that created an actual legal precedent?  Was it even a "case" in the legal sense?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
    were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
    I don't remember President Ted Kennedy.  I feel like he lost the 80 nomination.  Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.  
    I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent.
    If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
    How is it a precedent?  Was he investigated, prosecuted and acquitted?  Was there an AG investigation that was killed by the Reagan WH?  Was there a Senate investigation?  Did a case go to a high court under a Constitutional challenge that created an actual legal precedent?  Was it even a "case" in the legal sense?
    I'm only speaking to the recent Jr revelations with Russian attorney that Kaine said is potentially treasonous. no, pretty much answers all your questions.
    anyway, until tomorrow, appreciate the back and forth today with all involved, helped me get thru a down day. "take care, thankyougoodnight"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    JC29856 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Let's get an actual conservative's perspective:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449376/donald-trump-jr-e-mails-proof-trump-campaign-attempted-collusion-russia?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=french&utm_content=russia-collusion
    Here's a few things left out..

    1. David French seems to want to accentuate "unsuccessfully" in the attempt at collusion. But how do we know it was unsuccessful at this point?  The only info we have re: the result of the meeting is what the attorney and DJT said.  These are not exactly credible sources.

    2. Adam Schiff was on MSNBC this morning and said the intel committee has a lot more information than what is available publicly.  And one would think Mueller has even more.  

    This is likely just the start.  


    Agreed. He's just a bit more reasonable than most partisan hacks on the right.


    I am buckled up and enjoying the ride to impeachment.

    I was too young for Watergate, but this is a helluva lot more interesting.  I know Trump likes drama and ratings...well he's got that!
    were you too young to remember Ted Kennedy Russia and Reagan?
    I don't remember President Ted Kennedy.  I feel like he lost the 80 nomination.  Either way, defending your guy by accusing someone else isn't a very good legal strategy.  
    I'm not defending anyone or accusing anyone and its not strategy but precedent, political legal precedent.
    If when this is all over and the charges are brought, we can compare the two "cases".
    How is it a precedent?  Was he investigated, prosecuted and acquitted?  Was there an AG investigation that was killed by the Reagan WH?  Was there a Senate investigation?  Did a case go to a high court under a Constitutional challenge that created an actual legal precedent?  Was it even a "case" in the legal sense?
    I'm only speaking to the recent Jr revelations with Russian attorney that Kaine said is potentially treasonous. no, pretty much answers all your questions.
    anyway, until tomorrow, appreciate the back and forth today with all involved, helped me get thru a down day. "take care, thankyougoodnight"
    What Kennedy did was damn close to treason too.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,507
    maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.  

    if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?

    or just awesome?
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    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    maybe I'm new to this...but how is this treasonous? using information against your opponent, gathered from whomever, is not treason. treason is going against your own country. this is all, so far, just for personal political gain. unless it can be proven that russia somehow benefited from this exchange directly from the trump admin, which we have seen no evidence of yet, this is just a "gift". however, it does show how much this admin has lied through their stinking teeth this whole time.  

    if hillary's campaign had been offered and received the PTAPE and released it, would that have been considered treason?

    or just awesome?
    If a foreign power provided the tape to the campaign, and the campaign knew the origin and released it (vs going to the FBI with the information), then yes they would be in the exact position DJT sits right now.  

    Whether it's treason or not would be decided by the prosecutor and then jury.  From what we know so far, that's a hyperbolic word I would say.  It's certainly very UnAmerican and probably a violation of campaign finance laws to say the least.  And those are felonies.  

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