pipe bomb explodes at military race in new jersey and now a bomb explodes in nyc

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

mcgruff10

Nicely put thirty. You should use that in class tomorrow.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

I'll say fundamentalist thought is the problem, and it manifests in varying religions. That's the common denominator in all terrorism, not a particular religion. We go down the wrong path when the first thing we try to find out is what religion the terrorist is.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Sorry, that makes no sense. You're not talking about the same argument at all.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Sorry, that makes no sense. You're not talking about the same argument at all.

No disrespect but how stubborn are you in real life? Lol

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Sorry, that makes no sense. You're not talking about the same argument at all.

No disrespect but how stubborn are you in real life? Lol

I actually do find that offensive and disrespectful.

I am not being stubborn. What he said doesn't work. Those aren't the same arguments. Not comparable because one is about a ton of deaths and what kills you while one is about how justified people's fears are.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Sorry, that makes no sense. You're not talking about the same argument at all.

No disrespect but how stubborn are you in real life? Lol

I actually do find that offensive and disrespectful.

I am not being stubborn. What he said doesn't work. Those aren't the same arguments. Not comparable because one is about a ton of deaths and what kills you while one is about how justified people's fears are.

so comparing deaths between kitchen appliances and terrorists is ok but deaths by guns and cars is not ok? right.

I think you'd have a completely different opinion about terrorism and fear from it if you lived in the north east since this impacts us on a daily basis.

unsung

Theyку

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

You might be coming around, albeit slowly.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Sorry, that makes no sense. You're not talking about the same argument at all.

Seriously?

I'm not going to try and explain it to you. I already framed it as simply as it could be.

Belittle it all you want... but it makes perfect sense.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

I'll say fundamentalist thought is the problem, and it manifests in varying religions. That's the common denominator in all terrorism, not a particular religion. We go down the wrong path when the first thing we try to find out is what religion the terrorist is.

I'm really struggling to know what it is you are trying to say.

Are you suggesting that we ignore all background variables and focus strictly on the events that befall us? In other words... treat every pressure cooker or pipe bomb as a unique and singular event and ignore the growing mountain of work that seems to have defined a clear cut opponent?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Theyку

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

You might be coming around, albeit slowly.

Lol.

Just calling them as I see them!

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

You know what's a bigger threat to this country than terrorists? Heroin and opioids, yet how often do we talk about them. How many of us know someone impacted by pills or heroin? How many of us know someone impacted by terrorism?

Stop being a bunch of pansies afraid of dark people

While 9/11 did indeed impact a whole lot of people, since then, more Americans are killed by kitchen appliances every year than they are by terrorist attacks.

Then how can you so easily dismiss gun lovers when they present to you the 'death by cars' argument when downplaying the national gun threat? You've just employed the same tactic to suit your needs.

Sorry, that makes no sense. You're not talking about the same argument at all.

No disrespect but how stubborn are you in real life? Lol

I actually do find that offensive and disrespectful.

I am not being stubborn. What he said doesn't work. Those aren't the same arguments. Not comparable because one is about a ton of deaths and what kills you while one is about how justified people's fears are.

so comparing deaths between kitchen appliances and terrorists is ok but deaths by guns and cars is not ok? right.

I think you'd have a completely different opinion about terrorism and fear from it if you lived in the north east since this impacts us on a daily basis.

No. Okay, so it's like this:

One argument is about how guns shouldn't be further regulated even though tons of death and violence are linked to guns because more people die in car accidents, while cars are more regulated, and also serve a practical purpose that outweighs the risks.

The other argument is that people are overly fearful of terrorists given that more people die of even kitchen appliance accidents than they do of terrorist attacks.

Sorry, if you think someone mist agree with both arguments or disagree with both arguments, that is your guys' problem, not mine, because that makes no sense.

PJPOWER

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

I'll say fundamentalist thought is the problem, and it manifests in varying religions. That's the common denominator in all terrorism, not a particular religion. We go down the wrong path when the first thing we try to find out is what religion the terrorist is.

So are there fundamentally non-violent religions and fundamentally violent religions? What would a fundamentally non-violent religion be and vise versa? People skew all kinds of stuff when it comes to religion to meet agendas or a number of things, but some may actually be fundamentally violent.

josevolution

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

Great points all around ...

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

I'll say fundamentalist thought is the problem, and it manifests in varying religions. That's the common denominator in all terrorism, not a particular religion. We go down the wrong path when the first thing we try to find out is what religion the terrorist is.

I'm really struggling to know what it is you are trying to say.

Are you suggesting that we ignore all background variables and focus strictly on the events that befall us? In other words... treat every pressure cooker or pipe bomb as a unique and singular event and ignore the growing mountain of work that seems to have defined a clear cut opponent?

You're mixing public response vs. criminal investigation. I don't think Homeland Security has over a billion suspects on their list, and neither should the public. Again, the threat is fundamentalist thinking, but people want to grasp on to an enemy based on the path of ignorance, so now "Muslim Extremists" are the enemy. The thing is, people don't really know what that is, and many think nearly all Muslims are extremists. So therefore, the Muslim religion has now become a problem, so people want to combat a religion, and not the reasons that lead someone who adopts fundamentalist thinking to commit violence. Leaders will then take advantage of this and adopt it to their platform to manipulate people into voting for them (e.g. Trump). I don't want a president that will give direction to the military, CIA, FBI, and homeland security that comes from a place of ignorance.

Jason P

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

I'll say fundamentalist thought is the problem, and it manifests in varying religions. That's the common denominator in all terrorism, not a particular religion. We go down the wrong path when the first thing we try to find out is what religion the terrorist is.

I'm really struggling to know what it is you are trying to say.

Are you suggesting that we ignore all background variables and focus strictly on the events that befall us? In other words... treat every pressure cooker or pipe bomb as a unique and singular event and ignore the growing mountain of work that seems to have defined a clear cut opponent?

You're mixing public response vs. criminal investigation. I don't think Homeland Security has over a billion suspects on their list, and neither should the public. Again, the threat is fundamentalist thinking, but people want to grasp on to an enemy based on the path of ignorance, so now "Muslim Extremists" are the enemy. The thing is, people don't really know what that is, and many think nearly all Muslims are extremists. So therefore, the Muslim religion has now become a problem, so people want to combat a religion, and not the reasons that lead someone who adopts fundamentalist thinking to commit violence. Leaders will then take advantage of this and adopt it to their platform to manipulate people into voting for them (e.g. Trump). I don't want a president that will give direction to the military, CIA, FBI, and homeland security that comes from a place of ignorance.

How hard did you have your fingers crossed that dumb white Christians were behind this?

But they were not. And if they were you would shout down from the heavens denouncing them and admonishing them. And I would as well! The last thing I would do would be to deflect the current obvious problem.

Degeneratefk

mcgruff10 said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

dylan roof was a murderer, white supremacist and neo nazi.
bob doggart didn't kill anyone
rober lewis dear was legit crazy: The judge ordered a mental competency evaluation to assess whether Dear is sufficiently competent to exercise his right to do so. Following subsequent evaluations that determined Dear to be delusional, the judge in the case ruled in May 2016 that Dear was incompetent to stand trial and ordered him indefinitely confined to a Colorado state mental hospital.

The Hutaree Christina militia is domestic terrorism plain and simple.

christianity is not at war with us, a section of the muslim religion is. religion of peace my ass.

White supremacy is a belief based on Christianity. Almost every single abortion clinic that has been bombed or attacked has been a result of Christian terrorism. There have been more abortion clinics bombed in this country than there has been "radical muslin terrorism"

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers...

I'm not talking about individuals, their backgrounds, and their involvement with terrorist groups when I refer to 'background variables'.

I am talking about ignoring the body of work ISIS is generating before identifying them and all the characteristics about them that distinguish them for what they are.

It seems as if every time these losers blow people up, as someone said earlier 'drill holes in people's heads', or throw gays off of towers... people feel the need to rush to the defence of Islam so that it doesn't meet scorn.

Each new event is not unique. It is another attack in the long line of many by a group that is evil beyond description and religious at its roots.

Degeneratefk

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Degeneratefk said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?

when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?

Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia

No.

It's easy to identify extreme Islamic bombings of public places as terrorism (no battle field just soft targets) and attribute the acts as religiously motivated (because they tell us they are religiously motivated- usually right in the moment).

If black churchgoers are routinely targeted and a pattern is clearly established... we can call such a scenario as terrorism or even war for that matter. But a 'one off' makes it look no different than Holmes or Lanza- and nobody called those acts terrorism either without being labelled 'selective' for their use of the word.

But what are we arguing about here? What's with the deflection tactics and the defensive posturing? Brainwashed Islamic shitheads are wreaking havoc in countries where there numbers are significant... and in countries where their populace is in the minority... they lurk in the dark- plotting against the enemy of their book. Are people denying this?

Yes. The majority of Muslim people are peaceful. Good for them. Way to not be violent. However, there is a legitimate faction that is insistent on extreme violence and it's not going away. The challenge in dealing with these people while trying to be respectful for other people of the same faith is daunting. I have no answers, but I'm not in denial either: extreme Islam is a problem. And not just for Christians, Buddhists and atheists... but for Muslims too.

I'll say fundamentalist thought is the problem, and it manifests in varying religions. That's the common denominator in all terrorism, not a particular religion. We go down the wrong path when the first thing we try to find out is what religion the terrorist is.

So are there fundamentally non-violent religions and fundamentally violent religions? What would a fundamentally non-violent religion be and vise versa? People skew all kinds of stuff when it comes to religion to meet agendas or a number of things, but some may actually be fundamentally violent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDlxCvFZWw