Police shooting people.....

g under p

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

Also, should she be posting on facebook while her boyfriend is dying? Why not call 911? Put pressure on the wound? Something other than posting it to Facebook.

Now you are on to something

I'm not onto any conspiracy theory. It's just an odd thing to do while your boyfriend is dying. I mean her initial reaction after shots were fired were to pull out her phone? Not to protect her child? Or help her fiance? It's an odd reaction. I would like to hear the officers story. I think everyone may be a little too quick to think it happened how she said it happened.

Again you don't know if she didn't do all those things BEFORE the video was shot. She may have done ALL of what you ask but the officer then tells her not move or do anything. So she then possibly decides the only thing I can do is record what is going down and she did.

I've said before if it's not on video that the officer gave the order to get his L&R nothing will happen to this officer.

Peace

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

Any case really.
Public (not black people) want police to wear bodycams for what reason?
Pretty sure this officer had one and the video may/may not be released publicly just in court.
Pics/facebook first or it didn't happen is the society today.

Degeneratefk

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I disagree with that. It's not a defense at all.

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

Also, should she be posting on facebook while her boyfriend is dying? Why not call 911? Put pressure on the wound? Something other than posting it to Facebook.

Now you are on to something

I'm not onto any conspiracy theory. It's just an odd thing to do while your boyfriend is dying. I mean her initial reaction after shots were fired were to pull out her phone? Not to protect her child? Or help her fiance? It's an odd reaction. I would like to hear the officers story. I think everyone may be a little too quick to think it happened how she said it happened.

Again you don't know if she didn't do all those things BEFORE the video was shot. She may have done ALL of what you ask but the officer then tells her not move or do anything. So she then possibly decides the only thing I can do is record what is going down and she did.

I've said before if it's not on video that the officer gave the order to get his L&R nothing will happen to this officer.

Peace

No, I don't know if she did any of those things. My guess is she didnt. Also curious to see if the cop had a body cam.

g under p

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I disagree with that. It's not a defense at all.

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

Also, should she be posting on facebook while her boyfriend is dying? Why not call 911? Put pressure on the wound? Something other than posting it to Facebook.

Now you are on to something

I'm not onto any conspiracy theory. It's just an odd thing to do while your boyfriend is dying. I mean her initial reaction after shots were fired were to pull out her phone? Not to protect her child? Or help her fiance? It's an odd reaction. I would like to hear the officers story. I think everyone may be a little too quick to think it happened how she said it happened.

Again you don't know if she didn't do all those things BEFORE the video was shot. She may have done ALL of what you ask but the officer then tells her not move or do anything. So she then possibly decides the only thing I can do is record what is going down and she did.

I've said before if it's not on video that the officer gave the order to get his L&R nothing will happen to this officer.

Peace

No, I don't know if she did any of those things. My guess is she didnt. Also curious to see if the cop had a body cam.

So I gather then you would be surprised if she did attempt to assist the victim and her child. Well a body camera would to solve some of the mystery in this shooting. It certainly would help to tell the truth as to whether or not the officer gave the order to get his L & R. If the officer did give that order why shoot. Also did the officer while giving this order already had his weapon unholstered?

Peace

PJfanwillneverleave1

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I disagree with that. It's not a defense at all.

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

Also, should she be posting on facebook while her boyfriend is dying? Why not call 911? Put pressure on the wound? Something other than posting it to Facebook.

Now you are on to something

I'm not onto any conspiracy theory. It's just an odd thing to do while your boyfriend is dying. I mean her initial reaction after shots were fired were to pull out her phone? Not to protect her child? Or help her fiance? It's an odd reaction. I would like to hear the officers story. I think everyone may be a little too quick to think it happened how she said it happened.

Again you don't know if she didn't do all those things BEFORE the video was shot. She may have done ALL of what you ask but the officer then tells her not move or do anything. So she then possibly decides the only thing I can do is record what is going down and she did.

I've said before if it's not on video that the officer gave the order to get his L&R nothing will happen to this officer.

Peace

No, I don't know if she did any of those things. My guess is she didnt. Also curious to see if the cop had a body cam.

So I gather then you would be surprised if she did attempt to assist the victim and her child. Well a body camera would to solve some of the mystery in this shooting. It certainly would help to tell the truth as to whether or not the officer gave the order to get his L & R. If the officer did give that order why shoot. Also did the officer while giving this order already had his weapon unholstered?

Peace

We would see if a bodycam video was presented.
We only have one video to look at.

Degeneratefk

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I disagree with that. It's not a defense at all.

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

Also, should she be posting on facebook while her boyfriend is dying? Why not call 911? Put pressure on the wound? Something other than posting it to Facebook.

Now you are on to something

I'm not onto any conspiracy theory. It's just an odd thing to do while your boyfriend is dying. I mean her initial reaction after shots were fired were to pull out her phone? Not to protect her child? Or help her fiance? It's an odd reaction. I would like to hear the officers story. I think everyone may be a little too quick to think it happened how she said it happened.

Again you don't know if she didn't do all those things BEFORE the video was shot. She may have done ALL of what you ask but the officer then tells her not move or do anything. So she then possibly decides the only thing I can do is record what is going down and she did.

I've said before if it's not on video that the officer gave the order to get his L&R nothing will happen to this officer.

Peace

No, I don't know if she did any of those things. My guess is she didnt. Also curious to see if the cop had a body cam.

So I gather then you would be surprised if she did attempt to assist the victim and her child. Well a body camera would to solve some of the mystery in this shooting. It certainly would help to tell the truth as to whether or not the officer gave the order to get his L & R. If the officer did give that order why shoot. Also did the officer while giving this order already had his weapon unholstered?

Peace

No, it wouldn't surprise me as I feel that is the appropriate reaction. And if there was a body cam on that cop, then we won't see it for a while.

You bring up a good question about when the gun was drawn.

g under p

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I disagree with that. It's not a defense at all.

g under p said:

Degeneratefk said:

muskydan said:

Degeneratefk said:

Also, should she be posting on facebook while her boyfriend is dying? Why not call 911? Put pressure on the wound? Something other than posting it to Facebook.

Now you are on to something

I'm not onto any conspiracy theory. It's just an odd thing to do while your boyfriend is dying. I mean her initial reaction after shots were fired were to pull out her phone? Not to protect her child? Or help her fiance? It's an odd reaction. I would like to hear the officers story. I think everyone may be a little too quick to think it happened how she said it happened.

Again you don't know if she didn't do all those things BEFORE the video was shot. She may have done ALL of what you ask but the officer then tells her not move or do anything. So she then possibly decides the only thing I can do is record what is going down and she did.

I've said before if it's not on video that the officer gave the order to get his L&R nothing will happen to this officer.

Peace

No, I don't know if she did any of those things. My guess is she didnt. Also curious to see if the cop had a body cam.

So I gather then you would be surprised if she did attempt to assist the victim and her child. Well a body camera would to solve some of the mystery in this shooting. It certainly would help to tell the truth as to whether or not the officer gave the order to get his L & R. If the officer did give that order why shoot. Also did the officer while giving this order already had his weapon unholstered?

Peace

We would see if a bodycam video was presented.
We only have one video to look at.

Correct, at this point we only have the video given to look at. The police dept could've have the bodycam video but have not released it as yet. I mean in these shootings many depts don't want to release the names of their officers in order to protect their identity. So all we can do for now is wait and see as to what will come about this shooting.

Peace

my2hands

jeffbr said:

All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

dignin

my2hands said:

jeffbr said:

All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

If you ignore all the evidence to the contrary. Then yeah, nothing to see here.

cincybearcat

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

And I agree with you. Its the new fad for Police Officers.
Guilty until proven innocent.

You know that's BS. How many convictions have you seen?

Ledbetterman10

cincybearcat said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

And I agree with you. Its the new fad for Police Officers.
Guilty until proven innocent.

You know that's BS. How many convictions have you seen?

Exactly. Maybe they're in the court of public opinion (which doesn't matter), but more often than not they're not convicted on criminal charges.

The whole situation is sad. Of all the police officers in the country, I'd say that 1% are racist morons. Just like a percentage of every single group of people on earth are racist morons. But cops, equipped with so much authority (and guns) simply can't be racist....

And they can't be stupid either. Like the cop in the second shooting this weekend, where the girlfriend videotaped the aftermath in the car, 1) he could have absolutely used his tazer if he felt threatened, 2) If he insisted in using his gun, one shot could have sufficed, and 3) shouldn't the cop immediately try to assist the man who was bleeding to death? Like try to stop the bleeding somehow?

jeffbr

dignin said:

my2hands said:

jeffbr said:

All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

If you ignore all the evidence to the contrary. Then yeah, nothing to see here.

What evidence to the contrary? I'm not talking about trends or stats. I'm talking about these two specific shootings. They were completely different circumstances, completely different types of victims (one was a known criminal shitbag who was threatening the public with a weapon, the other a high school cafeteria supervisor with a concealed carry permit minding his own business). Perhaps it is you who is ignoring evidence and relying on generalizations. I believe those generalizations are important to consider for context, but I also believe evidence in each specific case is needed before cops are lynched. Who are you accusing of ignoring evidence?

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Yes, more facts. All I've seen so far is a video after the fact and the girlfriend giving her side of the story.
If her story is true then yes, very bad. The very best we could hope for is the cop was paranoid with an itchy trigger finger. What I haven't seen (don't know if it's out yet?) is any other footage, what happened prior to the shooting, the cops side of the story.
Did no one not learn anything from Ferguson and rushing to judgment? "Hands up don't shoot" never happened, it was proven with physical evidence that many "eye witnesses
weren't even at the scene, and that there was a struggle at the police car.
So what more do I want? A full investigation and a complete story before I wish to judgment. If he was ordered to take out his ID and was then shot, then yes the cop should punished for that. But lets at least hear his side and see some evidence before we crucify him.

pjalive21

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I think this question I have is a pretty good one...

if you just saw your bf get shot for just going to get his license why in the hell then do you think you can grab your phone and start recording?? the danger for her getting shot is the moment her bf got shot. why didn't she start recording when the incident started?

cp3iverson

The Minnesota case is a tragedy. The Dallas situation is beyond awful. Sad week for mankind.

eddiec

pjalive21 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I think this question I have is a pretty good one...

if you just saw your bf get shot for just going to get his license why in the hell then do you think you can grab your phone and start recording?? the danger for her getting shot is the moment her bf got shot. why didn't she start recording when the incident started?

Because she didn't expect him to get shot. I think that answers it.

mace1229

eddiec said:

pjalive21 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I think this question I have is a pretty good one...

if you just saw your bf get shot for just going to get his license why in the hell then do you think you can grab your phone and start recording?? the danger for her getting shot is the moment her bf got shot. why didn't she start recording when the incident started?

Because she didn't expect him to get shot. I think that answers it.

No she probably didn't but that doesn't pertain to the question.
I think its a good question. Doesn't mean she's lying, just a good question to ask. She took her phone out after he was shot. If the person next to you got shot for taking out his ID, I think its fair to say what made you feel safe enough to take your phone out? But then again if he was even reaching for a gun, why would you reach for a phone in either case. Just another reason to not rush to judgment. I've only heard one side of the story so far. He may be guilty, we don't know.

PJ_Soul

pjalive21 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I think this question I have is a pretty good one...

if you just saw your bf get shot for just going to get his license why in the hell then do you think you can grab your phone and start recording?? the danger for her getting shot is the moment her bf got shot. why didn't she start recording when the incident started?

If I was a black person in America I actually think I would think to film any and all incidents between myself and the police, or any that happened anywhere near me. The more severe the incident, the more likely I would be to try and record it. I think past events have taught African-Americans that this is a very good idea. I imagine that she starting filming as soon as it occurred to her to do so. I personally would not think of doing this in my current life because I am a white woman in Canada. But why are you even asking these questions? I honestly don't see anything to be "suspicious of", if that is what you're thinking. Also, why are you assuming she had to take her phone "out"? It could easily have already been in her hand, on her lap, on the dashboard, on the centre console, wherever. Anyway, I just don't understand why you think this is a topic worth focusing on.

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

PJ_Soul said:

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
It is the society of today.
Pics/facebook or it didn't happen.

In this case that would probably literally be true. Black people are on high alertnwuen it comes to police shootings now. They want to get it on film because it is their only defense.

I think this question I have is a pretty good one...

if you just saw your bf get shot for just going to get his license why in the hell then do you think you can grab your phone and start recording?? the danger for her getting shot is the moment her bf got shot. why didn't she start recording when the incident started?

If I was a black person in America I actually think I would think to film any and all incidents between myself and the police, or any that happened anywhere near me. The more severe the incident, the more likely I would be to try and record it. I think past events have taught African-Americans that this is a very good idea. I imagine that she starting filming as soon as it occurred to her to do so. I personally would not think of doing this in my current life because I am a white woman in Canada. But why are you even asking these questions? I honestly don't see anything to be "suspicious of", if that is what you're thinking. Also, why are you assuming she had to take her phone "out"? It could easily have already been in her hand, on her lap, on the dashboard, on the centre console, wherever. Anyway, I just don't understand why you think this is a topic worth focusing on.

I don't think it means anything yet, but should be asked. It could help her case. If she says she always takes her phone out to record police that makes sense, or that her insurance information is saved on her phone so she was getting it out when asked that makes sense too. If she says the cop repeatedly told her keep her hands on the wheel then was yelling at her to do so, but didn't like the way he was asking so she was getting it out to record how he was yelling at her to keep her hands visible, that could explain why the cop got scared and had an itchy trigger finger. I think every possible question should be asked in this case to learn as much as possible, and not just assume the cop is guilty or innocent.