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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    Team Trump Treason at its most brilliant brilliance.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/01/29/581478324/paul-manafort-joined-the-trump-campaign-in-a-state-of-despair-and-desperation
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    PTAPE

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/trump-russia-sanctions/index.html
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:

    April 10, 2016

    WALLACE:  Mr. President, when you say what you’ve just said, when Josh Earnest said, as he did -- your spokesman -- in January, the information from the Justice Department is she’s not a target, some people I think are worried whether or not -- the decision whether or not, how to handle the case, will be made on political grounds, not legal grounds.  

    Can you guarantee to the American people, can you direct the Justice Department to say, "Hillary Clinton will be treated -- as the evidence goes, she will not be in any way protected."

    OBAMA:  I can guarantee that.  And I can guarantee that, not because I give Attorney General Lynch a directive, that is institutionally how we have always operated.  

    I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations.  I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations.  We have a strict line, and always have maintained it, previous president.

    WALLACE:  So, just to button this up --

    OBAMA:  I guarantee it.

    WALLACE:  You --

    OBAMA:  I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department, or the FBI, not just in this case, but in any case.

    WALLACE:  And she will be --

    OBAMA:  Full stop.  Period.

    WALLACE:  And she will be treated no different --

    OBAMA:  Guaranteed.  Full stop.  Nobody gets treated differently when it comes to the Justice Department, because nobody is above the law.

    WALLACE:  Even if she ends up as the Democratic nominee?

    OBAMA:  How many times do I have to say it, Chris?  Guaranteed.


    full stop!

    “One more thing: she might be our next president, the last thing you need going in there loaded for bear,” she continued. “You think she’s going to remember or care that it was more DOJ than FBI?”

    If you or I were at the mercy of the FBI, I wonder if they would come "loaded for bear" against us?
     

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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,562
    quoting yourself bc no one is interested in taking your bait anymore?  sad!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:

    April 10, 2016

    WALLACE:  Mr. President, when you say what you’ve just said, when Josh Earnest said, as he did -- your spokesman -- in January, the information from the Justice Department is she’s not a target, some people I think are worried whether or not -- the decision whether or not, how to handle the case, will be made on political grounds, not legal grounds.  

    Can you guarantee to the American people, can you direct the Justice Department to say, "Hillary Clinton will be treated -- as the evidence goes, she will not be in any way protected."

    OBAMA:  I can guarantee that.  And I can guarantee that, not because I give Attorney General Lynch a directive, that is institutionally how we have always operated.  

    I do not talk to the Attorney General about pending investigations.  I do not talk to FBI directors about pending investigations.  We have a strict line, and always have maintained it, previous president.

    WALLACE:  So, just to button this up --

    OBAMA:  I guarantee it.

    WALLACE:  You --

    OBAMA:  I guarantee that there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department, or the FBI, not just in this case, but in any case.

    WALLACE:  And she will be --

    OBAMA:  Full stop.  Period.

    WALLACE:  And she will be treated no different --

    OBAMA:  Guaranteed.  Full stop.  Nobody gets treated differently when it comes to the Justice Department, because nobody is above the law.

    WALLACE:  Even if she ends up as the Democratic nominee?

    OBAMA:  How many times do I have to say it, Chris?  Guaranteed.


    full stop!

    “One more thing: she might be our next president, the last thing you need going in there loaded for bear,” she continued. “You think she’s going to remember or care that it was more DOJ than FBI?”

    If you or I were at the mercy of the FBI, I wonder if they would come "loaded for bear" against us?
     

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,549
    edited January 2018
    CM189191 said:
    quoting yourself bc no one is interested in taking your bait anymore?  sad!

    That there's a triple quote. Rare, indeed.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,413
    CM189191 said:
    quoting yourself bc no one is interested in taking your bait anymore?  sad!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,776
    The Juggler said:
    CM189191 said:
    quoting yourself bc no one is interested in taking your bait anymore?  sad!

    That there's a triple quote. Rare, indeed.
    Ha  Classic...
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
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    any guesses as to who Company A and Company B are in the indictments?

    its been reported those companys are the lobbying firms Mercury and Podesta Group. Interesting that Podesta Group retroactively filed amended FARA forms in Sept and Oct. Those FARA forms were part of the Manafort Gates indictment. I wonder if Manafort and Gates were given the opportunity to make amendments to their filings and if they declined?
    Again when do you think charges will be brought forth on HRC surely she's guilty of a crime no ? 
    As Ive said many times, investigations are dog and pony shows, nothing much ever comes of them. Name the last investigation special or congressional where someone went to jail? There is them and there is us, different rules/laws for them. Perfect example, check the charges and penalties for those that were "caught up" (some journalists) protesting Trumps inauguration then compare them to Manaforts and Gates who earned millions manipulating foreign affairs, lied, evaded taxes and "conspired against the US".
    joe arpaio should be rotting in jail
    exhibit B - good example
    the entire W Bush administration should also be in jail or the hague (coincidentally W has become a darling to Dems now!)
    althou "they" did nail Martha Stewart!
    A nice piece on the new Dem Darling..."W"

    Anyone with even a drop of self-awareness knows that the cuddly wuddly new image Dubya is enjoying in mainstream America is taking Trump hysteria a bridge too far. Even MSNBC stooge Chris Hayes said not long ago that “The Iraq War was worse than anything Donald Trump has done (so far).”

    Yeah, they like to say that. What they never, ever like to do is acknowledge the far more uncomfortable fact that as bad as Trump is, he also still hasn’t done anything as bad as what the Obama administration did to Libya.

    It’s true, though. For all the many, many, many evil things that this administration is guilty of, none of them come anywhere close to the destruction of an entire nation killing tens of thousands of people and creating a failed state where people are now sold as slaves. The destruction of Libya and attempted destruction of Syria that the Obama administration is guilty of have caused far more death and suffering than Trump has at this point in the game.

    So I don’t think it’s accurate to suggest, as Ferrell’s Dubya character does, that Bush’s newfound popularity among Democrats is due solely to comparisons between the current Republican president and the last one. It’s impossible to hold Bush as the horribly evil butcher that he unquestionably was while cheering on his successor for eight years who only continued and expanded those same bloodthirsty agendas. In order to support Obama, you necessarily had to compartmentalize away from the horrors of the Bush administration.

    But I think there’s an even more important factor at play here, and it’s this: Democrats spent 2016 gaslighting themselves into believing that a warmongering neocon who supported the Iraq invasion would make a fantastic president.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/why-democrats-love-bush-now/



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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,562


    http://bsdetector.tech/

    ...do yourself a favor...
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    CM189191 said:


    http://bsdetector.tech/

    ...do yourself a favor...
    put these to the bsdetector and advise results
    http://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/01/31/the-real-reason-democrats-love-bush-now/
    Or medium? https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-real-reason-democrats-love-bush-now-a423db50eceb
    I think she has started a steemit page, you should check it out.

    Are you a fan of W or you just don't like Mrs Johnstone? Any comment on the content of the article written?

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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,413

    3 Russian spy chiefs visited the US days before Trump decided against new sanctions on Russia


    http://www.businessinsider.com/sergei-naryshkin-bortnikov-korobov-visit-us-sanctions-russia-2018-1
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Inspector General released findings appear to net
    FBI Agent Strozok
    FBI or DOJ Attorney Page
    DOJ Deputy Ohr
    Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Ohr (wife of Bruce above, HAM license!)
    FBI Counter-Intel Dir Priestap
    FBI Deputy Dir McCabe

    others that may or may not be netted by IG
    DOJ Attys Weissman, Rhee and Zebley
    Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson

    BIG FISH!
    Lynch
    Yates
    Comey

    #insurancepolicy
    dont look now!
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,562
    edited February 2018
    Post edited by CM189191 on
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Inspector General released findings appear to net
    FBI Agent Strozok
    FBI or DOJ Attorney Page
    DOJ Deputy Ohr
    Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Ohr (wife of Bruce above, HAM license!)
    FBI Counter-Intel Dir Priestap
    FBI Deputy Dir McCabe

    others that may or may not be netted by IG
    DOJ Attys Weissman, Rhee and Zebley
    Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson

    BIG FISH!
    Lynch
    Yates
    Comey

    #insurancepolicy
    dont look now!
    Morel risotto 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,413

    BOB MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION IS LARGER—AND FURTHER ALONG—THAN YOU THINK

    https://www.wired.com/story/bob-muellers-investigation-is-largerand-further-alongthan-you-think/
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    Nothing to see here. Just brilliant headlines fading into the oblivion of brilliancy. Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,413

    Russians penetrated U.S. voter systems, says top U.S. official



    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,414
    Do we know if the prostitues pissed on Trump directly or was he just watching and directing? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    Let us pray

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/politics/russia-delegation-washington-prayer-breakfast/index.html
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,562
    dignin said:

    Russians penetrated U.S. voter systems, says top U.S. official



    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    13 Russians indicted for meddling in US election. What was that again about Russia not meddling in our election? 13 more dots connected. Wonder how many of them will flip and connect the dots to “collusion?”
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,654
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    13 Russians indicted for meddling in US election. What was that again about Russia not meddling in our election? 13 more dots connected. Wonder how many of them will flip and connect the dots to “collusion?”
    Great point but how can Muller get one of the 13 to flip ..
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,562
    House Russia investigation has 'abundance' of evidence against Trump

    Adam Schiff said the panel had seen evidence of collusion with Russia and obstruction by Donald Trump’s campaign and administration that is not yet public

    For those keeping score at home:
    House Russia investigation < Mueller Russia investigation

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/trump-russia-investigation-evidence-collusion-obstruction-adam-schiff
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,562
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    13 Russians indicted for meddling in US election. What was that again about Russia not meddling in our election? 13 more dots connected. Wonder how many of them will flip and connect the dots to “collusion?”
    Great point but how can Muller get one of the 13 to flip ..
    He doesn't need any Russians to flip, that's not likely to happen.  He is just establishing there was a crime involved there.  Once that is done, then he can work on establishing the tRump-Russia connection.  

    Don't forget, indictments were filed today, but the evidence to indict was likely known to Mueller weeks or months ago.  Interesting timing today after news about Gates negotiating a plea deal and finding Bannon spent a couple days being interviewed last week.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    CM189191 said:
    josevolution said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    13 Russians indicted for meddling in US election. What was that again about Russia not meddling in our election? 13 more dots connected. Wonder how many of them will flip and connect the dots to “collusion?”
    Great point but how can Muller get one of the 13 to flip ..
    He doesn't need any Russians to flip, that's not likely to happen.  He is just establishing there was a crime involved there.  Once that is done, then he can work on establishing the tRump-Russia connection.  

    Don't forget, indictments were filed today, but the evidence to indict was likely known to Mueller weeks or months ago.  Interesting timing today after news about Gates negotiating a plea deal and finding Bannon spent a couple days being interviewed last week.  
    Exactly. But I’d hate to be one of those 13, always having to look over your shoulder for US and Interpol law enforcement and Putin associates wanting to take you out for tea. They have an American cooperating witness who pled but Team Mueller would love one of those 13 to come in from the cold. Long winters in Siberia or Phoenix or Miami? Not necessary at this point but it’d be a coup.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,776
    17 indictments to date on the "hoax" and "witch hunt".  That's really unfortunate for the Trump administration and any claims of legitimacy as the president.  The investigation steadily surrounds the White House.. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,413
    Kinda funny to go back a read the first couple of pages in this thread. It seems like 10 years ago.
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,413

    Russia is at war with our democracy. When will we finally start defending it?


    In his first year in office, President Trump incorrectly called Russia’s attack on American democracy a hoax 44 times. He tweeted that “Russia talk is FAKE NEWS put out by the Dems.”

    The indictment document blows up such absurd myths once and for all. It connects names with dates and events, describes Russian-organized real-world rallies that Americans attended, and chronicles stolen identities and nefarious bank transfers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/02/17/russia-is-at-war-with-our-democracy-when-will-we-finally-start-defending-it/?__twitter_impression=true&utm_term=.ef5e2f41c269
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,189
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Special, special, special prosecutor!
    You seem to not understand when special prosecutors are necessary. The DNC is a private organization and they have the capacity to sue Russia if they would like. John Podesta could sue as well but having fallen for a basic phishing scam I am not sure how that would play out. Also I am not certain the DNC and Podesta want to be open to discovery because it might reveal a level of incompetence that they just don't want to admit and/or it might link back to non-secure servers that may have provided backdoor entry to the DNC network. At the moment though there is no evidence that somebody within government colluded to aid Russia or direct Russia in the hack so this doesn't warrant a special prosecutor in any way shape or form. People can shout for one if they would like but it will be like wasting a challenge in the first inning. It will go nowhere and it will reduce the opportunity to call for one later as people will just tune the screamers out. You really should save your phony outrage for something real.
    You seem to think when they are or are not necessary as it suits you and your bias. A special prosecutor could subpoena FBI and CIA documents and interview the players, under oath and behind closed doors and then issue a report making recommendations as to whether charges should be filed. Candidate Trump repeatedly made claims of a "rigged" election, against him no less, openly advocated for and celebrated the hacking of Clinton's and Podesta's emails and then turned around and appointed a "friend" of Putin to be SOS. I'd like to know and the American people deserve to know the following: 1. Was Trump aware the Russians were hacking into the DNC, Clinton's and Podesta's email servers? If so, when did he know it? 2. Was there communication between Trump's campaign team and Russian operatives during the campaign? 3. Do any of Trump's business concerns receive funding/loans from Russian banks or individuals? If so, how much and from where and from whom? 4. Was a deal between Trump and Putin/Russia made for the release of DNC emails and an appointment of a pro-Russia/Russia friendly SOS? 5. Follow the money and let the investigation go where it may. If there is no "there" there, then Trump should have no problem being interviewed under oath, turning over documents and servers and making his inner circle available as well. The DNC and Podesta have already been exposed, claiming an investigation might embarrass them further as grounds for not investigating is ridiculous. This isn't about the DNC, or making Hillary president. This is about an unfriendly foreign power meddling in our democracy and a potential quid pro quo and potential treason. How can Trump take the oath of office if any of what I'd like answers to are true? For someone who was so upset about the annexation of Crimea, you sure don't seem to have a problem with this sudden coziness to Putin, Putin, Putin. There are known knowns. There are known unknowns. And, of course, there are unknown unknowns.
    I guess someone heard my shouts for a special prosecutor, huh BS? 13 indictments later and still connecting dots. Connecting dots is fun!
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