Russia's Influence On The American Election
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Yes, if he was involved then something would have to be done. If he was, that would be treason, would it not? And if it is treason, why have they left Trump in power? I would think, efforts would be made to remove him.mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
Both the US and Russia abused their superpower status plenty since WW2...neither country is innocent and both countries have plenty of war criminals that will never be prosecuted because of their status as a superpowers.
But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.
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AgreedMeltdown99 said:
Yes, if he was involved then something would have to be done. If he was, that would be treason, would it not? And if it is treason, why have they left Trump in power? I would think, efforts would be made to remove him.mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.0 -
my2hands said:
I'm way out of my depth? You're an f'ing Canadian obsessed with American politics and have a Trump avatar... c'mon now poser, you don't really give AF, it's just entertainment to you... you don't add squat here, you just seem to follow me around and make wise ass comments in between nodding in agreement with the echo chamberdignin said:
Exactly. Someone's way out of their depth. They let the cat out of the bag when they bragged about how they ignore mainstream news.The Juggler said:
If you read the actual articles instead of just the headlines, maybe you’d know more. Like how the Stormy Daniels issue is unrelated to the Russia investigation.my2hands said:
I am not listening to any talking heads... I see headlines and I read between the lines... trust me, I dont waste my time listening to paid pundits who say anything to support their teammrussel1 said:
Talking and coordinating are very different. You are using verbs that deliberately downplay a criminal conspiracy. Second, you continue to ignore the multitude of crimes that have been prosecuted. Third, you are listening to talking heads that need something to discuss 24/7. How about letting it play out before you render judgment? That would be novel.my2hands said:
So that's your smoking gun? That's the result of a 2 year investigation? Roger f'ing Stone talking to Wikileaks is it?mrussel1 said:
Well wacky Stone coordinating the release of stolen emails on behalf of the campaign is a criminal conspiracy. The cyber theft is serious. I don't know that Trump will be personally implicated since here doesn't use emails, but members of his campaign would likely be, including Stone. You don't find that appalling and serious?my2hands said:
Tell that to the mainstream media... I'm just reading between the linesThe Juggler said:Report's not even out and people are already making declarations about what's in it. Ha.
If they had evidence of collusion or being compromised, it would have been out long ago and they would have taken him down... instead we have porn stars and whacky Roger Stone talking to Wikileaks... that's it from what I can tell, all the other indictments have nothing to do with Trump or the campaign, or am I missing something?
If that's it, this is all a fail
Ok... coordinating... if that's all you've got, it's a fail and wont effect Trump in the slightest
I'm not ignoring the other prosecutions, they have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, collusion, or being compromised.... so yeah, they mean squat at the end of the day
And let's not forget Manafort was giving detailed polling data to Russian agents. Yeah, nothing to see here, all a giant fail. Let's pack up and go home.
And you can use my name, no need to be a coward when you talk smack
Let me show you how to do it, nice and direct.... do you have a problem with me digning? If so, speak up
That goes for almost ALL of you.... you turn into a bunch of pricks when someone dare not agree or go with the bullshit echo chamber in here... you gang up, you talk shit, and you literally circle that person and try to bully them... been watching it, tried to call you guys out on it, but now it's time to not play so nice... and it's always the same clowns... here's my advice, get off my jock...
Disagree with me respectfully, or keep it moving... otherwise I'm calling your ass out
RESPECTFULLY? Dude you're flying curses all over the effing place ;-)
You chose to ignore my comments above comparing Trump's actions with the AG vs Obama, but yet keep on attacking like Trump is somehow in the right here with his team of felons and impeding an investigation.
Had Obama acted like that with the AG, the right would have been in a firestorm over tampering with an investigation. Like they did, over a five minute meeting on a tarmac.
How about if six Hillary disciples were convicted felons and headed to or in jail?
Dont believe for a second there wouldn't be armed militias looking to physically remove her as$ from the White House.
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Was Trump on the ballot? Was the investigation completed? When it gets completed, if Trump isnt touched, you can expect a massive fucking victory lap by him that will.ladt through November 2020The Juggler said:
In one post, you say all their eggs are in the Russia basket. In another you admit they didn’t run on Russia (which is correct).my2hands said:
She hasnt argued impeachment because they have nothing... which is my whole point I'm trying to make to the Muellerites in heremrussel1 said:
I disagree. Pelosi never argued impeachment and has aggressively kept the caucus in line about it. She remembers the 90s. Democrats won't run on Russia. They didn't at the midterms. The danger right now is the party being painted as too socialist. That's a much graver concern than a weak Mueller report.my2hands said:
He claims victory... is on the ballot in 2020 clean... and has a chance at re-electionHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not buying what you’re selling, sale denied. Okay, say you’re right. So what?my2hands said:
I'm way out of my depth? You're an f'ing Canadian obsessed with American politics and have a Trump avatar... c'mon now poser, you don't really give AF, it's just entertainment to you... you don't add squat here, you just seem to follow me around and make wise ass comments in between nodding in agreement with the echo chamberdignin said:
Exactly. Someone's way out of their depth. They let the cat out of the bag when they bragged about how they ignore mainstream news.The Juggler said:
If you read the actual articles instead of just the headlines, maybe you’d know more. Like how the Stormy Daniels issue is unrelated to the Russia investigation.my2hands said:
I am not listening to any talking heads... I see headlines and I read between the lines... trust me, I dont waste my time listening to paid pundits who say anything to support their teammrussel1 said:
Talking and coordinating are very different. You are using verbs that deliberately downplay a criminal conspiracy. Second, you continue to ignore the multitude of crimes that have been prosecuted. Third, you are listening to talking heads that need something to discuss 24/7. How about letting it play out before you render judgment? That would be novel.my2hands said:
So that's your smoking gun? That's the result of a 2 year investigation? Roger f'ing Stone talking to Wikileaks is it?mrussel1 said:
Well wacky Stone coordinating the release of stolen emails on behalf of the campaign is a criminal conspiracy. The cyber theft is serious. I don't know that Trump will be personally implicated since here doesn't use emails, but members of his campaign would likely be, including Stone. You don't find that appalling and serious?my2hands said:
Tell that to the mainstream media... I'm just reading between the linesThe Juggler said:Report's not even out and people are already making declarations about what's in it. Ha.
If they had evidence of collusion or being compromised, it would have been out long ago and they would have taken him down... instead we have porn stars and whacky Roger Stone talking to Wikileaks... that's it from what I can tell, all the other indictments have nothing to do with Trump or the campaign, or am I missing something?
If that's it, this is all a fail
Ok... coordinating... if that's all you've got, it's a fail and wont effect Trump in the slightest
I'm not ignoring the other prosecutions, they have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, collusion, or being compromised.... so yeah, they mean squat at the end of the day
And let's not forget Manafort was giving detailed polling data to Russian agents. Yeah, nothing to see here, all a giant fail. Let's pack up and go home.
And you can use my name, no need to be a coward when you talk smack
Let me show you how to do it, nice and direct.... do you have a problem with me signing? If so, speak up
That goes for almost ALL of you.... you turn into a bunch of pricks when someone dare not agree or go with the bullshit echo chamber in here... you gang up, you talk shit, and you literally circle that person and try to bully them... been watching it, tried to call you guys out on it, but now it's time to not play so nice... and it's always the same clowns... here's my advice, get off my jock...
Disagree with me respectfully, or keep it moving... otherwise I'm calling your ass out
All the eggs have been put into the Mueller basket, and it's just not going to resonate with the average voter... and will likely energize the GOP heading into the election...
That's what
They didnt run on Russia, because again, they have nothing to run with that on
I agree on the last part, far too many Americans think socialism is evil and dont realize we are almost there any damn way... I have the same concern.... but when the focus for 2 years has been Russia and the Mueller report, and it doesnt deliver, that's a huge fucking problem
You are all over the map, fella.
You're one of the main cheerleaders in here going on and on and on about this report.... pretty sure you've also gleefully waited for impeachment as a result of this investigation..... so I think it's fair to say you personally have a lot of eggs in the Mueller basket, just like the rest of us.... and now you are even starting to hedge your bet on this, because you know my concerns just might be valid
Also........ you voted for W twice........ sooooo, yeah. Talk about being all over the map 🤣0 -
That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!!Meltdown99 said:mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.0 -
Fuck Snowden. He should be in prison.my2hands said:
That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!!Meltdown99 said:mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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$20 says you didn't say that in 2010 about WikileaksHalifax2TheMax said:
Fuck Snowden. He should be in prison.my2hands said:
That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!!Meltdown99 said:mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.0 -
You can't commit treason if it isn't a declared enemy, I don't believe. If Trump personally did it, then definitely high crimes and misdemeanors.Meltdown99 said:
Yes, if he was involved then something would have to be done. If he was, that would be treason, would it not? And if it is treason, why have they left Trump in power? I would think, efforts would be made to remove him.mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
Both the US and Russia abused their superpower status plenty since WW2...neither country is innocent and both countries have plenty of war criminals that will never be prosecuted because of their status as a superpowers.
But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.0 -
.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
The point is not that Russia meddled, as that has happened often in the past as you point out.
The point is that an American candidate publicly invited and encouraged them to attack an American citizen and commit felonies on American soil.
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Why. Seems like you and Russian have a lot in common. The politicians that allow spying on their own citizens should be imprisoned???Halifax2TheMax said:
Fuck Snowden. He should be in prison.my2hands said:
That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!!Meltdown99 said:mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
And then Trump has went out of his way to do absolutely nothing about it.Lerxst1992 said:.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
The point is not that Russia meddled, as that has happened often in the past as you point out.
The point is that an American candidate publicly invited and encouraged them to attack an American citizen and commit felonies on American soil.
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Snowden is a traitor as evidenced by his current residency. My view on him and his deeds haven’t changed.my2hands said:
$20 says you didn't say that in 2010 about WikileaksHalifax2TheMax said:
Fuck Snowden. He should be in prison.my2hands said:
That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!!Meltdown99 said:mrussel1 said:
There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear). The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it. I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.Meltdown99 said:
You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally). It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world. Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power? You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.cincybearcat said:
Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.
But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.
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Do you think this is the only investigation?my2hands said:
Was Trump on the ballot? Was the investigation completed? When it gets completed, if Trump isnt touched, you can expect a massive fucking victory lap by him that will.ladt through November 2020The Juggler said:
In one post, you say all their eggs are in the Russia basket. In another you admit they didn’t run on Russia (which is correct).my2hands said:
She hasnt argued impeachment because they have nothing... which is my whole point I'm trying to make to the Muellerites in heremrussel1 said:
I disagree. Pelosi never argued impeachment and has aggressively kept the caucus in line about it. She remembers the 90s. Democrats won't run on Russia. They didn't at the midterms. The danger right now is the party being painted as too socialist. That's a much graver concern than a weak Mueller report.my2hands said:
He claims victory... is on the ballot in 2020 clean... and has a chance at re-electionHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not buying what you’re selling, sale denied. Okay, say you’re right. So what?my2hands said:
I'm way out of my depth? You're an f'ing Canadian obsessed with American politics and have a Trump avatar... c'mon now poser, you don't really give AF, it's just entertainment to you... you don't add squat here, you just seem to follow me around and make wise ass comments in between nodding in agreement with the echo chamberdignin said:
Exactly. Someone's way out of their depth. They let the cat out of the bag when they bragged about how they ignore mainstream news.The Juggler said:
If you read the actual articles instead of just the headlines, maybe you’d know more. Like how the Stormy Daniels issue is unrelated to the Russia investigation.my2hands said:
I am not listening to any talking heads... I see headlines and I read between the lines... trust me, I dont waste my time listening to paid pundits who say anything to support their teammrussel1 said:
Talking and coordinating are very different. You are using verbs that deliberately downplay a criminal conspiracy. Second, you continue to ignore the multitude of crimes that have been prosecuted. Third, you are listening to talking heads that need something to discuss 24/7. How about letting it play out before you render judgment? That would be novel.my2hands said:
So that's your smoking gun? That's the result of a 2 year investigation? Roger f'ing Stone talking to Wikileaks is it?mrussel1 said:
Well wacky Stone coordinating the release of stolen emails on behalf of the campaign is a criminal conspiracy. The cyber theft is serious. I don't know that Trump will be personally implicated since here doesn't use emails, but members of his campaign would likely be, including Stone. You don't find that appalling and serious?my2hands said:
Tell that to the mainstream media... I'm just reading between the linesThe Juggler said:Report's not even out and people are already making declarations about what's in it. Ha.
If they had evidence of collusion or being compromised, it would have been out long ago and they would have taken him down... instead we have porn stars and whacky Roger Stone talking to Wikileaks... that's it from what I can tell, all the other indictments have nothing to do with Trump or the campaign, or am I missing something?
If that's it, this is all a fail
Ok... coordinating... if that's all you've got, it's a fail and wont effect Trump in the slightest
I'm not ignoring the other prosecutions, they have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, collusion, or being compromised.... so yeah, they mean squat at the end of the day
And let's not forget Manafort was giving detailed polling data to Russian agents. Yeah, nothing to see here, all a giant fail. Let's pack up and go home.
And you can use my name, no need to be a coward when you talk smack
Let me show you how to do it, nice and direct.... do you have a problem with me signing? If so, speak up
That goes for almost ALL of you.... you turn into a bunch of pricks when someone dare not agree or go with the bullshit echo chamber in here... you gang up, you talk shit, and you literally circle that person and try to bully them... been watching it, tried to call you guys out on it, but now it's time to not play so nice... and it's always the same clowns... here's my advice, get off my jock...
Disagree with me respectfully, or keep it moving... otherwise I'm calling your ass out
All the eggs have been put into the Mueller basket, and it's just not going to resonate with the average voter... and will likely energize the GOP heading into the election...
That's what
They didnt run on Russia, because again, they have nothing to run with that on
I agree on the last part, far too many Americans think socialism is evil and dont realize we are almost there any damn way... I have the same concern.... but when the focus for 2 years has been Russia and the Mueller report, and it doesnt deliver, that's a huge fucking problem
You are all over the map, fella.
You're one of the main cheerleaders in here going on and on and on about this report.... pretty sure you've also gleefully waited for impeachment as a result of this investigation..... so I think it's fair to say you personally have a lot of eggs in the Mueller basket, just like the rest of us.... and now you are even starting to hedge your bet on this, because you know my concerns just might be valid
Also........ you voted for W twice........ sooooo, yeah. Talk about being all over the map 🤣
Two years ago I said it would probably be something related to money laundering that would ultimately bring him down. Guess what the SDNY is looking into? Mueller gets the headlines but there’s a reason why people say he has more to worry about with what the SDNY finds.
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After ALL this time it is shocking that people still cannot grasp this very simple point.Lerxst1992 said:.Meltdown99 said:America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8
Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections? The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world. Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets. And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse. Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...
The point is not that Russia meddled, as that has happened often in the past as you point out.
The point is that an American candidate publicly invited and encouraged them to attack an American citizen and commit felonies on American soil.
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Nope. Snowdon fits in here perfectly. But you can start a thread about how he is a traitor. He is far from a traitor. He let you in America know what your crooked government is doing, both democrats and republicans. And you said he was traitor because of his address. Not me.Halifax2TheMax said:
That’s not what I said but nice projection on your part. Resurrect the Snowden thread if you really want to get into it. Or start a new one.Meltdown99 said:Now you are traitor if you are an ex-pat living in Russia...LMFAO.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Riggggght..... more investigations.... that will last until the election.... and likely prove nothingThe Juggler said:
Do you think this is the only investigation?my2hands said:
Was Trump on the ballot? Was the investigation completed? When it gets completed, if Trump isnt touched, you can expect a massive fucking victory lap by him that will.ladt through November 2020The Juggler said:
In one post, you say all their eggs are in the Russia basket. In another you admit they didn’t run on Russia (which is correct).my2hands said:
She hasnt argued impeachment because they have nothing... which is my whole point I'm trying to make to the Muellerites in heremrussel1 said:
I disagree. Pelosi never argued impeachment and has aggressively kept the caucus in line about it. She remembers the 90s. Democrats won't run on Russia. They didn't at the midterms. The danger right now is the party being painted as too socialist. That's a much graver concern than a weak Mueller report.my2hands said:
He claims victory... is on the ballot in 2020 clean... and has a chance at re-electionHalifax2TheMax said:
I’m not buying what you’re selling, sale denied. Okay, say you’re right. So what?my2hands said:
I'm way out of my depth? You're an f'ing Canadian obsessed with American politics and have a Trump avatar... c'mon now poser, you don't really give AF, it's just entertainment to you... you don't add squat here, you just seem to follow me around and make wise ass comments in between nodding in agreement with the echo chamberdignin said:
Exactly. Someone's way out of their depth. They let the cat out of the bag when they bragged about how they ignore mainstream news.The Juggler said:
If you read the actual articles instead of just the headlines, maybe you’d know more. Like how the Stormy Daniels issue is unrelated to the Russia investigation.my2hands said:
I am not listening to any talking heads... I see headlines and I read between the lines... trust me, I dont waste my time listening to paid pundits who say anything to support their teammrussel1 said:
Talking and coordinating are very different. You are using verbs that deliberately downplay a criminal conspiracy. Second, you continue to ignore the multitude of crimes that have been prosecuted. Third, you are listening to talking heads that need something to discuss 24/7. How about letting it play out before you render judgment? That would be novel.my2hands said:
So that's your smoking gun? That's the result of a 2 year investigation? Roger f'ing Stone talking to Wikileaks is it?mrussel1 said:
Well wacky Stone coordinating the release of stolen emails on behalf of the campaign is a criminal conspiracy. The cyber theft is serious. I don't know that Trump will be personally implicated since here doesn't use emails, but members of his campaign would likely be, including Stone. You don't find that appalling and serious?my2hands said:
Tell that to the mainstream media... I'm just reading between the linesThe Juggler said:Report's not even out and people are already making declarations about what's in it. Ha.
If they had evidence of collusion or being compromised, it would have been out long ago and they would have taken him down... instead we have porn stars and whacky Roger Stone talking to Wikileaks... that's it from what I can tell, all the other indictments have nothing to do with Trump or the campaign, or am I missing something?
If that's it, this is all a fail
Ok... coordinating... if that's all you've got, it's a fail and wont effect Trump in the slightest
I'm not ignoring the other prosecutions, they have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, collusion, or being compromised.... so yeah, they mean squat at the end of the day
And let's not forget Manafort was giving detailed polling data to Russian agents. Yeah, nothing to see here, all a giant fail. Let's pack up and go home.
And you can use my name, no need to be a coward when you talk smack
Let me show you how to do it, nice and direct.... do you have a problem with me signing? If so, speak up
That goes for almost ALL of you.... you turn into a bunch of pricks when someone dare not agree or go with the bullshit echo chamber in here... you gang up, you talk shit, and you literally circle that person and try to bully them... been watching it, tried to call you guys out on it, but now it's time to not play so nice... and it's always the same clowns... here's my advice, get off my jock...
Disagree with me respectfully, or keep it moving... otherwise I'm calling your ass out
All the eggs have been put into the Mueller basket, and it's just not going to resonate with the average voter... and will likely energize the GOP heading into the election...
That's what
They didnt run on Russia, because again, they have nothing to run with that on
I agree on the last part, far too many Americans think socialism is evil and dont realize we are almost there any damn way... I have the same concern.... but when the focus for 2 years has been Russia and the Mueller report, and it doesnt deliver, that's a huge fucking problem
You are all over the map, fella.
You're one of the main cheerleaders in here going on and on and on about this report.... pretty sure you've also gleefully waited for impeachment as a result of this investigation..... so I think it's fair to say you personally have a lot of eggs in the Mueller basket, just like the rest of us.... and now you are even starting to hedge your bet on this, because you know my concerns just might be valid
Also........ you voted for W twice........ sooooo, yeah. Talk about being all over the map 🤣
Two years ago I said it would probably be something related to money laundering that would ultimately bring him down. Guess what the SDNY is looking into? Mueller gets the headlines but there’s a reason why people say he has more to worry about with what the SDNY finds.
Read the articles, not just the headlines.
So you've assumed the past two years that the Russia investigation wouldn't show he colluded and compromised, and that it wouldn't bring him down.
What is it... is he a stooge for Putin, or just a crooked business guy?
You're hedging your bet
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How does Snowden fit in perfectly with, “Russia’s Influence on the American Election?”Meltdown99 said:
Nope. Snowdon fits in here perfectly. But you can start a thread about how he is a traitor. He is far from a traitor. He let you in America know what your crooked government is doing, both democrats and republicans. And you said he was traitor because of his address. Not me.Halifax2TheMax said:
That’s not what I said but nice projection on your part. Resurrect the Snowden thread if you really want to get into it. Or start a new one.Meltdown99 said:Now you are traitor if you are an ex-pat living in Russia...LMFAO.
He’s a traitor for violating the Espionage Act and fleeing to Moscow. There, feel better?
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No, he is not...he is a hero for letting the world know your country spies on its own citizens as well as your allies...Halifax2TheMax said:
How does Snowden fit in perfectly with, “Russia’s Influence on the American Election?”Meltdown99 said:
Nope. Snowdon fits in here perfectly. But you can start a thread about how he is a traitor. He is far from a traitor. He let you in America know what your crooked government is doing, both democrats and republicans. And you said he was traitor because of his address. Not me.Halifax2TheMax said:
That’s not what I said but nice projection on your part. Resurrect the Snowden thread if you really want to get into it. Or start a new one.Meltdown99 said:Now you are traitor if you are an ex-pat living in Russia...LMFAO.
He’s a traitor for violating the Espionage Act and fleeing to Moscow. There, feel better?
Is everybody a traitor you disagree with.
Just because your crooked government passes a law, does not mean it's a just law...
Example...A perfectly harmless plant is still considered illegal, an unjust law and you have many more unjust laws.
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