Kaepernick

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Smellyman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Do you think Barry Bonds could have helped teams when he was black balled and shunned by the league? 
Of course he could have.  So could Kaepernick, which is what my point has been relative to his playing ability.


I think that lots of people use that word -- the ref was the one who took offense.  Maybe he didn't know that Kaepernick identifies himself as a black man?  I could see if Alex Smith called someone that how people would be offended.

"He was just saying inappropriate language," Houston told the Tribune on Monday night at MetLife Stadium. He said Kaepernick cursed at him, including using the N-word.

Asked if he was insulted, Houston said it's more a "cultural thing." Houston reiterated that he incensed Kaepernick on the play by saying "nice pass" at the end of a Kyle Fuller interception.

I feel that Kaepernick is having a positive impact by doing what he is doing.  People can shit on his head all that they like.  Even if you think he is an idiot and a crap player, look at what his donations can do to help people.  People want to line up to kick this guy in the balls when he is trying to help people.  Who cares if it is a way for him to keep getting attention or whatever else people are taking issue with.  He is helping people.

Okay I guess he's just fantastic then.

I honestly couldn't give two shits what Kap does. I'm impressed with him keeping his promise on the million dollars and he has made a positive impact... but he is not Ghandi.

At this point... some shit team would do well to take a chance on him and hope for a revival of his career. It would be a great story and an opportunity to make the shit team somewhat marketable. If some shit team does take him... I wouldn't be upset. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

For not caring, you sure live in this thread

I like a lively discussion. Thanks for noting me!

jeffbr

F Me In The Brain said:

JimmyV said:

I don't have strong feelings about Kap one way or the other, but I do think some of his supporters are ignoring a potential employer's responsibility to research and be concerned by potential red flags. Forget that it's the NFL for a minute. QB is a face-of-the-organization position. Not just in the workplace (on the field) but in the community, in front of the press, etc. Every job applicant knows his/her background is going to be checked out and their references will be called. For Kap those  reports come back saying "He was good for us early on, but we did see diminished production over time. Oh, also, he started each workday with a political protest." How many businesses are going to hire that guy?

Yeah, I certainly understand your point.
My argument is against those who say he is not good enough to play, or that what he is doing is in some way bad.

He's not good enough to play for my team. We brought him in, put a Seahawks practice jersey on him and gave him a trial, but he's a mediocre QB who would never start on my team, and is looking for too much money to be a backup QB (and I'm not sure he could have beaten either of our backup contenders in preseason). And my team isn't afraid of a little kneeling or sitting during the anthem, so that is a secondary issue. I think Kaep is a douchenozzle, and formed that opinion of him long before his girlfriend converted him to activism. But I do agree that he is probably an upgrade for a couple of shitty teams.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

Agreed. Yes, Kaepernick is definitely good enough for the CFL, which may seem like a criticism to the league, lol, but CFL is way more entertaining to watch than NFL in terms of the game itself IMHO, and many would agree with me (and no, not as a matter of pride, hahaha). Compared to the NFL "presentation", CFL seems fucking bush league, but if you get into it and aren't biased, you might reasonably feel that it is more engaging out on the field. My main problem with the CFL is that the league isn't big enough for there to be a really solid sense of competition. Not enough teams. I hope that changes in the future. Of course the market needs to grow... maybe it will if Canada somehow grows its population significantly, but I don't really see that happening.

F Me In The Brain

jeffbr said:

F Me In The Brain said:

JimmyV said:

I don't have strong feelings about Kap one way or the other, but I do think some of his supporters are ignoring a potential employer's responsibility to research and be concerned by potential red flags. Forget that it's the NFL for a minute. QB is a face-of-the-organization position. Not just in the workplace (on the field) but in the community, in front of the press, etc. Every job applicant knows his/her background is going to be checked out and their references will be called. For Kap those  reports come back saying "He was good for us early on, but we did see diminished production over time. Oh, also, he started each workday with a political protest." How many businesses are going to hire that guy?

Yeah, I certainly understand your point.
My argument is against those who say he is not good enough to play, or that what he is doing is in some way bad.

He's not good enough to play for my team. We brought him in, put a Seahawks practice jersey on him and gave him a trial, but he's a mediocre QB who would never start on my team, and is looking for too much money to be a backup QB (and I'm not sure he could have beaten either of our backup contenders in preseason). And my team isn't afraid of a little kneeling or sitting during the anthem, so that is a secondary issue. I think Kaep is a douchenozzle, and formed that opinion of him long before his girlfriend converted him to activism. But I do agree that he is probably an upgrade for a couple of shitty teams.

Yeah, you guys are set at QB.  Also, I would expect Seattle fans to dislike him based on the matchups.  (Just as any SF fan will think Sherman is an overrated loudmouth.) 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

Agreed. Yes, Kaepernick is definitely good enough for the CFL, which may seem like a criticism to the league, lol, but CFL is way more entertaining to watch than NFL in terms of the game itself IMHO, and many would agree with me (and no, not as a matter of pride, hahaha). Compared to the NFL "presentation", CFL seems fucking bush league, but if you get into it and aren't biased, you might reasonably feel that it is more engaging out on the field. My main problem with the CFL is that the league isn't big enough for there to be a really solid sense of competition. Not enough teams. I hope that changes in the future. Of course the market needs to grow... maybe it will if Canada somehow grows its population significantly, but I don't really see that happening.

this is the point I've been trying to make. it's the game, not the talent. If you had the NFL with CFL rules, I'd watch it in a heartbeat. 

there is an obvious draw for it out east; I don't know why they don't expand out there. Maybe not enough people with enough coin to buy/run a team? They just keep wanting to stuff more teams into southern Ontario, which is stupid. Regina could probably have two teams for crying out loud. 

jeffbr

F Me In The Brain said:

jeffbr said:

F Me In The Brain said:

JimmyV said:

I don't have strong feelings about Kap one way or the other, but I do think some of his supporters are ignoring a potential employer's responsibility to research and be concerned by potential red flags. Forget that it's the NFL for a minute. QB is a face-of-the-organization position. Not just in the workplace (on the field) but in the community, in front of the press, etc. Every job applicant knows his/her background is going to be checked out and their references will be called. For Kap those  reports come back saying "He was good for us early on, but we did see diminished production over time. Oh, also, he started each workday with a political protest." How many businesses are going to hire that guy?

Yeah, I certainly understand your point.
My argument is against those who say he is not good enough to play, or that what he is doing is in some way bad.

He's not good enough to play for my team. We brought him in, put a Seahawks practice jersey on him and gave him a trial, but he's a mediocre QB who would never start on my team, and is looking for too much money to be a backup QB (and I'm not sure he could have beaten either of our backup contenders in preseason). And my team isn't afraid of a little kneeling or sitting during the anthem, so that is a secondary issue. I think Kaep is a douchenozzle, and formed that opinion of him long before his girlfriend converted him to activism. But I do agree that he is probably an upgrade for a couple of shitty teams.

Yeah, you guys are set at QB.  Also, I would expect Seattle fans to dislike him based on the matchups.  (Just as any SF fan will think Sherman is an overrated loudmouth.) 

Exactly! Yeah, my dislike of Kaep has nothing to do with the kneeling issue. Bennet is every bit as vocal and demonstrative as Kaep on that subject, and I'm a Michael Bennett fan. I'm also a Sherman fan, but recognize that I'd hate him if he played for a different team. Lol.

F Me In The Brain

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Kaep is for sure way better than Hoyer.
The CFL sucks, need a separate thread for that.  Kaep would destroy that league just getting the ball and running around.  Hell, Crap On a Plate Doug Flutie was a star up there and the midget couldn't even see over a proper O Line.  He split time with Rob Johnson, who sucks even worse than Hoyer.
I am saying he is out of a job because of his personality & because the league would rather steer clear of protesters over sitting during the anthem than protesters about Elliott and these other pieces of walking fucking garbage who smack women around. 
Not pretending that he was a great QB -- but I think y'all are crazy that maintain he is worse than Hoyer or some of these other bums that are in the NFL right now.  I watched the games -- I am not relying on ESPN or other rags telling me what my opinion should be based on a bad string of games. 

the CFL does not suck, but you are right, Kaep would run circles around everyone in our league. There is no disputing the difference in talent between the CFL and the NFL, but I still prefer the CFL game more. People like the glitz and production money the NFL has. NFL is a game you can watch while doing something else, kind of like hosting an Oscar party. The CFL is something you dig into. 

Agreed. Yes, Kaepernick is definitely good enough for the CFL, which may seem like a criticism to the league, lol, but CFL is way more entertaining to watch than NFL in terms of the game itself IMHO, and many would agree with me (and no, not as a matter of pride, hahaha). Compared to the NFL "presentation", CFL seems fucking bush league, but if you get into it and aren't biased, you might reasonably feel that it is more engaging out on the field. My main problem with the CFL is that the league isn't big enough for there to be a really solid sense of competition. Not enough teams. I hope that changes in the future. Of course the market needs to grow... maybe it will if Canada somehow grows its population significantly, but I don't really see that happening.

this is the point I've been trying to make. it's the game, not the talent. If you had the NFL with CFL rules, I'd watch it in a heartbeat. 

there is an obvious draw for it out east; I don't know why they don't expand out there. Maybe not enough people with enough coin to buy/run a team? They just keep wanting to stuff more teams into southern Ontario, which is stupid. Regina could probably have two teams for crying out loud. 

Gussying up the game isnt an improvement.

It would be akin to trying to jazz up hockey by removing the red line.....oh, wait, hell.....never mind!

mcgruff10

How do cfl rules differ?

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

How do cfl rules differ?

The field is longer and wider, deeper end zones, goal posts are placed differently, an extra guy on the field.... and a bunch of other subtle differences in the rules. But the biggest difference is that CFL has only 3 downs instead of 4.

jeffbr

mcgruff10 said:

How do cfl rules differ?

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-major-differences-between-the-NFL-and-CFL-rules-for-football

• CFL field is both longer (110 yards vs. 100 yards) and wider (something like 65 vs. 50). End zones are also deeper (20 yards vs. 10 yards).
• Goal posts are at the front of the end zone in CFL, whereas they're on the back line in the NFL. This has a few secondary effects such as extra points being taken from the 5 in the CFL (vs. the 2.5 in the NFL), and makes it more likely that a missed field goal will be returned in the CFL. (Technically, you can return a missed FG in the NFL, but since the posts are on the back line, it rarely happens because as long as a kick is long enough, the ball ends up out of play).
• 12 men on the field for CFL, 11 for NFL. Extra guy on offense is a backfield position; on defense, it can be anything.
• 3 downs to gain 10 yards for a first down in the CFL; 4 downs for NFL. Between this and the larger field, this tends to create a more pass-oriented game, as the short running game isn't as viable.
• In the NFL, only a single offensive player can be moving when the ball is snapped, and the player may not be moving forward. In the CFL, any backs may be moving when the ball is snapped, and in any direction (i.e. WRs can get a running start if they time it right).
• When a ball is fumbled out of bounds, in the NFL it goes to the last team with clear possession; in the CFL, it goes to the last team to touch it.
• No fair catch rule in CFL; instead, no player except the kicker or a player behind the kicker can approach within 5 yards of the ball until the receiving team touches the ball.
• Additional scoring option in CFL - the "rouge" gives a single point when a kickoff goes out of the end zone or is not returned out of the end zone.
• Consistent with the game's soccer/rugby roots, CFL retains the idea of an open-field kick -- that any player can kick the ball at any time -- whereas the only kicks allowed in the NFL are from behind the line of scrimmage. 

I'm an NFL fan, but enjoy watching CFL. Much more passing (since you only have a couple of downs to work with), and a faster paced game overall. The talent level isn't as high, but I like the pace. No boring ground and pound for 3 hours.

HesCalledDyer

I remember when Baltimore had a CFL team.  Went to the Grey Cup both years of their existence, winning the 2nd.  They folded after the Championship year when the Browns announced they were moving from Cleveland to Baltimore.

mcgruff10

I like the cfl rules!!!! I might have to catch a game the next time it is on.

HesCalledDyer

mcgruff10 said:

I like the cfl rules!!!! I might have to catch a game the next time it is on.

It's fun to watch.

https://www.cfl.ca/2017/07/28/from-house-to-house-hazelton-hauls-in-108-yard-td-pass/

ed243421

Hoyer should take a knee

dankind

ed243421 said:

Hoyer should take a knee

YOU should take a knee!

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/266838/the-you-are-thread#latest

F Me In The Brain

Hoyer is so bad.   Awful.

brianlux

I'm gonna take a knee right now.  No wait, I gotta do something else first...

oftenreading

The very idea disturbs some folks so much they're willing to cut down 8 year olds who do it. And by "some folks", I mean Fox News.

http://www.salon.com/2017/09/21/fox-news-attacks-8-year-old-kids-for-kneeling-during-anthem/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hoyer aside... Goff looks pretty good. He's been much better so far in his second year.

Smellyman

oftenreading said:

The very idea disturbs some folks so much they're willing to cut down 8 year olds who do it. And by "some folks", I mean Fox News.

http://www.salon.com/2017/09/21/fox-news-attacks-8-year-old-kids-for-kneeling-during-anthem/

"They're following the lead of their parents, and this is a very political statement that they have no idea what they're doing," she said of the players who are, again, children.


Ironic since the whole nation begins the indoctrination very early with the Pledge of Allegiance, Anthems, America is the best almost from birth.

Pledge of allegiance is really weird to me.  Why is a 5 year old 'pledging allegiance' to anything besides recess?  It will always be super creepy to me.