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Yeah, if the public just acted perfectly all the time....we wouldn't need police.
What fucking dream world are some people living in. Eye roll emoji.0 -
But in the short term, I don't think the answer is to ask police people to take unnecessary risks.dignin said:
Well we can control one half of the equation with better police standards and training....we could begin that change today. Making the public smarter? Well, good luck with that.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I think it's a two way street. I think the public needs to understand the situation with a remote level of intelligence. If the public doesn't give police a reason to escalate their response levels... we'll see far fewer of these cell phone videos.dignin said:
That was great. Thanks for sharing Free.Free said:'It's Not Us vs. Them'
One police chief's humble solution to violence.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/its-not-us-vs-them/490493/
From the tiny town of Kenyon, Minnesota, Police Chief Lee Sjolander has a message for the 12,000 other police districts across the country.
Writing from his department’s Facebook page this morning, he advocates a humble role of public servitude that is antithetical to the toxic masculinity with which some police departments have been infected. “If I were your chief,” he writes, “and we worked for the same agency, serving the same great community, I would attend roll call, and here is what I would say”:We have calls for service that we need to respond to. We have a grateful public that needs us, we have responsibilities. Yes, there are those out here who do not like us, or what we represent. It's been that way long before I or you became officers, and it will be that way long after we're gone.
I, as well as the public we serve have certain expectations, and we would all like them met when you can.
Here are just a few...
We expect you to be kind, we expect you to be fair, we expect you to be professional, and we expect you to do the best you can on every call for service.
We expect you to know the difference between the letter of the law, and the spirit of the law, and when to use your best discretion.
We expect you to leave people better than you found them when you can, and never take away someone’s dignity.
We expect you to be well-trained, and to know when, and when not to apply your training.
We expect you to be human. That means it's ok to laugh, cry, and be scared at times.
I want you to remember why you chose to answer this public service calling. I hope it was to be part of something bigger than yourself, I hope it was to serve the public that we love, and I hope it was to build relationships with coworkers, as well as our public.
I hope you chose this calling because you love having a front row seat into the lives of people, love problem solving, and know that what you do makes your family and friends proud.
Yes, we are all sharing in some dark times right now. But, we still expect you to be brilliant at the basics and do your job to the best of your abilities. ...
I expect you to patrol your areas with a smile on your face, kindness in your heart, calmness in your soul, and a wave to those you see. I expect you to get out of your patrol car and visit. I want you to listen to the compliments, the concerns, take them all in, and remember, it's not "us vs. them"
I expect you to show others that we are better than these tragedies, and we are striving to be better in so many ways.
I expect you to be safe at work, and at home. I hope you visit with your family openly about the current state of our nation, and how if we give into fear, violence, propaganda, etc. we will not be part of the solution.
If you or another member of our public service family is struggling, I expect you to get help, and I expect you to help others. I promise you, there is no shame in seeking help and being well.
I, as well as so many others are here for you. If you need me, I will be just a phone call, or radio call away.
I truly appreciate, and love each and everyone of you.
Stay safe,
Lee
I truly believe that change has to start with the way police deal with the public. Then the public will follow and change the way they interact with the police.
Besides, it's the police serving the public...not the other way around. We have to start somewhere because status quo is obviously not working.
Edit: I think I fixed the messed up quote
With regards to the status quo... I'd be curious to know where you sit with my last post in the Police Abuse thread."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I see a lot of how the police can change, but can we also have a conversation as to how some in the black community need to change. There is a culture in the portions of the black community that have no respect for anything. I have seen the videos of the projects, I have worked in black neighborhoods. There is a portion that do not have any respect for their fellow man, for other peoples property, for each other. I don't know, there is no simple answer, but I do not believe this is all the police or all the whites or all the blacks or all the whoever fault. Each party has a part in the current discourse. Until everyone can admit that we will not be able to move forward.96 Randall's Island II
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Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
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They... with 'at least one more'?PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
No. 'They' were two. There was not 'at least one more'. And that pin wouldn't have won a wrestling match. They were close, but the deal wasn't sealed from my perspective.
There's new video. It's from the other side. They are trying to restrain him. He is resisting even as they get him to the ground. It's still unclear at this point exactly what Alston did with regards to reaching for his weapon, but he was struggling to do something. After the shots are fired... the one cop secures the gun from his pocket and cusses. I would have too.
If video emerges definitively showing no attempt at the weapon and demonstrating the officer freaked out at the sight of it... I'd be prepared to change my tune. If new video showed he made an effort to get his gun... would you change yours?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
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I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.0 -
"But can we also have a conversation as how some in the black community need to change".... I hate to inform you of this Dirty, but that Be Racist. Ain't nobody got time for that kind of talk.Dirtie_Frank said:I see a lot of how the police can change, but can we also have a conversation as to how some in the black community need to change. There is a culture in the portions of the black community that have no respect for anything. I have seen the videos of the projects, I have worked in black neighborhoods. There is a portion that do not have any respect for their fellow man, for other peoples property, for each other. I don't know, there is no simple answer, but I do not believe this is all the police or all the whites or all the blacks or all the whoever fault. Each party has a part in the current discourse. Until everyone can admit that we will not be able to move forward.
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Quick, change the colour. Change the colour!muskydan said:
"But can we also have a conversation as how some in the black community need to change".... I hate to inform you of this Dirty, but that Be Racist. Ain't nobody got time for that kind of talk.Dirtie_Frank said:I see a lot of how the police can change, but can we also have a conversation as to how some in the black community need to change. There is a culture in the portions of the black community that have no respect for anything. I have seen the videos of the projects, I have worked in black neighborhoods. There is a portion that do not have any respect for their fellow man, for other peoples property, for each other. I don't know, there is no simple answer, but I do not believe this is all the police or all the whites or all the blacks or all the whoever fault. Each party has a part in the current discourse. Until everyone can admit that we will not be able to move forward.
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Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.0 -
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Police restraining someone with a gun is one thing. Unless completely unprovoked, that is not an attack.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
Being raped is.
I can accept that we see the scenarios differently.0 -
I'm curious to know how Obama has slapped a target on the back of police officers? What specifically has he done?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Quick, change the colour. Change the colour!muskydan said:
"But can we also have a conversation as how some in the black community need to change".... I hate to inform you of this Dirty, but that Be Racist. Ain't nobody got time for that kind of talk.Dirtie_Frank said:I see a lot of how the police can change, but can we also have a conversation as to how some in the black community need to change. There is a culture in the portions of the black community that have no respect for anything. I have seen the videos of the projects, I have worked in black neighborhoods. There is a portion that do not have any respect for their fellow man, for other peoples property, for each other. I don't know, there is no simple answer, but I do not believe this is all the police or all the whites or all the blacks or all the whoever fault. Each party has a part in the current discourse. Until everyone can admit that we will not be able to move forward.
edit - liking the new avatar musky"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Thank you, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his.
And thank goodness for the music that took me off the bull-in-a-china-shop mindset.
Currently, and funnily enough, Folsom Prison Blues here at the moment
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Your missing it. When you struggle with police the only way your struggle will end is when you end it yourself.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his.
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No. I get it. I just think there are multiple other analogies that work better and offend less.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Your missing it. When you struggle with police the only way your struggle will end is when you end it yourself.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Art is subjective just like political cartoons.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'm curious to know how Obama has slapped a target on the back of police officers? What specifically has he done?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Quick, change the colour. Change the colour!muskydan said:
"But can we also have a conversation as how some in the black community need to change".... I hate to inform you of this Dirty, but that Be Racist. Ain't nobody got time for that kind of talk.Dirtie_Frank said:I see a lot of how the police can change, but can we also have a conversation as to how some in the black community need to change. There is a culture in the portions of the black community that have no respect for anything. I have seen the videos of the projects, I have worked in black neighborhoods. There is a portion that do not have any respect for their fellow man, for other peoples property, for each other. I don't know, there is no simple answer, but I do not believe this is all the police or all the whites or all the blacks or all the whoever fault. Each party has a part in the current discourse. Until everyone can admit that we will not be able to move forward.
edit - liking the new avatar musky
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Ok. Do you have another example where as humans in a situation where flight is no longer an option and the only outcome is death or submission, submission prevails?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
No. I get it. I just think there are multiple other analogies that work better and offend less.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Your missing it. When you struggle with police the only way your struggle will end is when you end it yourself.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his.0 -
A toddler in trouble and resisting his parents.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Ok. Do you have another example where as humans in a situation where flight is no longer an option and the only outcome is death or submission, submission prevails?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
No. I get it. I just think there are multiple other analogies that work better and offend less.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Your missing it. When you struggle with police the only way your struggle will end is when you end it yourself.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
How about if you are a convicted felon and have an illegal gun on you don't resist being arrested.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Your missing it. When you struggle with police the only way your struggle will end is when you end it yourself.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bobby Knight once said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Getting to a point in the struggle and knowing that the only way to survive the attack is to let it happen is what it was to be interpreted as.hedonist said:
I really can't tell if you're sincere, but are you suggesting someone being raped is better off just lying back and taking some violent fuck's dick (or worse) vs fighting back?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
It is like rape. The more the victim struggles the worse it is for them.PJ_Soul said:
Because they had him pinned to the ground with a knee on his neck and at least one more cop there to restrain his arms.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Why do you say their lives weren't in danger?PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. Those cops' lives were not actually in danger, and that is the problem. They just wanted the guy to stop squirming to make it easier for them, so they shot him in the head.jnimhaoileoin said:Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon
The victim either has to fight which often leads to their violent demise or give up and let it happen.
As long as this guy was resisting while not in hancuffs and hogtied like a pig and was carrying a weapon the police were not safe.
Yeah, I lean toward the latter.
Sorry, but comparing this to rape...two completely different situations and while I can appreciate the parallels you're trying to put forth, that is a fucked up analogy.
I hope you can see that.
It might have been one of the more insensitive things I've ever heard. PJFan... your comments are very close to his.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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