Kaepernick

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

http://www.snopes.com/trumps-flip-flop-on-flag-burning/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Trump didn't tweet that about flag burning.

fair enough. but he did about obama and the redskins. 

I know and I'm not trying to defend him.  But his cult latches on to anything it can to call us liars.

JC29856

HesCalledDyer said:

Title 18, Section 227 of US Code:

Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity-- 

takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

 In this section, the term “covered government person” means--

 a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;

 an employee of either House of Congress;  or

 the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code). 

are tweets considered "official acts"?

JC29856

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

tempo_n_groove

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

HesCalledDyer

JC29856 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Title 18, Section 227 of US Code:

Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity-- 

takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

 In this section, the term “covered government person” means--

 a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;

 an employee of either House of Congress;  or

 the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code). 

are tweets considered "official acts"?

It was a public address.  The Presidential Seal was on the podium.

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

http://www.snopes.com/trumps-flip-flop-on-flag-burning/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Trump didn't tweet that about flag burning.

fair enough. but he did about obama and the redskins. 

I know and I'm not trying to defend him.  But his cult latches on to anything it can to call us liars.

I saw it on the twitter account of very reputable political analyst I follow. I don't blindly believe everything I read on the internet. I'm surprised he was duped on that one. thank you for pointing it out. 

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Title 18, Section 227 of US Code:

Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity-- 

takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

 In this section, the term “covered government person” means--

 a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;

 an employee of either House of Congress;  or

 the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code). 

are tweets considered "official acts"?

really? that's the part you are focusing on? how about, um, I don't know, the REST?

HughFreakingDillon

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

you're kidding right?

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

you're kidding right?

Yes.

HesCalledDyer

https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/911960316220764160

JC29856

tempo_n_groove said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,”....“To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

not sure how often this was mentioned yesterday by the NFL, NFL owners and those kneeling or sitting with Kaep.

HesCalledDyer

JC29856 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,”....“To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

not sure how often this was mentioned yesterday by the NFL, NFL owners and those kneeling or sitting with Kaep.

Sooo, what's your point if you're not sure?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HesCalledDyer said:

JC29856 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,”....“To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

not sure how often this was mentioned yesterday by the NFL, NFL owners and those kneeling or sitting with Kaep.

Sooo, what's your point if you're not sure?

He's saying the recent demonstration was less altruistic than Kaep's.

tempo_n_groove

So here is my prediction.

The NFL is going to lose a lot of viewers so ratings will get worse.

They won't require teams to be present on the field during the anthem.

20 years ago the players weren't on the field for it and they will probably revisit that.

The NFL is going to be hit in their bank accounts so they will make a change real soon.

HughFreakingDillon

they don't require them to be on the field now. they encourage them to, but it's not required. they only started even being out of the dressing rooms for the anthem in 2009. so all of these "patriots" seem to be outraged about something they don't understand. 

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

they don't require them to be on the field now. they encourage them to, but it's not required. they only started even being out of the dressing rooms for the anthem in 2009. so all of these "patriots" seem to be outraged about something they don't understand. 

Haha well that's patriotism 101 right there

JC29856

HesCalledDyer said:

JC29856 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,”....“To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

not sure how often this was mentioned yesterday by the NFL, NFL owners and those kneeling or sitting with Kaep.

Sooo, what's your point if you're not sure?

I'm not tuned into every game and every comment but what I did see yesterday before during and after the anthems, the recaps and reactions, it wasn't mentioned at all. Did you or anyone else see hear different?
If I woke up from a 13 month coma I would think it's about free speech, inequality and Trump. I would never have the slightest idea it was about cops indiscriminately killing black people with impunity.

tbergs

tempo_n_groove said:

So here is my prediction.

The NFL is going to lose a lot of viewers so ratings will get worse.

They won't require teams to be present on the field during the anthem.

20 years ago the players weren't on the field for it and they will probably revisit that.

The NFL is going to be hit in their bank accounts so they will make a change real soon.

Do you really think they are going to lose viewer over this? Like the drunken dipshit who gets angry at this will make a stand enough of his own to give up his excuse to guzzle Budweiser, eat potato chips and sit on the couch all day Sunday or tailgate like a college freshman. You are giving way too much credit and overall commitment to the average fan. I think the NFL actually has lost more viewership over their lack of control over players other behavior and the pandering to corporate greed. This will probably increase viewers.

tempo_n_groove

JC29856 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

JC29856 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,”....“To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

not sure how often this was mentioned yesterday by the NFL, NFL owners and those kneeling or sitting with Kaep.

Sooo, what's your point if you're not sure?

I'm not tuned into every game and every comment but what I did see yesterday before during and after the anthems, the recaps and reactions, it wasn't mentioned at all. Did you or anyone else see hear different?
If I woke up from a 13 month coma I would think it's about free speech, inequality and Trump. I would never have the slightest idea it was about cops indiscriminately killing black people with impunity.

What happened yesterday was a direct response because of what Trump had said about the few players kneeling.

HesCalledDyer

JC29856 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

JC29856 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JC29856 said:

can someone remind me why Colin Kaepernick started kneeling during national anthems?

Google it.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,”....“To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

not sure how often this was mentioned yesterday by the NFL, NFL owners and those kneeling or sitting with Kaep.

Sooo, what's your point if you're not sure?

I'm not tuned into every game and every comment but what I did see yesterday before during and after the anthems, the recaps and reactions, it wasn't mentioned at all. Did you or anyone else see hear different?
If I woke up from a 13 month coma I would think it's about free speech, inequality and Trump. I would never have the slightest idea it was about cops indiscriminately killing black people with impunity.

To answer your question, I don't know how much it was mentioned during broadcasts of games.  I've only watched 3 games in the last 3 seasons - the Super Bowls.  But I'm not the one questioning that.
I did see plenty of news networks talking all day long about athletes' protests for racial injustice, though.