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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,777
    eddiec said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
    Yeah, I agree, eddie.

    No offense, RYME but this is, yet again, black and white thinking.  By your thinking, I'm guessing you would place me (and others here with similar viewpoints) in the category of those who are 100% in favor of big government telling us what and when do everything and who hate America.  And you really think there is a whole major percentage of the country who thinks we should get unlimted stuff for free? Oh come on!  Where on earth did you come up with that?  Think about it. 

    Sure the country is divided in many ways but not by the black and white thinking way you state it.  Yes there are plenty of hard-core left and right wing people in America.  But hardly most.   In fact, most everybody falls in between those two extremes. 

    Time for a reality check, RYME.  Your hyperbole and exaggerations are getting out of hand.
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    brianlux said:
    eddiec said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
    Yeah, I agree, eddie.

    No offense, RYME but this is, yet again, black and white thinking.  By your thinking, I'm guessing you would place me (and others here with similar viewpoints) in the category of those who are 100% in favor of big government telling us what and when do everything and who hate America.  And you really think there is a whole major percentage of the country who thinks we should get unlimted stuff for free? Oh come on!  Where on earth did you come up with that?  Think about it. 

    Sure the country is divided in many ways but not by the black and white thinking way you state it.  Yes there are plenty of hard-core left and right wing people in America.  But hardly most.   In fact, most everybody falls in between those two extremes. 

    Time for a reality check, RYME.  Your hyperbole and exaggerations are getting out of hand.
    Yeah , and #PleaseStand  pisses people off.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,777
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    eddiec said:
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    If you honestly believe these statements then you are the reason for the divide in this country.
    Yeah, I agree, eddie.

    No offense, RYME but this is, yet again, black and white thinking.  By your thinking, I'm guessing you would place me (and others here with similar viewpoints) in the category of those who are 100% in favor of big government telling us what and when do everything and who hate America.  And you really think there is a whole major percentage of the country who thinks we should get unlimted stuff for free? Oh come on!  Where on earth did you come up with that?  Think about it. 

    Sure the country is divided in many ways but not by the black and white thinking way you state it.  Yes there are plenty of hard-core left and right wing people in America.  But hardly most.   In fact, most everybody falls in between those two extremes. 

    Time for a reality check, RYME.  Your hyperbole and exaggerations are getting out of hand.
    Yeah , and #PleaseStand  pisses people off.
    I see you avoided the entirety of my post.  Did I not make some valid points about exaggerating and black and white thinking?
    "Love and only love will break it down"
    -Neil Young
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,296
    RYME said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There seems to be a misunderstanding as to who "made it political."  Was it the players, by kneeling or the league (and almost all leagues) by trotting this song out for every game in the first place?  I'll go with the latter.  If you're going to do that, then you have the choice of forcing patriotism or seeing people express themselves to the displeasure of snowflakes.  
    I think there is a huge misunderstanding on the part of a lot of people as to what standing for the National Anthem/Flag is for.  Of course you don't have to if you don't want to.
    Nobody standing traditionally for the national anthem is standing in support of police brutality, or the mistreatment of any people.
    Standing is to honor the military men and women,  past & present.  To honor and remember those who gave all, sacrificed everything, those who lost limbs and or were paralyzed fighting for this country.  Their goal was to pass down a better place for their children and grandchildren.  Is America perfect?  No far from it.  It's an experiment and a work in progress.  But most people's dislike for the United States I believe is misguided.
    Unfortunately I believe that the United States of America is irrevocably Divided. 
    I believe that there are two entirely different Americans/Americas existing today.
    Those who value small government, Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness.
    And those who cherish Big government, and want the government to control & provide in every aspect of Our Lives. Everything from small things to big things.  From how much water your toilet can hold/flush, to limitless free stuff,,  redistribution of wealth.
    Those who love this country as founded, and those who despise this country.
    Don't forget how intolerant and snowflakey "they" are.
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,132
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.

    Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you say stuff like "Obama's socialism"?  
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  • RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.

    And you say it like it's a disgusting term: instilling programs to help people with limited means and resources.

    F**k 'em, eh? You have the downtrodden right where you need them. If they can't pull themselves out of the gutter... then f**k 'em. As long as you're doing okay... you can turn your nose up at those who might be struggling (it's always their fault, eh?).

    How do you spout your religious rhetoric so proudly when you think so little of your 'brother'? Do you think Santa... sorry... 'God'... would like to hear you speak the way you do?
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,185
    It's funny, but I don't recall reading about Jesus criticizing the poor or those who sought to aid them. But guess who he did rail against? The rich. And religious hypocrites, but that's probably unrelated.....
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 25,777
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
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    -Neil Young
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    edited January 2018
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,590
    Obamaphones lol

    Laughable
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    edited January 2018
    Laughable? really?
    When lefties don't have there own ideas to debate,  They take personal shots, & or dodge the point completely.  There was a lot written there, but he says, " Obama phones laughable."
    How quickly you forget.

    Post edited by RYME on
  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    ..
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,590
    RYME said:
    Laughable?
    When lefties don't have there own ideas or can't defend the indefensible.  They make personal attacks, & or dodge the point completely.  How quickly you forget.

    You still hanging your hat on that old clip? 
    :rofl:
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  • RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    God has a problem with rich people who have screwed people over (ill gotten gains) to get rich?

    So Trump- the guy you advocated for- isn't going to go to heaven?

    And your wife is from Lithuania? Thank Gawd she's not from a shithole country. 
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,787
    President Barack Obama  was taking us towards socialism?
    Seriously?
    What's  next? Worrying  about those damn leftist pinko commies?
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,132
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    Congratulations. You are the walking embodiment of everything that is wrong with America today.  
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,590
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    You think Trump has ever run a lawnmower? 
    You think he's ever done a dirty job?
    Do you think he even knows what hard work looks like?

    You got a big problem with unemployment?  I guarantee you know hard workers like yourself who have had to rely on unemployment at times.  If you don't, you are not as lower middle class as you are presenting yourself.
    Do you think billionaires like Donald Trump differentiate between some trashy YouTube "star" and a factory worker collecting unemployment because he's laid off from the plant for a few months while orders are low? 
    Don't kid yourself, they attack ALL recipients of earned government benefits equally, they will cut across the board, and it's folks like your old man who take the hit hardest.  The workers that just want better for their kids.  Like my old man.

    The really fucked up part is that they carry out these attacks that erode the middle class by using sleight of mind, getting suckers like you to pay attention to the "I got my obamaphone" lady while they pass multibillion dollar tax giveaways to themselves and convince you that when their golden toilet overflows it will trickle down to you...but only if you vote for people who will destroy your union and your safety net and everything that gives you a chance at middle class comfort.  Because, damnit, that black lady is bilking the system for thousands of dollars, you'd better be mad!  Ignore the billionaire who just gave himself another million, that lady has a cellphone on welfare.  The fucking travesty of it!  A cellphone!
    What's the world coming to?  A cellphone!
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    CM189191 said:
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    Congratulations. You are the walking embodiment of everything that is wrong with America today.  
    What? 
    A workaholic,
    Rugged individualism, Self-Reliance,
    Working your ass off for one's own well being, & then helping others when you can.
    That's your definition of what's wrong with America???
    If that's the case, then you are screwed.
  • RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.
  • RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.

    You are talking about social assistance? Of course there are abusers. It's not the program's fault- it's the abuser's fault. How about tax evasion and all the other white collar crimes? You think Trump is better than the bum that is a habitual welfare user? 

    We have bums that abuse the system in Canada. Back when I was young and stupid... it pissed me off. But I have come to a place that I remember my father being from: who cares? They reside in their apartments and we don't even think about them. At least they aren't in the streets stealing from (or hurting) others. The human race is far from perfect.

    More significantly, amongst all the other ignorant things he's well known for, you... not me... should seethe when Lord  F**kwad does things like talk of 'shithole countries' and make efforts to restrict access from the people from those countries trying to get a better life for themselves... like your wife did for herself- making your life and her life so much better.

    The current deportations I read of disgust me. Understand this: your country is f**ked up right now. If you refuse to at least acknowledge this... then you are a part of the problem. 
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,132
    RYME said:
    CM189191 said:
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    Congratulations. You are the walking embodiment of everything that is wrong with America today.  
    What? 
    A workaholic,
    Rugged individualism, Self-Reliance,
    Working your ass off for one's own well being, & then helping others when you can.
    That's your definition of what's wrong with America???
    If that's the case, then you are screwed.

    Cute . You don't work for a living . You drive a truck. There's an entire industry dedicated to replacing you .
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,185
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.

    Barack Obama is not from New York, and he's not from a wealthy family. You seem to know very little about him, and about socialism. You think you know quite a lot about what God likes and doesn't like, though I'm not sure why. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 5,787
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.

    Barack Obama is not from New York, and he's not from a wealthy family. You seem to know very little about him, and about socialism. You think you know quite a lot about what God likes and doesn't like, though I'm not sure why. 
    You're  damn right Obama  is not from New York.  He's  from Kenya. And he's not just a socialist. He's a Muslim  socialist. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,185
    Newsflash, bound to upset some people. Jesus never preached against abortion, either. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,291
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.

    Barack Obama is not from New York, and he's not from a wealthy family. You seem to know very little about him, and about socialism. You think you know quite a lot about what God likes and doesn't like, though I'm not sure why. 
    You're  damn right Obama  is not from New York.  He's  from Kenya. And he's not just a socialist. He's a Muslim  socialist. 
    I was talking about Trump being from New York and having never run a lawn mower. I don't think Barack Obama has ever run a lawn mower either.
     & To 30 bills unpaid
    I get it, that it's f***** up right now.
    I try not to be part of the problem.

  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 14,679
    Love how little of this thread is about Kaep and the point he was trying to make and how it is about Gump, What Santa/God thinks about things, and Socialism. 
    There is some funny stuff in here.  This was probably what made me laugh the most:

    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.

    Stated in typical black and white AMT certainty.  How do people feel like what they think is the only valid thought taking place?

    I refused to hold my nose and vote for the Orange fellow.  He was shown to be a bad person prior to being elected.  A 'deplorable', as he liked to label others.  How could people vote for him? 

    My theory is that far more people are idiots in this country than at any previous time.  Access to technology and facts are meant to make us smarter but instead give voice to morons everywhere that the average mouth breather finds strength in connecting with. 



    IMO, Kaep should continue to be applauded for voicing his beliefs, for educating himself, for supporting others, and for holding the line. (And, I fully support the rights of teams to not want to employ him if they don't like his positioning.)


    *This is posted by someone who always will stand for our national anthem and who is a registered Republican that voted for a 3rd option.  The answer was not voting for either of the main party options as I cannot stand either one -- I find them both to be unfit for the office of POTUS.


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 16,634
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    46% to 48%
    I'd say we're split almost right down the middle.  Those who wanted a continuation of Obama's socialism, and those who didn't.  I don't think that's an exaggeration.
    "Obama's socialism"  :lol:


    Okey dokey, RYME.
    Yes, that's where he (Barack) was taking us towards socialism.  Hillary or Sanders would have been a continuation of that.
    If it's okay for people to hate Trump, then why is it not okay for other people to despise Obama's agenda??
    Trump was not my first choice, but I held my nose and voted for him because, he represented a big change in direction from where we were headed.
    The buffoon won because he was not a continuation of socialism.  That's why plain and simple.
    I have no problem assisting those who need it, & or are down on their luck, had something tragic happen (Like a Hurricane) or unable to sustain themselves for some reason.
    I have a problem with abled-bodied people who refuse to work and take advantage of the system.
    I have nothing against dope.  But whoever wants to sit at home on the're ass in  their pajamas, smoke dope and not work and collect Unemployment & Obama-Phones, I have a big problem with that.
    And a separate response to 
    oftenreading,, 
    God has no problem with people who are rich if they've worked hard and earned it fair and square.
    People who are rich via ill-gotten gains, meaning that they screwed people along the way to get rich, God/Jesus has a big problem with that.
    You will find that here
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:24&version=KJV
    He's not talking about wealth through hard work.   He's talking about being rich through ill-gotten gains.
    And so, if you are rich because of your own hard work, God says  More Power To You!
    And by the way,
    I am an expert on white privilege.
    My parents were low class income when I was young.  But my dad had a good lawn mower, (push mower).  He taught me how to gas it up and check the oil before you start, & mow our own yard when I was 9. 
    When I was 10 he got me 5 of our neighbors yards to mow once a week during the summer.  $5 - $10 per yard depending on how big it was.
    I have always worked my ass off for everything I've got.  You ever watch Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe?  I've done a lot of things that might be considered Dirty Jobs.
    I drive a semi truck nowadays & my wife from Lithuania who grew up under Soviet Rule, is now a nurse & citizen of the United States.
    Nobody has given us anything.  What we have is what we've earned.
    We are very charitable as well.
    You are clearly no expert on white privilege. 

    minorities can and do as much or more than you and still get nowhere. 
    I can see shit now. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,185
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RG...

    You don't often do good ones. But that one up there is a good one.

    I fear it will be ignored though. It seems as if once people have been convinced of something... they'll adhere to it like it was their lifeline.
    You think Barack has ever run a lawn mower??
    Hell no and neither has Trump. 
    Not much grass to mow in New York City is there. 
    My work ethic is my lifeline.  Not Donald f****** Trump.
    I could've accepted govt assistance about 10 years ago, damn sure qualified for it, but I did not take it. 
    Through perseverance and hard work, I pulled myself up by my own bootstraps and got cracki'n. 
    Getting my wife legal citizenship here &  into a nursing school & a nurse license  took another round of perseverance.  (Shithole countries refers to the way that they are governed.  Has nothing to do with the citizenry or race.  The reason people are fleeing those countries is because they're not that nice of a place to be.  It is not a description of the citizenry.). Recently (in the wake of Donald Trump's headlines) my wife describes her own country as a s*******that's why she got out of there, and moved to the United States.
    Eventually things started going our way & have been steadily getting better.
    Yes I do know hard workers who needed government assistance to get by.  Using government assistance as a as a supplement is one thing.  Getting cozy on government assistance and doing whatever you can to game the system to stay on government assistance permanently is a different animal.  That's where I have a problem with it using it permanently as opposed to using it and then getting on with your life.  My battery is low so see you later.

    Barack Obama is not from New York, and he's not from a wealthy family. You seem to know very little about him, and about socialism. You think you know quite a lot about what God likes and doesn't like, though I'm not sure why. 
    You're  damn right Obama  is not from New York.  He's  from Kenya. And he's not just a socialist. He's a Muslim  socialist. 
    I was talking about Trump being from New York and having never run a lawn mower. I don't think Barack Obama has ever run a lawn mower either.



    But why don't you think that? This is what gets me. You're just making shit up.
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