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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Here's an idea, the west should give this a try ... get the fuck out of the Middle East ... especially quit buying there oil.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    edited September 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    benjs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    I agree with this. Most modern terrorist acts in this part of the world are at the hands of radicalized Islamic extremists. That does not mean that I think that most Muslims are terrorists by any stretch, nor that all Muslims should suffer restrictions because of radicalized Islamic extremists. It means I can extrapolate highly likely scenarios when there's enough data to suggest a recurrence. That being said, I don't think mcgruff10 was being serious (but he/she can correct me if I'm mistaken).
    No, I think McGruff10 was joking about some earlier comments in the thread.

    I just wonder about people who don't want to accept the problem. People that think Christian extremists are a problem compared to Islamic extremists. One side holds inappropriate signs up a funerals and the other chops peoples' heads off and burns people alive. There is no comparison, but this politically correct brainwashing forces them to rationalize one set of deplorable behavior with other behavior that is not even remotely as bad.
    So when Christian extremists kill in the name of God, what do you call it?
    What are some recent examples of Christian extremists killing people? You are going to need a lot more than four or 5 in the last 10 years to remotely come closer to making this a real argument.
    And that's the narrative. White terrorism is put into a different sub category of crime, rather than terrorism. Terrorism with a capital T is much more scary, and of course, they have dark skin. White supremacist groups are discounted as freaky-fringe, and Christians who kill doctors are labelled 'crazy'.

    Whenever I make this point, people want to argue numbers. It's understandable, but to me that seems like a way to maintain the narrative and make things digestible.
    You didn't say "white", you said "Christian". There is a big difference. Every race kills each other in domestic disputes, due to tempers, during crime, and mental illness, but at the moment only one group is killing in the name of their religion.

    You can try to equate someone killing one abortion doctor to Muslim extremism, but that would be silly. Even though you say numbers don't matter, they actually do. So if 1 out of 200 million Christians in the USA kills an abortion doctor, then we do say that person is crazy. But if 200,000 out of 200 million Muslims is extremist, then that is more than "crazy".
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2016
    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    And I'm sure that those billions of good people would rather these asshats not use the words that they use to praise their diety while committing these deplorable crimes. I have no reason to directly quote them and hope they enjoy their tax payer funded prison snack bar.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    bootlegger10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    benjs said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    I agree with this. Most modern terrorist acts in this part of the world are at the hands of radicalized Islamic extremists. That does not mean that I think that most Muslims are terrorists by any stretch, nor that all Muslims should suffer restrictions because of radicalized Islamic extremists. It means I can extrapolate highly likely scenarios when there's enough data to suggest a recurrence. That being said, I don't think mcgruff10 was being serious (but he/she can correct me if I'm mistaken).
    No, I think McGruff10 was joking about some earlier comments in the thread.

    I just wonder about people who don't want to accept the problem. People that think Christian extremists are a problem compared to Islamic extremists. One side holds inappropriate signs up a funerals and the other chops peoples' heads off and burns people alive. There is no comparison, but this politically correct brainwashing forces them to rationalize one set of deplorable behavior with other behavior that is not even remotely as bad.
    So when Christian extremists kill in the name of God, what do you call it?
    What are some recent examples of Christian extremists killing people? You are going to need a lot more than four or 5 in the last 10 years to remotely come closer to making this a real argument.
    And that's the narrative. White terrorism is put into a different sub category of crime, rather than terrorism. Terrorism with a capital T is much more scary, and of course, they have dark skin. White supremacist groups are discounted as freaky-fringe, and Christians who kill doctors are labelled 'crazy'.

    Whenever I make this point, people want to argue numbers. It's understandable, but to me that seems like a way to maintain the narrative and make things digestible.
    You didn't say "white", you said "Christian". There is a big difference. Every race kills each other in domestic disputes, due to tempers, during crime, and mental illness, but at the moment only one group is killing in the name of their religion.
    Christians also kill in the name of their religion. My point is, when they do, other reasons are sought outside of Christianity. This is why you think "only one group is killing in the name of their religion".
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Degeneratefk said:

    Godfather. said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    unsung said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    unsung said:

    Just as long as you guys agree to do that at the next shooting and don't immediately call for ar15 bans.

    That has nothing to do with waiting g for an investigation.
    I waited. 20 year old Somali that asked the victims if they were Muslim prior to stabbing at least one. Shot dead by someone who was concealed carry. Hero. I'll be armed everywhere I go thankyouverymuch.
    Ok, I thought this was a thread about the explosions in new York. If you need to bring up the stabbings in minnesota, that's fine, just has no relevance here. And it wasn't just a plain citizen with a concealed weapons permit. It was an off duty police officer. Makes a difference. Because my point about all of you CWP people is that when shit hits the fan, most of you would run and hide, not point and shoot.
    .........? you haven't any idea how to handle this situation emotionally do you ? if you think this is the first thread to branch off in RELATED other directions then maybe you've lost count (understandable, there are soooo many)

    Godfather.
    Gern Blansten said:

    Godfather. said:

    muslim radicals' ? I'd bet on it....probably just the that "small percentage" of immigrants. I have to call it like I see it and this is just
    too common to be called a "coincidence" everybody thinks it but are afraid to say it.

    Godfather.

    or....not an immigrant at all. Someone who was born here.
    sorry about that....."a small percentage of muslim immigrants who give birth to little terrorist" they blow up so fast ! hahahhahahahahah a little humor for Monday morning.

    Godfather.

    What?
    bad humor.....pardon me.

    Godfather.

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists, self proclaimed Muslims with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive while yelling "God is greater". What am I missing?
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
  • unsung
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    lukin2006 said:

    Here's an idea, the west should give this a try ... get the fuck out of the Middle East ... especially quit buying there oil.

    Agreed.

    I'd quit importing it (the middle east) as well.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    Isn't each of us buying their oil at the pump?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,145
    edited September 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
    I"m sorry. but can you provide an example of:
    A: a "white guy" using a pipe bomb here in the united states (I said Atlanta 96)
    B: someone killing in the name of christianity

    whether you want to admit it or not, a nasty section of the muslim faith is at war with our country, ideas, beliefs and our allies that think the same way. Hell they hate Russia too.

    So yeah when I hear a pipe bomb goes off or a pressure cooker is used as a bomb, I think muslim terrorist. 9/11 is a big reason I think that way.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?
    Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia
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    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?

    Rare.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
    I"m sorry. but can you provide an example of:
    A: a "white guy" using a pipe bomb here in the united states (I said Atlanta 96)
    B: someone killing in the name of christianity

    whether you want to admit it or not, a nasty section of the muslim faith is at war with our country, ideas, beliefs and our allies that think the same way. Hell they hate Russia too.

    So yeah when I hear a pipe bomb goes off or a pressure cooker is used as a bomb, I think muslim terrorist. 9/11 is a big reason I think that way.
    You also think that way because the media and certain leaders have manipulated dialogue and therefore, the thinking around it. Fundamentalist thinking is the concern, not religion. Was 9/11 done by Muslims, or Saudis?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,145
    Degeneratefk said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?
    Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia
    dylan roof was a murderer, white supremacist and neo nazi.
    bob doggart didn't kill anyone
    rober lewis dear was legit crazy: The judge ordered a mental competency evaluation to assess whether Dear is sufficiently competent to exercise his right to do so. Following subsequent evaluations that determined Dear to be delusional, the judge in the case ruled in May 2016 that Dear was incompetent to stand trial and ordered him indefinitely confined to a Colorado state mental hospital.

    The Hutaree Christina militia is domestic terrorism plain and simple.

    christianity is not at war with us, a section of the muslim religion is. religion of peace my ass.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,145
    Go Beavers said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
    I"m sorry. but can you provide an example of:
    A: a "white guy" using a pipe bomb here in the united states (I said Atlanta 96)
    B: someone killing in the name of christianity

    whether you want to admit it or not, a nasty section of the muslim faith is at war with our country, ideas, beliefs and our allies that think the same way. Hell they hate Russia too.

    So yeah when I hear a pipe bomb goes off or a pressure cooker is used as a bomb, I think muslim terrorist. 9/11 is a big reason I think that way.
    You also think that way because the media and certain leaders have manipulated dialogue and therefore, the thinking around it. Fundamentalist thinking is the concern, not religion. Was 9/11 done by Muslims, or Saudis?
    muslims that were from saudi arabia that were supported by Osama bin Laden who was living in Afghanistan at the time but was originally from Saudi Arabia and was once financially backed by the United States to beat the shit out of the Russians in Afghanistan.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,145
    Go Beavers said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
    I"m sorry. but can you provide an example of:
    A: a "white guy" using a pipe bomb here in the united states (I said Atlanta 96)
    B: someone killing in the name of christianity

    whether you want to admit it or not, a nasty section of the muslim faith is at war with our country, ideas, beliefs and our allies that think the same way. Hell they hate Russia too.

    So yeah when I hear a pipe bomb goes off or a pressure cooker is used as a bomb, I think muslim terrorist. 9/11 is a big reason I think that way.
    You also think that way because the media and certain leaders have manipulated dialogue and therefore, the thinking around it. Fundamentalist thinking is the concern, not religion. Was 9/11 done by Muslims, or Saudis?

    dude it's not the media. Wake the fuck up. We are at war and you know it.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
    I"m sorry. but can you provide an example of:
    A: a "white guy" using a pipe bomb here in the united states (I said Atlanta 96)
    B: someone killing in the name of christianity

    whether you want to admit it or not, a nasty section of the muslim faith is at war with our country, ideas, beliefs and our allies that think the same way. Hell they hate Russia too.

    So yeah when I hear a pipe bomb goes off or a pressure cooker is used as a bomb, I think muslim terrorist. 9/11 is a big reason I think that way.
    You also think that way because the media and certain leaders have manipulated dialogue and therefore, the thinking around it. Fundamentalist thinking is the concern, not religion. Was 9/11 done by Muslims, or Saudis?
    muslims that were from saudi arabia that were supported by Osama bin Laden who was living in Afghanistan at the time but was originally from Saudi Arabia and was once financially backed by the United States to beat the shit out of the Russians in Afghanistan.
    But you're going to tell me religion is the problem?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,145
    Go Beavers said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    If they were tied to a specific unified organization and were blowing people up on a regular basis with the intent of terrorizing in the name of that said organization, then I would say hunt the fuckers down and moniter every step of those linked to them.
    The reason people draw preemptive conclusions when these events happen is because they are a trademark of these specific unified organizations that are almost always tied to a specific religion. The lowest common denominator during the current state of affairs with ISIS cheerleaders hyping up the baseline. That's not to say that sometimes other "lone wolves" do not do this shit. It just means that Radical Islamists are "most likely" the culprits based on their methodology. Makes them pretty easy to single out. Once "white guys" (some Muslims are white guys too, just saying) start randomly screaming aloha snack-bar while killing on a regular basis, we can then start broadening our preemptive conclusions.
    Do you think it's funny to mock the way people praise their deity? This is not an expression used exclusively by Islamic extremists - it's used by billions of good people who wouldn't harm an ant, on a regular basis. I think it's just plain pathetic.
    Which highlights my point. Pjpower's comment is a result of the manipulation that can happen when religion is blamed, and the audience is ignorant about the religion. Christianity is rarely blamed for terrorism,because Americans are familiar with it.
    I am quite familiar with and have done a fair amount of studying of both religions thank you very much. At times throughout history, Christian extremists were most definitely to blame for terrorists acts...right now, that's not the case. It is Islamic fundamentalists with a skewed idea of right and wrong that are drilling holes in children's heads and burning "non-believers" alive.
    So when someone kills in the name of Christianity, what do you call it?
    I"m sorry. but can you provide an example of:
    A: a "white guy" using a pipe bomb here in the united states (I said Atlanta 96)
    B: someone killing in the name of christianity

    whether you want to admit it or not, a nasty section of the muslim faith is at war with our country, ideas, beliefs and our allies that think the same way. Hell they hate Russia too.

    So yeah when I hear a pipe bomb goes off or a pressure cooker is used as a bomb, I think muslim terrorist. 9/11 is a big reason I think that way.
    You also think that way because the media and certain leaders have manipulated dialogue and therefore, the thinking around it. Fundamentalist thinking is the concern, not religion. Was 9/11 done by Muslims, or Saudis?
    muslims that were from saudi arabia that were supported by Osama bin Laden who was living in Afghanistan at the time but was originally from Saudi Arabia and was once financially backed by the United States to beat the shit out of the Russians in Afghanistan.
    But you're going to tell me religion is the problem?
    What else could it be when people are killing in the name of "Allah"?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,621
    mcgruff10 said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

    I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.
    What's more brainwashed, assuming you know the motive and that there was terrorist influence involved, or holding judgment until there's more information? You're following a narrative that you're being fed. It doesn't have anything to do with political correctness. When a white guy sets off a pipe bomb, what's your reaction?
    when's the last time a white guy set off a pipe bomb? atlanta olympics 96?
    Dylan roof, Robert Doggart,Robert Lewis Dear, the Hutaree Christian militia
    dylan roof was a murderer, white supremacist and neo nazi.
    bob doggart didn't kill anyone
    rober lewis dear was legit crazy: The judge ordered a mental competency evaluation to assess whether Dear is sufficiently competent to exercise his right to do so. Following subsequent evaluations that determined Dear to be delusional, the judge in the case ruled in May 2016 that Dear was incompetent to stand trial and ordered him indefinitely confined to a Colorado state mental hospital.

    The Hutaree Christina militia is domestic terrorism plain and simple.

    christianity is not at war with us, a section of the muslim religion is. religion of peace my ass.
    There's groups within Christianity that are terrorists. You identified one: white supremacists

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