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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,398
    This is interesting. The Take A Knee conference before the super bowl.

    www.takeakneenation.com
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I like #PleaseStand
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    I like #ConstitutionalRights
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    I guess Kaepernick won't be playing in the XFL. McMahon says it will be in their rules to stand for the national anthem at their games. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I like #ConstitutionalRights
    No one said #YouMustStandDammit!
    They said "please"

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/23/nfl-please-stand-ad-rejected-veterans-group
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    it wasn't forced patriotism, it was bought and paid for: DoD paid $53 million of taxpayers' money to pro sports for military tributes 
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited January 2018
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    I'm for #TakeaKneeStandWhateverWorksForYouJustDon'tGiveOthersShitAboutWhichOneTheyChooseToDo
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    eddiec said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
    Yeah, I agree, eddie.

    No offense, RYME but this is, yet again, black and white thinking.  By your thinking, I'm guessing you would place me (and others here with similar viewpoints) in the category of those who are 100% in favor of big government telling us what and when do everything and who hate America.  And you really think there is a whole major percentage of the country who thinks we should get unlimted stuff for free? Oh come on!  Where on earth did you come up with that?  Think about it. 

    Sure the country is divided in many ways but not by the black and white thinking way you state it.  Yes there are plenty of hard-core left and right wing people in America.  But hardly most.   In fact, most everybody falls in between those two extremes. 

    Time for a reality check, RYME.  Your hyperbole and exaggerations are getting out of hand.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    brianlux said:
    eddiec said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
    Yeah, I agree, eddie.

    No offense, RYME but this is, yet again, black and white thinking.  By your thinking, I'm guessing you would place me (and others here with similar viewpoints) in the category of those who are 100% in favor of big government telling us what and when do everything and who hate America.  And you really think there is a whole major percentage of the country who thinks we should get unlimted stuff for free? Oh come on!  Where on earth did you come up with that?  Think about it. 

    Sure the country is divided in many ways but not by the black and white thinking way you state it.  Yes there are plenty of hard-core left and right wing people in America.  But hardly most.   In fact, most everybody falls in between those two extremes. 

    Time for a reality check, RYME.  Your hyperbole and exaggerations are getting out of hand.
    Yeah , and #PleaseStand  pisses people off.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    eddiec said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
    Yeah, I agree, eddie.

    No offense, RYME but this is, yet again, black and white thinking.  By your thinking, I'm guessing you would place me (and others here with similar viewpoints) in the category of those who are 100% in favor of big government telling us what and when do everything and who hate America.  And you really think there is a whole major percentage of the country who thinks we should get unlimted stuff for free? Oh come on!  Where on earth did you come up with that?  Think about it. 

    Sure the country is divided in many ways but not by the black and white thinking way you state it.  Yes there are plenty of hard-core left and right wing people in America.  But hardly most.   In fact, most everybody falls in between those two extremes. 

    Time for a reality check, RYME.  Your hyperbole and exaggerations are getting out of hand.
    Yeah , and #PleaseStand  pisses people off.
    I see you avoided the entirety of my post.  Did I not make some valid points about exaggerating and black and white thinking?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    Don't forget how intolerant and snowflakey "they" are.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.

    Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you say stuff like "Obama's socialism"?  
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.

    And you say it like it's a disgusting term: instilling programs to help people with limited means and resources.

    F**k 'em, eh? You have the downtrodden right where you need them. If they can't pull themselves out of the gutter... then f**k 'em. As long as you're doing okay... you can turn your nose up at those who might be struggling (it's always their fault, eh?).

    How do you spout your religious rhetoric so proudly when you think so little of your 'brother'? Do you think Santa... sorry... 'God'... would like to hear you speak the way you do?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    It's funny, but I don't recall reading about Jesus criticizing the poor or those who sought to aid them. But guess who he did rail against? The rich. And religious hypocrites, but that's probably unrelated.....
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,657
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited January 2018
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    Post edited by RYME on

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