Police shooting people.....

PJ_Soul

pjalive21 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

my2hands said:

pjalive21 said:

innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?

60 Murders in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

I think people do give a shit. But I don't think it's fair to compare those shootings (pretty much all gang shootings) to police shootings. Apples and oranges. There are so many factors that make those two separate issues.

lukin2006

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

mickeyrat

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

g under p

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

I think you are combing two different shooting victims. Alton Sterling is the one with the extensive criminal record......Philando Castile had a license to carry with apparently no criminal record, he was shot and killed in MN.

PEACE

lukin2006

mickeyrat said:

pjalive21 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

this woman's poor child...now that gets me

informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

anything else you want?

Are sure he was licensed to carry a gun? He supposedly had an extensive criminal record ... how are you legally able to buy a gun with a criminal record?

jeffbr

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

Sterling was the NOLA shooting. He was a shitbag, and based on the little we've read about the case, while the cops may have acted rashly, this looks justified. The cops were initially called to the scene because he was pointing his gun at someone. He was resisting, and apparently reaching for his gun while being restrained. Fuck him.

The other case was pretty clear cut murder by cop. The poor guy got pulled over for a broken tail light, had a concealed carry permit, was asked to produce it, and was shot while attempting to comply. Fuck the cop.

That's the problem with people on either side making blanket statements about white cops shooting black people. All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

(edit: The following post was written when I thought were talking about the Minnesota victim, since he was the one who was supposedly reaching for his carry permit, not the guy in Baton Rouge)

You might want to ask that in the American gun violence thread! But here is the info on getting a permit in Minnesota: http://www.usacarry.com/minnesota_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

.... and here is Minnesota Statute 624.714: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.714&format=pdf

.... Aaaaaannnnd I don't have time to research all of these to figure out if he was really legally allowed to be issued a permit: (i) 518B.01, subdivision 14;
(ii) 609.224, subdivision 3;
(iii) 609.2242, subdivision 3;
(iv) 609.749, subdivision 8;
(v) 624.713;
(vi) 624.719;
(vii) 629.715, subdivision 2;
(viii) 629.72, subdivision 2; or
(ix) any federal law;

And I don't know if he was listed in the criminal gang investigative data system under section 299C.091.

It doesn't seem to me that it says convicted criminals are necessarily exempt. But if he had one, then the country Sheriff's office thought it was okay.

Jesus. Um, yeah, America has a problem with their gun laws. Holy crap.

mcgruff10

jeffbr said:

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

Sterling was the NOLA shooting. He was a shitbag, and based on the little we've read about the case, while the cops may have acted rashly, this looks justified. The cops were initially called to the scene because he was pointing his gun at someone. He was resisting, and apparently reaching for his gun while being restrained. Fuck him.

The other case was pretty clear cut murder by cop. The poor guy got pulled over for a broken tail light, had a concealed carry permit, was asked to produce it, and was shot while attempting to comply. Fuck the cop.

That's the problem with people on either side making blanket statements about white cops shooting black people. All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

Very well said bud

lukin2006

jeffbr said:

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

Sterling was the NOLA shooting. He was a shitbag, and based on the little we've read about the case, while the cops may have acted rashly, this looks justified. The cops were initially called to the scene because he was pointing his gun at someone. He was resisting, and apparently reaching for his gun while being restrained. Fuck him.

The other case was pretty clear cut murder by cop. The poor guy got pulled over for a broken tail light, had a concealed carry permit, was asked to produce it, and was shot while attempting to comply. Fuck the cop.

That's the problem with people on either side making blanket statements about white cops shooting black people. All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

The way you spelled his last name is the same spelling as the person mentioned in the article posted by the OP ... my spelling was incorrect, none the less, the name i've googled is coming up as the Baton Rouge victim and many articles mention extensive criminal record ... if so, how can you own a gun legally?

g under p

lukin2006 said:

jeffbr said:

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

Sterling was the NOLA shooting. He was a shitbag, and based on the little we've read about the case, while the cops may have acted rashly, this looks justified. The cops were initially called to the scene because he was pointing his gun at someone. He was resisting, and apparently reaching for his gun while being restrained. Fuck him.

The other case was pretty clear cut murder by cop. The poor guy got pulled over for a broken tail light, had a concealed carry permit, was asked to produce it, and was shot while attempting to comply. Fuck the cop.

That's the problem with people on either side making blanket statements about white cops shooting black people. All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

The way you spelled his last name is the same spelling as the person mentioned in the article posted by the OP ... my spelling was incorrect, none the less, the name i've googled is coming up as the Baton Rouge victim and many articles mention extensive criminal record ... if so, how can you own a gun legally?

I'll ask you where do you get the idea that Sterling the LA shooting victim owned a gun LEGALLY?

Peace

jeffbr

lukin2006 said:

jeffbr said:

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

Sterling was the NOLA shooting. He was a shitbag, and based on the little we've read about the case, while the cops may have acted rashly, this looks justified. The cops were initially called to the scene because he was pointing his gun at someone. He was resisting, and apparently reaching for his gun while being restrained. Fuck him.

The other case was pretty clear cut murder by cop. The poor guy got pulled over for a broken tail light, had a concealed carry permit, was asked to produce it, and was shot while attempting to comply. Fuck the cop.

That's the problem with people on either side making blanket statements about white cops shooting black people. All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

The way you spelled his last name is the same spelling as the person mentioned in the article posted by the OP ... my spelling was incorrect, none the less, the name i've googled is coming up as the Baton Rouge victim and many articles mention extensive criminal record ... if so, how can you own a gun legally?

The Baton Rouge guy is Alton Sterling. He apparently had an extensive criminal record and DID NOT have a concealed carry permit. He was a criminal and an idiot and paid for his behavior with his life.

The guy who had a concealed carry permit was named Philando Castile, was a high school cafeteria manager from a St. Paul, Minnesota suburb, and was murdered by a cop.

Two completely different shootings with completely different circumstances. In this country a felon is not allowed to be in possession of a firearm, so naturally would never be issued a concealed carry permit or be allowed to purchase a firearm.

lukin2006

jeffbr said:

lukin2006 said:

jeffbr said:

lukin2006 said:

So whats the background of Alton Stirling ... I've read that he has an extensive criminal record? Is this true? If so...how could he be carrying legally? You can carry guns in the USA with an extensive criminal record..? and be allowed a concealed carry permit? Am I missing something.

Sterling was the NOLA shooting. He was a shitbag, and based on the little we've read about the case, while the cops may have acted rashly, this looks justified. The cops were initially called to the scene because he was pointing his gun at someone. He was resisting, and apparently reaching for his gun while being restrained. Fuck him.

The other case was pretty clear cut murder by cop. The poor guy got pulled over for a broken tail light, had a concealed carry permit, was asked to produce it, and was shot while attempting to comply. Fuck the cop.

That's the problem with people on either side making blanket statements about white cops shooting black people. All of these cases are situational, and shouldn't be lumped together.

The way you spelled his last name is the same spelling as the person mentioned in the article posted by the OP ... my spelling was incorrect, none the less, the name i've googled is coming up as the Baton Rouge victim and many articles mention extensive criminal record ... if so, how can you own a gun legally?

The Baton Rouge guy is Alton Sterling. He apparently had an extensive criminal record and DID NOT have a concealed carry permit. He was a criminal and an idiot and paid for his behavior with his life.

The guy who had a concealed carry permit was named Philando Castile, was a high school cafeteria manager from a St. Paul, Minnesota suburb, and was murdered by a cop.

Two completely different shootings with completely different circumstances. In this country a felon is not allowed to be in possession of a firearm, so naturally would never be issued a concealed carry permit or be allowed to purchase a firearm.

Understood ... sorry for the confusion and thanks for clarifying ... silly me I was making comments based on the original article posted by the OP.

g under p

Btw In the shooting MN.....if the police officer's order of give me you license and registration is NOT on video......nothing will happen to this officer. Other than administrative leave with pay.

Peace

mcgruff10

g under p said:

Btw In the shooting MN.....if the police officer's order of give me you license and registration is NOT on video......nothing will happen to this officer. Other than administrative leave with pay.

Peace

I m shocked how relaxed and cool headed the girlfriend was during the whole incident.

EM194007

mcgruff10 said:

g under p said:

Btw In the shooting MN.....if the police officer's order of give me you license and registration is NOT on video......nothing will happen to this officer. Other than administrative leave with pay.

Peace

I m shocked how relaxed and cool headed the girlfriend was during the whole incident.

Yep, there is a lot more to the story.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/#comments

lukin2006

Actually from Mickey ... just a few post above this ... but did not realize he was referring to the Minnesota incident, and my comments were based off the original article and I did not read every single post, so therefore I did not realize that we were discussing a second incident ... my mistake. But can you blame me ... hell this place will have several different threads started on the most trivial of topics but these 2 shootings don't get a thread each?

mcgruff10

EM194007 said:

mcgruff10 said:

g under p said:

Btw In the shooting MN.....if the police officer's order of give me you license and registration is NOT on video......nothing will happen to this officer. Other than administrative leave with pay.

Peace

I m shocked how relaxed and cool headed the girlfriend was during the whole incident.

Yep, there is a lot more to the story.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/#comments

I agree there s more to this story than meets the eye but is that article from a credible news agency?

jeffbr

mcgruff10 said:

EM194007 said:

mcgruff10 said:

g under p said:

Btw In the shooting MN.....if the police officer's order of give me you license and registration is NOT on video......nothing will happen to this officer. Other than administrative leave with pay.

Peace

I m shocked how relaxed and cool headed the girlfriend was during the whole incident.

Yep, there is a lot more to the story.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/#comments

I agree there s more to this story than meets the eye but is that article from a credible news agency?

The article read more like the National Enquirer. His claim to fame is that Drudge picks him up sometimes. But I am a bit disturbed by some of the facebook images and postings contained in the article. I imagine there are important pieces of the story still to come.

dignin

EM194007 said:

mcgruff10 said:

g under p said:

Btw In the shooting MN.....if the police officer's order of give me you license and registration is NOT on video......nothing will happen to this officer. Other than administrative leave with pay.

Peace

I m shocked how relaxed and cool headed the girlfriend was during the whole incident.

Yep, there is a lot more to the story.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/#comments

What fuckin' garbage that site was. Credibility out the window.

Let the victim blaming begin.

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