Kaepernick

F Me In The Brain

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

I know you are very nice person but you just lost all credibility to talk about football from my perspective.

We can only agree to disagree.  I say the CFL is awful, sub-par, and not worthy of being called football.  You say the NFL is not something you can dig into and worthy of being watched at the same time as hosting an Oscar party.

"San Diago.  Pretty sure that is German for Whale's Vagina."

HughFreakingDillon

F Me In The Brain said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

I know you are very nice person but you just lost all credibility to talk about football from my perspective.

We can only agree to disagree.  I say the CFL is awful, sub-par, and not worthy of being called football.  You say the NFL is not something you can dig into and worthy of being watched at the same time as hosting an Oscar party.

"San Diago.  Pretty sure that is German for Whale's Vagina."

LOL. I know loads of people, friends of mine, who are very knowledgeable about football, who are big NFL fans who hold the same opinion as I do. There are many who also don't, but my credibility is not in question here. 

Sure, the NFL is pretty. Glad you enjoy the glitz.  Good thing NFL players have nearly a full minute to get ready for the next play so you can go get another Budweiser. 

dignin

Off topic but just to be that guy...

Hockey > Football

By a Kilometer.

F Me In The Brain

I am sorry but I cannot take an evaluation of NFL talent seriously from someone who types this:

NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party.

I am no NFL scout but I am a 49ers fan and someone who watched Kaepernick play more than anyone else who is not a 49ers fan.  (Being real -- nobody who roots for another team would have watched the Niners play much the last 3 years.  They have been so poorly coached and run it has been a traveshamockery.)  He is far superior to Hoyer as an NFL QB. 

Not going to argue that he is not a jerk (I don't know him) or that he didn't play poorly at times.  Certainly not going to argue that he exercised good common sense relative to his employ-ability when he chose to make statements through his socks or his kneeling/sitting.

HesCalledDyer

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What I find amazing is that nearly a year after Kaepernick began his peaceful, silent protest people are still calling it disrespectful, yet we've all but stopped talking about the group of actual disrespectful, hateful, narrow-minded, swastika wearing fuckfaces from just a month ago using the exact same first amendment protection.

And we wonder why Kaep does what he does.

Peaceful... but not silent. Let's be clear on that. Very visible. Aside from the demonstration... let's also remember his socks and various other items that cannot be classified as 'silent'.

I do love this response, though.  It drives the point I was trying to make home.  Kaep does what he does because people still focus on him kneeling during a song instead of all the wrongdoing he is protesting against.

Likewise... how Kap's offensive on-field language and items like his custom socks never gets acknowledged by those insisting he's righteous.

Jesus fucking christ dude.

Yah. No shit dude.

What point is it that you're missing?

I'd ask the same of you.

Some people are still focused on Kap because he knelt during the national anthem- thinking he "should at least have a back-up spot but he doesn't because he protested so admirably".

They don't understand that he's a shitty NFL quarterback. He's a shitty teammate (one of the NFL's most hated guys prior to his protest). He used offensive language (n**ger) on the field that hardly places him as the poster boy for a movement such as BLM. And, to illustrate what he felt about the police... he wore custom pig socks for one 'silent' protest (so much for that profession).

If people want to focus more on the wrongdoing he [is] protesting against (your words)... I'm up for that, just don't front the movement with an idiot like this guy... otherwise the message is lost in the delivery.

None of that has anything to do with my original message.

The point I made was comparing two different kinds of protests, both protected by the first amendment - Kaepernick and white supremacists - and how one's use of the constitutional right is still viewed and talked about as disrespectful, despite being peaceful and harmless, and the other is no longer much, if any, of a discussion despite being hateful and inciting violence.  You then took that comparison and only responded about Kaepernick, thus proving my point of why he's doing what he's doing. 

-I'm QED on this.

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

I compare the cfl to major league soccer here in the u.s.   Yeah it is a soccer league but it is NOTHING compared to the premiere league.  

HughFreakingDillon

F Me In The Brain said:

I am sorry but I cannot take an evaluation of NFL talent seriously from someone who types this:

NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party.

I am no NFL scout but I am a 49ers fan and someone who watched Kaepernick play more than anyone else who is not a 49ers fan.  (Being real -- nobody who roots for another team would have watched the Niners play much the last 3 years.  They have been so poorly coached and run it has been a traveshamockery.)  He is far superior to Hoyer as an NFL QB. 

Not going to argue that he is not a jerk (I don't know him) or that he didn't play poorly at times.  Certainly not going to argue that he exercised good common sense relative to his employ-ability when he chose to make statements through his socks or his kneeling/sitting.

I already stated that there is no denying the talent pool in the NFL is far superior to that of the CFL's. I was referring to the GAME, not the players. 

F Me In The Brain

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

I compare the cfl to major league soccer here in the u.s.   Yeah it is a soccer league but it is NOTHING compared to the premiere league.  

If we changed the rules of soccer this would be even more accurate. 

HesCalledDyer

https://twitter.com/mrsbone73/status/907459261608939520

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The CFL is not the NFL, but its not a joke either. I rarely watch it and I'm not necessarily a fan, however:

Several CFL players have made the jump to the NFL and done very well. Likewise, many NFLers have gone to the CFL with mixed results (it is not as easy as one thinks).

To suggest the CFL is terrible is akin to shouting "USA USA" when Trump says he's going to make America great again.

F Me In The Brain

I have two words for you for comparing me to a Trump supporter.  One rhymes with Suck and the other with Blue.


The CFL is terrible.  Sorta like Trump.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What I find amazing is that nearly a year after Kaepernick began his peaceful, silent protest people are still calling it disrespectful, yet we've all but stopped talking about the group of actual disrespectful, hateful, narrow-minded, swastika wearing fuckfaces from just a month ago using the exact same first amendment protection.

And we wonder why Kaep does what he does.

Peaceful... but not silent. Let's be clear on that. Very visible. Aside from the demonstration... let's also remember his socks and various other items that cannot be classified as 'silent'.

I do love this response, though.  It drives the point I was trying to make home.  Kaep does what he does because people still focus on him kneeling during a song instead of all the wrongdoing he is protesting against.

Likewise... how Kap's offensive on-field language and items like his custom socks never gets acknowledged by those insisting he's righteous.

Jesus fucking christ dude.

Yah. No shit dude.

What point is it that you're missing?

I'd ask the same of you.

Some people are still focused on Kap because he knelt during the national anthem- thinking he "should at least have a back-up spot but he doesn't because he protested so admirably".

They don't understand that he's a shitty NFL quarterback. He's a shitty teammate (one of the NFL's most hated guys prior to his protest). He used offensive language (n**ger) on the field that hardly places him as the poster boy for a movement such as BLM. And, to illustrate what he felt about the police... he wore custom pig socks for one 'silent' protest (so much for that profession).

If people want to focus more on the wrongdoing he [is] protesting against (your words)... I'm up for that, just don't front the movement with an idiot like this guy... otherwise the message is lost in the delivery.

None of that has anything to do with my original message.

The point I made was comparing two different kinds of protests, both protected by the first amendment - Kaepernick and white supremacists - and how one's use of the constitutional right is still viewed and talked about as disrespectful, despite being peaceful and harmless, and the other is no longer much, if any, of a discussion despite being hateful and inciting violence.  You then took that comparison and only responded about Kaepernick, thus proving my point of why he's doing what he's doing. 

-I'm QED on this.

Quality vs quantity.

People have stated they either disagree or agree with Kap's protest. Pretty benign responses.

People stated they wanted to punch Nazis in the face and that the national guard should have been called in to deal with that situation- instead your country left college girls to do it.

Kap's situation is all part and parcel: you can't take a slice of the pie and promote it without looking at what was left in the dish. He's an idiot. Having him be the NFL's leader in protesting police brutality is tantamount to having Ricky Williams promoting the 'say no to drugs' campaign. I've already said why.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HesCalledDyer said:

https://twitter.com/mrsbone73/status/907459261608939520

Good one! A nice perspective.

There are a few sons that have fought, died, and been buried over in Europe that might not fully appreciate the 'snub'. A different perspective. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

F Me In The Brain said:

I have two words for you for comparing me to a Trump supporter.  One rhymes with Suck and the other with Blue.


The CFL is terrible.  Sorta like Trump.

Lol

I wanted to hit below the belt. I'm a dirty fighter.

F Me In The Brain

Kaepernick is not dumb.  He may do some dumb things (don't we all?) but he is not an idiot. 
Ricky did drugs...does that mean that Kaepernick went out and exceeded the appropriate level of force while protecting-and-serving?
Huh.

What are the qualifications for protesting police brutality, I wonder?
Is there a training course in this? 
Perhaps that is what he can be doing right now instead of (not) playing football and donating so much of his money to try and help a cause he believes in.
A guy in Canada at his keyboard thinks he is an idiot and a crap football player.

Pretty sure he can keep doing what he is doing and hope to make some sort of impact.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

He called guys n**gers on the field after he threw an interception.

A guy in Canada does think he's an idiot and a crap football player. And... so do a lot of NFL executives. You think they draw the line on protestors? If he could help a team... he'd have a job. Pure and simple. He can't help a team on the field or off the field with his combination of shitty play and shitty character (he was one of the NFL's most hated guys 'prior' to the incident).

HesCalledDyer

The below is from a series of posts on Twitter which I copied, pasted, and edited for format only.  All words are from the original poster, Charles Clymer, and remain unchanged other than to edit symbols and abbreviations (e.g. &, +, w/) into proper vocabulary (e.g. and, with).  Charles Clymer is a Georgetown University alumnus and a United States Army Veteran:

Over the past few days, I have seen grumblings from white men online that they plan to boycott the NFL over black players protesting.  I am a white male, a lifelong NFL fan, and a military veteran, and I have a few things to say. 

I served this country specifically in defense of the rights enumerated in our Constitution.  I served so that Americans like Kaepernick could take a knee during the National Anthem in protest of white supremacy and police brutality.  I served because patriotism takes many forms, and the highest forms of patriotism are exercising the right to criticize America so that we might improve and giving one's life so that others might exercise that right.  Neither of these forms of patriotism are higher than the other, and they are inextricable.  We cannot separate the courage required to speak truth to the bruises in our souls with the courage it takes to die for that speech.  We cannot separate the moral voice Lincoln called our "better angels" with the sacrifice he anointed the "last full measure of devotion".  I am told a boycott of the NFL is due to Kaepernick and other black players "bringing politics" into a space meant to be nonpolitical.  And I am here to tell you, as a lifelong football fan, that the NFL is the most political institution in the country.  Moreso than Congress. Moreso than the White House. Moreso than any memorialized block of marble in all the land.

The NFL is nothing if not political. It is the greatest prism through which we define the American identity.  And that is precisely because we have made the NFL the most common and explicit touchstone of the American experience.  The NFL is the highest-earning, most-watched sport in the country, and it is also the most decorated in patriotic pageantry.  And these two things, good or bad, working in tandem give greater access to the American value system than anything else in our society.  Those watching an NFL game are confronted with the truth that there are women and men in uniform who serve, and often die, for our freedoms. There's the National Anthem, the color guard, the jet flyovers, the solemn tributes to the troops, the commercials, and a million other little snippets of insistence that we are able to watch grown men play with a ball on a field - because of those women and men in uniform who sacrifice for our freedoms - that are clearly spelled out in the Constitution.  And the most important of those freedoms is speaking truth to power.  If that is not political, if that is not the essence of defining how power is given and granted, then nothing is political.  Professional football revolves around a core pageantry of celebrating freedom and the power required to maintain that freedom.

So many White Americans are unsettled by Kaepernick's protest due to the realization that patriotism is not something we exclusively own.  We, as White Americans, are so accustomed to seeing patriotism made in our own image, bereft of all struggles of people of color, that it is jarring to see a Black American exercise their free speech to protest injustices we can scarcely comprehend.  It's as though White Americans wash, wax, and rev up a nice car for the sake of celebrating having the car but never need to drive it and are shocked when Black Americans use that car to drive down a muddy road, the very purpose for which that car was created.  We are shocked to find problems a wash and wax cannot address, problems we'd sooner never acknowledge, lest we be required to solve them.

I did not serve my country so that grown adults could engage in lofty, empty theatrics for values they supposedly hold dear only to stage an outcry when someone dares to ask if we really care about those values.  I did not serve my country so that other White Americans could use that service to silence Black Americans.  And - this is important - I did not serve my country so that only military veterans could lay claim to the mantle of patriotism.

You can disagree with Kaepernick's reasons for protesting (although I believe you'd be wrong) but you cannot exploit my service, or that of any military veteran, to shame Kaepernick and other black citizens into silence.  And let me be absolutely clear: if this is your reason to boycott the NFL - not domestic violence, not rape, not traumatic brain injuries, not unfair labor practices - but seeing a black player respectfully kneel in protest of racism, I would have to question not only your understanding of our Constitutional freedoms but the very core of your humanity, that part shaped by empathy and compassion.  If that core in your soul is missing, there are far bigger problems to address than what's on Sunday afternoon television.  I wish you way more than a flag and an anthem in finding it.

HughFreakingDillon

wow.

F Me In The Brain

Do you think Barry Bonds could have helped teams when he was black balled and shunned by the league? 
Of course he could have.  So could Kaepernick, which is what my point has been relative to his playing ability.


I think that lots of people use that word -- the ref was the one who took offense.  Maybe he didn't know that Kaepernick identifies himself as a black man?  I could see if Alex Smith called someone that how people would be offended.

"He was just saying inappropriate language," Houston told the Tribune on Monday night at MetLife Stadium. He said Kaepernick cursed at him, including using the N-word.

Asked if he was insulted, Houston said it's more a "cultural thing." Houston reiterated that he incensed Kaepernick on the play by saying "nice pass" at the end of a Kyle Fuller interception.

I feel that Kaepernick is having a positive impact by doing what he is doing.  People can shit on his head all that they like.  Even if you think he is an idiot and a crap player, look at what his donations can do to help people.  People want to line up to kick this guy in the balls when he is trying to help people.  Who cares if it is a way for him to keep getting attention or whatever else people are taking issue with.  He is helping people.

oftenreading

Good posts, F Me and Dyer.

Seems like one or two people keep throwing out the Kaepernick used the n word at times. It bears remembering that, within the black community, it's a word that's often used, having been reclaimed and repurposed. Its use there is totally different than if a white player had used it.