Police shooting people.....

PJ_Soul

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

pjalive21

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I think this question I have is a pretty good one...

if you just saw your bf get shot for just going to get his license why in the hell then do you think you can grab your phone and start recording?? the danger for her getting shot is the moment her bf got shot. why didn't she start recording when the incident started?

I honestly don't see anything to be "suspicious of", if that is what you're thinking. Also, why are you assuming she had to take her phone "out"? It could easily have already been in her hand, on her lap, on the dashboard, on the centre console, wherever. Anyway, I just don't understand why you think this is a topic worth focusing on.

I'm not suspicious at all but why do we pick up the video after he is shot and already bleeding? If I was her (and I know everyone is different) if I witnessed that I wouldn't have moved at all especially to grab any object, anywhere in the car because I would have been scared to do so. I mean did you see or hear how skittish the cop sounded? I'm just wondering why her first thought was to go live on facebook??

dignin

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

Ray J. T.

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

Who announces to a police officer that they have a weapon on their persons and a permit to carry such weapon, if their intentions are malicious or criminal? Something tells me that this young man was not about to go out in the blaze of glory with his 4 year old daughter in the backseat during a routine traffic stop. Not to mention that he was racially profiled to begin with! News reports have confirmed what was said by the police officers over the police scanners before he was pulled over. The officer had stated that this young man looks like a robbery suspect because of the "wide set-nose"! Sorry, but nothing makes any sense here to justify the officers actions.

http://gawker.com/cop-on-apparent-police-scanner-audio-said-philando-cast-1783339741

pjalive21

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josevolution

pjalive21 said:

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Ah forget it

pjalive21

Ray J. T. said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

Who announces to a police officer that they have a weapon on their persons and a permit to carry such weapon, if their intentions are malicious or criminal?

I completely agree with your point here and this is important.....

When his gf did a interview with people in the street she stated that the officer asked for his ID and it was when he was reaching for his ID that he told the officer that he had a weapon and that he was a conceal and carry licensee...I believe it was at this time the cop in this case got skittish and made a grave error. Now this assessment is going off the interview I saw her do with people in the street so who knows the actual truth we may never know and that is the saddest part.

Now im speaking for myself if I get pulled over right as that cop comes up to that window my hands are on the dash and immediately telling them I have a weapon and I have a license to do so. I wouldn't leave any time in between in the conversation before that came out and that's what you're taught when you get your license.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

While an aspect of this might be true... it needs to be said that such character assassinations happen on both sides of the equation.

Cops are hung by eager cop haters the moment a black man is shot regardless of any circumstances leading to the event.

* It's taken a while, but as these shootings have become the norm... I've developed the ability to wait and see what the story is before jumping to too many conclusions.

I can't imagine any story that might justify the Minnesota shooting, but at the same time and prior to last night... I'm having trouble thinking a cop pulls a black guy over and is intent on murder.

g under p

Ray J. T. said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

Who announces to a police officer that they have a weapon on their persons and a permit to carry such weapon, if their intentions are malicious or criminal? Something tells me that this young man was not about to go out in the blaze of glory with his 4 year old daughter in the backseat during a routine traffic stop. Not to mention that he was racially profiled to begin with! News reports have confirmed what was said by the police officers over the police scanners before he was pulled over. The officer had stated that this young man looks like a robbery suspect because of the "wide set-nose"! Sorry, but nothing makes any sense here to justify the officers actions.

http://gawker.com/cop-on-apparent-police-scanner-audio-said-philando-cast-1783339741

Not many if any at all especially if not asked by an officer. I have been stopped by police for speeding here FL and the officer asked if I had any weapons in my car. I was caught off guard by the question but told him no I do not have any weapons. Oddly he didn't ask if I was drinking I would've told him no as well. He let me go without a ticket even though I was 10 miles over the speed limit. I had no idea what the speed limit was on that section of the road I was on.

Again the young man appeared to be honest in that he had a legal license to carry and no apparent fear at the time to inform the officer that he was carrying a weapon. Once he has done so it puts that officer on high alert for any actions by a seat belted driver.

Peace

PJ_Soul

I agree with diginin, and to me, it doesn't matter one way or the other in terms of the Minnesota shooting anyhow. No cop should EVER be shooting a man who is sitting in his car with the door closed while his child is in the backseat unless the man in the car pulled a gun on him, and I think it is very clear already that no gun was pulled on that cop. The ONLY time cops should be shooting anyone is when their safety is directly threatened (and staying safe does not, IMO, mean trying to avoid getting a scraped knee. It means that death or real injury is a realistic concern). A man sitting in his parked car with the door closed does not and cannot present that kind of threat to an office who is standing at the window of the car pointing a gun at the suspect.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Ray J. T. said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

Who announces to a police officer that they have a weapon on their persons and a permit to carry such weapon, if their intentions are malicious or criminal? Something tells me that this young man was not about to go out in the blaze of glory with his 4 year old daughter in the backseat during a routine traffic stop. Not to mention that he was racially profiled to begin with! News reports have confirmed what was said by the police officers over the police scanners before he was pulled over. The officer had stated that this young man looks like a robbery suspect because of the "wide set-nose"! Sorry, but nothing makes any sense here to justify the officers actions.

http://gawker.com/cop-on-apparent-police-scanner-audio-said-philando-cast-1783339741

Pulled over 31 times for traffic violations in the last 10-15 years?

Somebody posted something earlier that if the police stopped hassling black people doing daily things... this might be good for all. I can't help but think this nugget of advice is something to embrace.

Generally speaking, the routine pullovers gone bad are of the grotesque variety. Cops coming to a scene where someone is brandishing a weapon are tolerable, but these 'mountains out of mole hills' are troublesome and hard to digest.

And now, with all that's happened, tell me more cops aren't going to be extra defensive when detaining a black person.

Geez. Challenging times.

Ray J. T.

Just to add to the pile of shit already going on, our local children's hospital Miami children's Hospital is currently on lockdown due to an active shooter, and bomb threats.

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

While an aspect of this might be true... it needs to be said that such character assassinations happen on both sides of the equation.

Cops are hung by eager cop haters the moment a black man is shot regardless of any circumstances leading to the event.

* It's taken a while, but as these shootings have become the norm... I've developed the ability to wait and see what the story is before jumping to too many conclusions.

I can't imagine any story that might justify the Minnesota shooting, but at the same time and prior to last night... I'm having trouble thinking a cop pulls a black guy over and is intent on murder.

I doubt he intended on murdering anyone when he pulled him over either, but that doesn't change the outcome.

I just get bothered at how much doubt has been placed on the witness. Why do we doubt her version of events so much? I think we should be asking what does she have to gain? And what does the cop have to gain or lose by his telling of how it went down?

She came across as a calm, cool, matter of fact witness to me.....all while the cop was screaming (mostly to himself) and losing his shit. It's a pretty easy call whose version of events sway me at this point. I'm having trouble figuring out what the cop could say that would make me think any different.

And I really doubt there are too many cop haters here. I don't hate them. I'm deeply saddened by the cops that were murdered last night. Nobody deserves that.

I personally just want to see them held accountable when they fuck up. Which seems very rare. I also want to see them do a better job. They need to be better trained and paid better. That should help attract better people and allow PD's to turn down shittier candidates.

mace1229

Ray J. T. said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

Who announces to a police officer that they have a weapon on their persons and a permit to carry such weapon, if their intentions are malicious or criminal? Something tells me that this young man was not about to go out in the blaze of glory with his 4 year old daughter in the backseat during a routine traffic stop. Not to mention that he was racially profiled to begin with! News reports have confirmed what was said by the police officers over the police scanners before he was pulled over. The officer had stated that this young man looks like a robbery suspect because of the "wide set-nose"! Sorry, but nothing makes any sense here to justify the officers actions.

http://gawker.com/cop-on-apparent-police-scanner-audio-said-philando-cast-1783339741

Really? Pulling someone over because they match a physical description of a robbery suspect is profiling?

And what is wrong with wanting the whole story? I did not defend or criticize the cop. Just stated we only have 1 side of the story, with a video of after the incident. If you're against having all the facts before making a judgment, then there's something wrong with you.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

While an aspect of this might be true... it needs to be said that such character assassinations happen on both sides of the equation.

Cops are hung by eager cop haters the moment a black man is shot regardless of any circumstances leading to the event.

* It's taken a while, but as these shootings have become the norm... I've developed the ability to wait and see what the story is before jumping to too many conclusions.

I can't imagine any story that might justify the Minnesota shooting, but at the same time and prior to last night... I'm having trouble thinking a cop pulls a black guy over and is intent on murder.

I doubt he intended on murdering anyone when he pulled him over either, but that doesn't change the outcome.

I just get bothered at how much doubt has been placed on the witness. Why do we doubt her version of events so much? I think we should be asking what does she have to gain? And what does the cop have to gain or lose by his telling of how it went down?

She came across as a calm, cool, matter of fact witness to me.....all while the cop was screaming (mostly to himself) and losing his shit. It's a pretty easy call whose version of events sway me at this point. I'm having trouble figuring out what the cop could say that would make me think any different.

And I really doubt there are too many cop haters here. I don't hate them. I'm deeply saddened by the cops that were murdered last night. Nobody deserves that.

I personally just want to see them held accountable when they fuck up. Which seems very rare. I also want to see them do a better job. They need to be better trained and paid better. That should help attract better people and allow PD's to turn down shittier candidates.

I'd agree on the accountability item. For sure. However, let's be honest... there have been incidents where in many people's minds... cops have acted as they should have, yet much of the public refuses to accept their defence.

I'd also agree that it's time to pay the profession and honour it. Make standards exceptionally high and correspond with a compensation package that encourages the best people we have. Police work should be held in the highest of regards. Forces should be able to recruit... not accept live bodies that are remotely fit and do not possess criminal records.

mace1229

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

What character assassination? You must be referring to Michael Brown and his liquor store robbery Or the dude selling CD's with a violent criminal history? How is any of that character assassination? Or Gardner who resisted arrest and again had an arrest record? How is any of that character assassination? Its called stating facts. Brown robbed a liquor store, attacked a police officer and shot, revealing the facts is character assassination and means I'm a cop apologist?

And why was that even brought up, I haven't seen anyone accusing this latest shooting victim of anything? All I've seen on here so far are protests to the suggestion of waiting until the full story comes out. If we believed everything that came out the first few days with Brown we'd all still believe he had his hands up yelling don't shoot, but that wasn't true. I haven't seen anyone saying leave the cop alone he's innocent, but just suggesting to wait until we hear the whole story. Why would you not want all the facts? Seems pretty irresponsible to me.

If the girlfriend's statements turns out to be true, then the cop deserves to spend a lot of time in jail. But he doesn't deserve a chance to give his side or collect evidence first? That's not a country I'd want to live in, sounds more like North Korea to me.

pjalive21

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

While an aspect of this might be true... it needs to be said that such character assassinations happen on both sides of the equation.

Cops are hung by eager cop haters the moment a black man is shot regardless of any circumstances leading to the event.

* It's taken a while, but as these shootings have become the norm... I've developed the ability to wait and see what the story is before jumping to too many conclusions.

I can't imagine any story that might justify the Minnesota shooting, but at the same time and prior to last night... I'm having trouble thinking a cop pulls a black guy over and is intent on murder.

I doubt he intended on murdering anyone when he pulled him over either, but that doesn't change the outcome.

I just get bothered at how much doubt has been placed on the witness. Why do we doubt her version of events so much? I think we should be asking what does she have to gain? And what does the cop have to gain or lose by his telling of how it went down?

She came across as a calm, cool, matter of fact witness to me.....all while the cop was screaming (mostly to himself) and losing his shit. It's a pretty easy call whose version of events sway me at this point. I'm having trouble figuring out what the cop could say that would make me think any different.

And I really doubt there are too many cop haters here. I don't hate them. I'm deeply saddened by the cops that were murdered last night. Nobody deserves that.

I personally just want to see them held accountable when they fuck up. Which seems very rare. I also want to see them do a better job. They need to be better trained and paid better. That should help attract better people and allow PD's to turn down shittier candidates.

To be clear when I was asking questions I wasn't denouncing the witness at all, hell I wouldn't give anything to have been her in that situation, but being a critical thinker I have to wonder as to why she would have grabbed and started recording or moving around or doing anything while an obvious distraught cop was pointing a gun inside the car, screaming at her and himself while my child was in the backseat after just putting 4 bullets in her bf for apparently no reason

now let me give credit where credit is due your post I just responded to here was damn spot on

Ray J. T.

mace1229 said:

Ray J. T. said:

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

Who announces to a police officer that they have a weapon on their persons and a permit to carry such weapon, if their intentions are malicious or criminal? Something tells me that this young man was not about to go out in the blaze of glory with his 4 year old daughter in the backseat during a routine traffic stop. Not to mention that he was racially profiled to begin with! News reports have confirmed what was said by the police officers over the police scanners before he was pulled over. The officer had stated that this young man looks like a robbery suspect because of the "wide set-nose"! Sorry, but nothing makes any sense here to justify the officers actions.

http://gawker.com/cop-on-apparent-police-scanner-audio-said-philando-cast-1783339741

Really? Pulling someone over because they match a physical description of a robbery suspect is profiling?

And what is wrong with wanting the whole story? I did not defend or criticize the cop. Just stated we only have 1 side of the story, with a video of after the incident. If you're against having all the facts before making a judgment, then there's something wrong with you.

In this particular circumstance this looks clearly like a case of profiling, after what the officer had stated and was heard over the scanners stating that "he looks like our guy, I am going to pull him over, I have a reason to pull him over" that is a direct quote from the police officer. And I never said that there is anything wrong with wanting the whole story, I have simply implied that nothing here shows any kind of justification for the officers actions. I of all people know and believe that there is 3 sides to every story, but on this specific case nothing adds up to Philando having done anything wrong given the facts that we currently have now. In fact the more reports that keep coming out on this particular case the more it convinces me that the officer was clearly using poor judgment on his end. Philando's biggest crime commited was driving without proper registration once. A stand up citizen who was loved in his community and by the children of the school he worked at. This young man made it a point to memorize the names of 500 school children and all their food allergies as he worked in the school cafeteria. Yea this guy is a "scumbag" and deserves to die.

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

While an aspect of this might be true... it needs to be said that such character assassinations happen on both sides of the equation.

Cops are hung by eager cop haters the moment a black man is shot regardless of any circumstances leading to the event.

* It's taken a while, but as these shootings have become the norm... I've developed the ability to wait and see what the story is before jumping to too many conclusions.

I can't imagine any story that might justify the Minnesota shooting, but at the same time and prior to last night... I'm having trouble thinking a cop pulls a black guy over and is intent on murder.

I doubt he intended on murdering anyone when he pulled him over either, but that doesn't change the outcome.

I just get bothered at how much doubt has been placed on the witness. Why do we doubt her version of events so much? I think we should be asking what does she have to gain? And what does the cop have to gain or lose by his telling of how it went down?

She came across as a calm, cool, matter of fact witness to me.....all while the cop was screaming (mostly to himself) and losing his shit. It's a pretty easy call whose version of events sway me at this point. I'm having trouble figuring out what the cop could say that would make me think any different.

And I really doubt there are too many cop haters here. I don't hate them. I'm deeply saddened by the cops that were murdered last night. Nobody deserves that.

I personally just want to see them held accountable when they fuck up. Which seems very rare. I also want to see them do a better job. They need to be better trained and paid better. That should help attract better people and allow PD's to turn down shittier candidates.

I'd agree on the accountability item. For sure. However, let's be honest... there have been incidents where in many people's minds... cops have acted as they should have, yet much of the public refuses to accept their defence.

I'd also agree that it's time to pay the profession and honour it. Make standards exceptionally high and correspond with a compensation package that encourages the best people we have. Police work should be held in the highest of regards. Forces should be able to recruit... not accept live bodies that are remotely fit and do not possess criminal records.

Yup, there are always people on the extreme.

I've personally withheld comment on the Alton Sterling killing because I really can't say it wasn't justified. It looked terrible but if he was in fact trying to get his gun I don't really see what other choice the cops had. And they tried to at least taze him first.....something a lot of other victims were not afforded.

It's the ugly side of the amount of guns in the US. I can't blame some cops for being a little nervous walking up to a car when you have no idea what they might be carrying.

Ray J. T.

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't think it matters one way or another why or when she filmed it. She obviously thought to do so, and did when she could. I don't think anything beyond that should be meaningful because it has absolutely nothing to do with her fiance being shot by that cop IMO. If that cop shot her fiance at point blank range because she had a fucking cell phone in her hand and she was able to just keep on holding the cell phone long after the shooting, well..... I don't think that's really worth thinking about, because it doesn't seem like a reasonable thought to me, because it makes no sense at all. Of course, anyone can think about whatever they want. I just don't see how any of that is relevant.

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just cop apologists trying to muddy the waters. When you got nothing else to hang onto you resort to character assassination. It's happened in all these shootings involving black men.

While an aspect of this might be true... it needs to be said that such character assassinations happen on both sides of the equation.

Cops are hung by eager cop haters the moment a black man is shot regardless of any circumstances leading to the event.

* It's taken a while, but as these shootings have become the norm... I've developed the ability to wait and see what the story is before jumping to too many conclusions.

I can't imagine any story that might justify the Minnesota shooting, but at the same time and prior to last night... I'm having trouble thinking a cop pulls a black guy over and is intent on murder.

I doubt he intended on murdering anyone when he pulled him over either, but that doesn't change the outcome.

I just get bothered at how much doubt has been placed on the witness. Why do we doubt her version of events so much? I think we should be asking what does she have to gain? And what does the cop have to gain or lose by his telling of how it went down?

She came across as a calm, cool, matter of fact witness to me.....all while the cop was screaming (mostly to himself) and losing his shit. It's a pretty easy call whose version of events sway me at this point. I'm having trouble figuring out what the cop could say that would make me think any different.

And I really doubt there are too many cop haters here. I don't hate them. I'm deeply saddened by the cops that were murdered last night. Nobody deserves that.

I personally just want to see them held accountable when they fuck up. Which seems very rare. I also want to see them do a better job. They need to be better trained and paid better. That should help attract better people and allow PD's to turn down shittier candidates.

I'd agree on the accountability item. For sure. However, let's be honest... there have been incidents where in many people's minds... cops have acted as they should have, yet much of the public refuses to accept their defence.

I'd also agree that it's time to pay the profession and honour it. Make standards exceptionally high and correspond with a compensation package that encourages the best people we have. Police work should be held in the highest of regards. Forces should be able to recruit... not accept live bodies that are remotely fit and do not possess criminal records.

Yup, there are always people on the extreme.

I've personally withheld comment on the Alton Sterling killing because I really can't say it wasn't justified. It looked terrible but if he was in fact trying to get his gun I don't really see what other choice the cops had. And they tried to at least taze him first.....something a lot of other victims were not afforded.

It's the ugly side of the amount of guns in the US. I can't blame some cops for being a little nervous walking up to a car when you have no idea what they might be carrying.

I agree with you here on that level. I for one have not said much on the Alton case, as this particular case I would like to see all the facts before making a single comment. I do not know nearly as much about this case, as I know about Philando's. Alton's case is going to be very interesting to see all the facts as to what exactly happened. Either way it is sadly another unfortunate event.