Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited February 2019
    my2hands said:
    And has just about a 45% approval rating...

    Obama 3rd year ranged from 40-46 throughout the year............
    Oh boy. Based on your analysis of the midterms and also of the 2016 election, polling is not your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is but it's definitely not polling.

    He's currently sitting at a 42.6 average on 538. Obama was at 47.7 this time in his term. In Obama's third year, he ranged from where Trump is at now (Obama's bottom/one of Trump's best in a long while to 51%). 

    Only two president's in history have had a lower approval rating than Trump at this point in their terms (and again--this is after Trump's numbers have come up quite a bit since he shut the government down over nothing).

    The thing every other president, including Obama, have in common that Trump doesn't? They've all enjoyed ceiling's over 60%. Do you know what Trump's ceiling is, ye of all polling knowledge? 47.8%- the day after he was inaugurated and, interestingly, right about where Obama was at this point in his term---the day you chose to compare his numbers with Trump. Yes, that number is embarrassingly low and bodes horribly for a recumbent running for re-election (if he's able to be on the ballot).

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo






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  • my2hands
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    The Juggler said:
    my2hands said:
    And has just about a 45% approval rating...

    Obama 3rd year ranged from 40-46 throughout the year............
    Oh boy. Based on your analysis of the midterms and also of the 2016 election, polling is not your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is but it's definitely not polling.

    He's currently sitting at a 42.6 average on 538. Obama was at 47.7 this time in his term. In Obama's third year, he ranged from where Trump is at now (Obama's bottom/one of Trump's best in a long while to 51%). So........no. 40-46 is not even close.

    Only two president's in history have had a lower approval rating than Trump at this point in their terms (and again--this is after Trump's numbers have come up quite a bit since he shut the government down over nothing).

    The thing every other president, including Obama, have in common that Trump doesn't? They've all enjoyed ceiling's over 60%. Do you know what Trump's ceiling is, ye of all polling knowledge? 47.8%- the day after he was inaugurated. Yes, that number is embarrassingly low and bodes horribly for a recumbent running for re-election (if he's able to be on the ballot).

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo






    edit--I was gonna put some things in bold and then I just thought: "Hey Juggler---just go for it! BOLD EVERYTHING! MAKE A SPLASH! Felt good)

    @Kat


    this is the culture of passive aggressiveness, condescension, and dismissiveness being allowed here, as long as it's anti-trump....


    i'm going to point this out each and every time

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,934
    cincybearcat said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    .cincybearcat said:
    dignin said:
    Wow. Trying to get another thread locked again.

    We get it, your feelings got hurt. Pick yourselves up, dust yourselves off.

    And if you can't, it's probably time to move on.
    Honest question - who still posts here very often that is even a little right of center. It’s a pretty short list and seems to be getting shorter 

    On the topic that got locked, there was alot of anti Mueller swagger. It did not seem left of center to me . I  meant no disrespect by the term righty. I've certainly been called worse on conservative leaning forums :)

    In light of this "witch hunt swagger," I was honestly interested in the opinions of Trump influencing the investigation by replacing the AG (if that were Obama) and also the anger expressed by the judges that have seen the actual unredacted court filings.
    They people you are calling anti-mueller are certainly not righty.  This is the problem. If you don’t think muellers reports are going to bring trump down...you are a righty. If you don’t get all up in a hissy fit whenever the president has toilet paper on his shoe, you are a trump supporter. 

    “Witch Hunt swagger” what are you talking about? Perhaps you should read that thread more clearly...if in fact you were talking about the recent posts. Perhaps you were referring to older posts by rolemodels? 


    I guessed the wrong topic. It was actually in this one. I think this is the comment that started it off:

    "I'm not ignoring the other prosecutions, they have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, collusion, or being compromised.."

    The Cohen investigation has nothing to do with Trump? Manafort's ties to pro Russian Ukrainian interests have nothing to do with Trump?

    It seemed a tiny bit of a biased comment.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,934
    edited February 2019
    Lets say it straight.

    A Russian military agent flew on an oligarch's private jet to obtain a 1.1 million terrabyte file on voter demographic data from Donald Trump's campaign manager in august 2016  and there is a firestorm now since Barr was sworn in that there is no collusion.

    Maybe one will not be prosecuted given the new AG but facts are facts.



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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Lets say it straight.

    A Russian military agent flew on an oligarch's private jet to obtain a 1.1 million terrabyte file on voter demographic data from Donald Trump's campaign manager in august 2016  and there is a firestorm now since Barr was sworn in that there is no collusion.

    Maybe one will not be prosecuted given the new AG but facts are facts.



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  • Bentleyspop
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Lets say it straight.

    A Russian military agent flew on an oligarch's private jet to obtain a 1.1 million terrabyte file on voter demographic data from Donald Trump's campaign manager in august 2016  and there is a firestorm now since Barr was sworn in that there is no collusion.

    Maybe one will not be prosecuted given the new AG but facts are facts.



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    Facts lost all relevance a while ago. See Trump, Eric; Faux & Friends; Treason, Team Trump.
    Everyone knows that facts along with believable, provable,  and verifiable evidence all have a liberal bias. 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2019

    ok, i'll waste my time.....

    I said he was at about 45%.... you point out he is at about 43%............. really? got nothing better to do? what's the range of error on polling? for the record he is at 43.2 with likely voters

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

    I said Obama was 40-46 in year 3... Gallup average shows Obama average approval rating as follows... Quarter 9  46.7%.... Quarter 10  46.8%... Quarter 11 41%... Quarter 12  43.3%............... sooooooooo, yeah..... go lecture Gallup........ (side note - Obama was in the mid 40's pretty much all of 2012 leading up to the election)

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/178736/obama-job-approval-averages-23rd-quarter.aspx

    don't care about ceilings.... I am well aware Trump isn't very popular, thanks for the breaking news lol.......... but guess what my friend, he was never popular and was BEHIND ALL THE POLLS IN 2016....... AND WON...... remember that, ye poll master? lol

    also.... his numbers are certainly not good.... but they are very stable, which could be a potential problem..... also, after the honeymoon period, Obamas numbers were in the 40's for most of his Presidency... keep in mind these numbers are without an opponent, and I think Trump thrives with an opponent... so I tread with caution into 2020, while you show the same dismissive hubris you did in 2016

    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/245567/trump-approval-stable-approval-prior-presidents.aspx


    now are we talking about Matt Forte, Kia Forte, or my forte in the bedroom? :) 


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    my2hands said:
    my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
    So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?
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  • Meltdown99
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    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    oftenreading said:
    Also, I don't think I'm the only one who finds it distasteful that we are apparently supposed to be sorted by nationality when we post. 
    Yes, extremely distasteful indeed. And insulting. And dismissive. And ignorant.
    To be Canadian? 
    Some Canadians take Trump being elected like he was elected PM of Canada from what I gather...


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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
    So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?


    i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....  

    by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent

    as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks  

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
    So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?


    i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....  

    by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent

    as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks  


    "He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6. 

    And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit. 
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2019
    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
    So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?


    i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....  

    by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent

    as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks  


    "He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6. 

    And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit. 


    @Kat

    now i'm a child? lol..... this is the circling and badgering that gets allowed here.... and this is a main culprit..... this had nothing to do with this poster, and my post had nothing to do with this poster... i asked nicely to not engage with me.... but of course the poking continues

    thanks

     

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    It'd be great if this thread wasn't closed too.  
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    oftenreading said:
    my2hands said:
    my forte is to try and not be a smug jerk, and to be respectful with those I might disagree with...
    So will you be flagging yourself when you call others rude, arrogant jerks and arrogant pricks, or is that subsumed within respectful behaviour, as long as it's yours?


    i'm not some wallflower that is just going to be talked to a certain way, i believe anytime I have gotten out of line is in retort.....  

    by the way, this doesn't involve you so please feel free to stop stirring the pot.... because you're right in there on this issue, though you like to try and act innocent

    as a matter of fact, i would appreciate it if you just didn't engage me at all... thanks  


    "He started it" doesn't look good for anyone older than 6. 

    And by "stirring the pot", you mean I'm one of those that regularly disagrees with you? Yes, I am; I disagree with many, though not all, of what you post on here. I feel free to continue to do so; you can feel free to continue to respond as you see fit. 


    @Kat

    now i'm a child? lol..... this is the circling and badgering that gets allowed here.... and this is a main culprit..... this had nothing to do with this poster, and my post had nothing to do with this poster... i asked nicely to not engage with me.... but of course the poking continues

    thanks

     

    I feel comfortable that Kat will not find much to object to in my post, but if she does I’m happy to hear from her about it. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    It'd be great if this thread wasn't closed too.  
    Maybe all the trump threads should be closed for a while.  I am a member of a few other sites that use to allow political discussion threads, they have completely banned political discussion because sometimes the threads get personal, and that is human nature I guess.  
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    mrussel1 said:
    It'd be great if this thread wasn't closed too.  


    wont be because of me...


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    my2hands said:
    The Juggler said:
    my2hands said:
    And has just about a 45% approval rating...

    Obama 3rd year ranged from 40-46 throughout the year............
    Oh boy. Based on your analysis of the midterms and also of the 2016 election, polling is not your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is but it's definitely not polling.

    He's currently sitting at a 42.6 average on 538. Obama was at 47.7 this time in his term. In Obama's third year, he ranged from where Trump is at now (Obama's bottom/one of Trump's best in a long while to 51%). So........no. 40-46 is not even close.

    Only two president's in history have had a lower approval rating than Trump at this point in their terms (and again--this is after Trump's numbers have come up quite a bit since he shut the government down over nothing).

    The thing every other president, including Obama, have in common that Trump doesn't? They've all enjoyed ceiling's over 60%. Do you know what Trump's ceiling is, ye of all polling knowledge? 47.8%- the day after he was inaugurated. Yes, that number is embarrassingly low and bodes horribly for a recumbent running for re-election (if he's able to be on the ballot).

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo






    edit--I was gonna put some things in bold and then I just thought: "Hey Juggler---just go for it! BOLD EVERYTHING! MAKE A SPLASH! Felt good)

    @Kat


    this is the culture of passive aggressiveness, condescension, and dismissiveness being allowed here, as long as it's anti-trump....


    i'm going to point this out each and every time

    Wow. So I hurt your feelings and you go crying to the moderators? Is this a joke?

    Your numbers are wrong. I called you out on them. 

    You need to grow up. 
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  • The Juggler
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    my2hands said:
    mrussel1 said:
    It'd be great if this thread wasn't closed too.  


    wont be because of me...


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    Missions from God include whining to forum moderators when you're losing an argument?

    Good god this country is doomed. 
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