Police shooting people.....

mace1229

I don't see anything wrong with pulling someone over who "looks like our guy" when referring to a robbery suspect.
He probably was a good guy, and it is a shame this happened. No one has said he deserved this
It would add to that shame if it turns out there was a legitimate explanation but this cop has already moved due to numerous death threats and forced to quit his job.

It is entirely possible the girlfriend may be 100% accurate in her account and the cop had some racially motivated reason to just shoot him. Seems doubtful he'd decide to do that at a traffic stop with 2 other people in the car, but yeah possible.

Its possible the victim was nervous about being pulled over and through his nervousness was noncompliant and the cop over reacted?-Sure, its happened before.

Or perhaps the cop didn't hear him declare he had a weapon and then freaked out when he saw it. Would the cop be at fault for over reacting? Absolutely. Would I call him a murderer and declare open season again-probably not.

Is it possible the girlfriend made up her statements? I actually don't think she did, but its entirely possible. There's a thousand other scenarios that could have happened, and my point is we really have no idea.

Even OJ Simpson would look innocent if we only heard his side (and apparently just a poor version of the other side as well), so why all the rush? The truth will eventually come out.

Some of you will disagree, but I feel bad for Darren Wilson. He had his family received deaths threats to the point he had to relocate, his career was destroyed, his name and image will always be tarnished, all while having a baby. This was a result of lies that were spread because I believe he was 100% justified in his shooting once the facts were out. Why would anyone want to repeat this?

I cant remember anyone defending that cop in SC after that video came out of shooting the guy in the back. I believe it would be the same outcome if after all the facts are in it looks just as bad for this cop, but we just don't know enough yet.

Ray J. T.

mace1229 said:

I don't see anything wrong with pulling someone over who "looks like our guy" when referring to a robbery suspect.
He probably was a good guy, and it is a shame this happened. No one has said he deserved this
It would add to that shame if it turns out there was a legitimate explanation but this cop has already moved due to numerous death threats and forced to quit his job.

It is entirely possible the girlfriend may be 100% accurate in her account and the cop had some racially motivated reason to just shoot him. Seems doubtful he'd decide to do that at a traffic stop with 2 other people in the car, but yeah possible.

Its possible the victim was nervous about being pulled over and through his nervousness was noncompliant and the cop over reacted?-Sure, its happened before.

Or perhaps the cop didn't hear him declare he had a weapon and then freaked out when he saw it. Would the cop be at fault for over reacting? Absolutely. Would I call him a murderer and declare open season again-probably not.

Is it possible the girlfriend made up her statements? I actually don't think she did, but its entirely possible. There's a thousand other scenarios that could have happened, and my point is we really have no idea.

Even OJ Simpson would look innocent if we only heard his side (and apparently just a poor version of the other side as well), so why all the rush? The truth will eventually come out.

Some of you will disagree, but I feel bad for Darren Wilson. He had his family received deaths threats to the point he had to relocate, his career was destroyed, his name and image will always be tarnished, all while having a baby. This was a result of lies that were spread because I believe he was 100% justified in his shooting once the facts were out. Why would anyone want to repeat this?

I cant remember anyone defending that cop in SC after that video came out of shooting the guy in the back. I believe it would be the same outcome if after all the facts are in it looks just as bad for this cop, but we just don't know enough yet.

In this particular situation it just looks like the officer was profiling, and making a statement of this being "our guy" because of race. It speaks volumes when the Mayor is saying in not so many words that this case started because of the officer profiling and using poor judgment.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/appalled-minnesota-governor-says-philando-castile-would-be-alive-if-n605496

cp3iverson

That case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that. Should have just arrested him and tased him again.

PJ_Soul

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

Wow.

The cops spoke to him- he disregarded them.
The cops tasted him- he resisted.
The cops wrestled him to the ground- he fought them as they did it.

Then... this is where things get dicey. At this point, if he was going for his gun because he could get to it... I don't blame the officers one bit. At all.

Laughably, you suggest that even if he could get his gun at that point after all the other law enforcement steps had occurred the officers should have... ? ... I don't know... go for a chicken wing hold and see how that might work?

Get serious. A cop hesitating at that moment might have made the difference between life and death for the officers called to duty.

If they were hell bent on killing the black man... I highly doubt they would have wrestled him to the ground to take a shot point blank- way too much risk.

I could be wrong. Even still... at this point... I'll give the officers the benefit of the doubt over the violent sex offender who was tussling with them on video.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

This was a shitbag criminal who was already allegedly brandishing a gun. He had a taser used on him, he continued to resist. They were attempting to restrain him and he was continuing to fight. If he'd thrown one off and had free access to his arm and pocket there would have potentially been dead cops. His criminal past (which I find very relevant and informative), and his present behavior (brandishing/threatening w/ a firearm and resisting) obviously presented a danger to the community and to the cops trying to secure him. Unless something completely damning of the cops comes to light, this was a case of an idiot getting exactly what he deserved, and society benefits from the trash being taken out. This case is 180 degrees different than the St. Paul shooting. I don't understand how anyone is attempting to portray this piece of shit as any kind of victim (except I guess he's the victim of his own bad behavior). He had been arrested for domestic violence, aggravated battery, weapons charges, and was a registered sex offender convicted of screwing a juvenile. I guess we're all operating with limited information, but from the information that has been presented, from witnesses, from video, etc... I'm siding with the cops on this one, and against the cops in the St. Paul shooting.

PJ_Soul

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

This was a shitbag criminal who was already allegedly brandishing a gun. He had a taser used on him, he continued to resist. They were attempting to restrain him and he was continuing to fight. If he'd thrown one off and had free access to his arm and pocket there would have potentially been dead cops. His criminal past (which I find very relevant and informative), and his present behavior (brandishing/threatening w/ a firearm and resisting) obviously presented a danger to the community and to the cops trying to secure him. Unless something completely damning of the cops comes to light, this was a case of an idiot getting exactly what he deserved, and society benefits from the trash being taken out. This case is 180 degrees different than the St. Paul shooting. I don't understand how anyone is attempting to portray this piece of shit as any kind of victim (except I guess he's the victim of his own bad behavior). He had been arrested for domestic violence, aggravated battery, weapons charges, and was a registered sex offender convicted of screwing a juvenile. I guess we're all operating with limited information, but from the information that has been presented, from witnesses, from video, etc... I'm siding with the cops on this one, and against the cops in the St. Paul shooting.

I already said I'm not buying excuses like that and that his criminal history is irrelevant.
Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.
I do agree that this case and the Minnesota case aren't one in the same though.

Free

Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.

Pretty important enough to repeat.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Free said:

Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.

Pretty important enough to repeat.

Agreed.

But a cop is allowed to defend his life when a scumbag is trying to take it.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

This was a shitbag criminal who was already allegedly brandishing a gun. He had a taser used on him, he continued to resist. They were attempting to restrain him and he was continuing to fight. If he'd thrown one off and had free access to his arm and pocket there would have potentially been dead cops. His criminal past (which I find very relevant and informative), and his present behavior (brandishing/threatening w/ a firearm and resisting) obviously presented a danger to the community and to the cops trying to secure him. Unless something completely damning of the cops comes to light, this was a case of an idiot getting exactly what he deserved, and society benefits from the trash being taken out. This case is 180 degrees different than the St. Paul shooting. I don't understand how anyone is attempting to portray this piece of shit as any kind of victim (except I guess he's the victim of his own bad behavior). He had been arrested for domestic violence, aggravated battery, weapons charges, and was a registered sex offender convicted of screwing a juvenile. I guess we're all operating with limited information, but from the information that has been presented, from witnesses, from video, etc... I'm siding with the cops on this one, and against the cops in the St. Paul shooting.

I already said I'm not buying excuses like that and that his criminal history is irrelevant.
Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.
I do agree that this case and the Minnesota case aren't one in the same though.

We'll disagree that past behavior may be indicative of future behavior then. I see patterns rather than random occurrences. And I agree with you that resisting arrest isn't punishable by death. But if a cop is facing a threat to his life he is and should be able to defend himself. They didn't come out firing at him. They tried to restrain him. They tried to Taser him. They tried to subdue him. He continued to fight and to pose a threat. That is why he was shot. Not simply because he was resisting. Big difference.

Dirtie_Frank

Free said:

Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.

Pretty important enough to repeat.

True but if you are a cop and are called to a scene and you were told that the suspect had a gun, wouldn't you have a bit of adrenaline pumping?

cp3iverson

^^^fair point for sure. Very tough situation. Its a hard job but cops have to be so careful not to cross that line and become the criminal

Degeneratefk

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

This was a shitbag criminal who was already allegedly brandishing a gun. He had a taser used on him, he continued to resist. They were attempting to restrain him and he was continuing to fight. If he'd thrown one off and had free access to his arm and pocket there would have potentially been dead cops. His criminal past (which I find very relevant and informative), and his present behavior (brandishing/threatening w/ a firearm and resisting) obviously presented a danger to the community and to the cops trying to secure him. Unless something completely damning of the cops comes to light, this was a case of an idiot getting exactly what he deserved, and society benefits from the trash being taken out. This case is 180 degrees different than the St. Paul shooting. I don't understand how anyone is attempting to portray this piece of shit as any kind of victim (except I guess he's the victim of his own bad behavior). He had been arrested for domestic violence, aggravated battery, weapons charges, and was a registered sex offender convicted of screwing a juvenile. I guess we're all operating with limited information, but from the information that has been presented, from witnesses, from video, etc... I'm siding with the cops on this one, and against the cops in the St. Paul shooting.

I already said I'm not buying excuses like that and that his criminal history is irrelevant.
Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.
I do agree that this case and the Minnesota case aren't one in the same though.

Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death, but going for your gun while Resisting....

Free

No Buts. Resisting arrest isnt punishable by death.

cp3iverson said:

^^^fair point for sure. Very tough situation. Its a hard job but cops have to be so careful not to cross that line and become the criminal

Yes

Thirty Bills Unpaid

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

cp3iverson said:

Alton's case isnt as cut and dry. You're dealing with a career violent criminal who wasnt even allowed to own a gun. That doesnt allow anyone to kill him but its ridiculous that a man who raped and beat people is now a martyr. A dumb cop helped do that

True... I'm not too sure what's up with the gun part. Did he have a gun or not?? Either way, he was pinned face first on the ground by at least 2 cops in the video, so I can't say I understand how the cops thought their safety or their lives were at risk while they were kneeling on the guys neck - not enough at risk to justifiably press a gun against the back the head of a prone man that they're on top of - and pull the trigger. Even if he maybe had a gun IN HIS POCKET, how did they figure he'd manage to get it out of his pocket and fire it in that position? The cops completely had the upper hand already. If that answer to that is some elaborate "what if" scenario, where perhaps he moves his knee that way and his arm that way, and IF the cop happened to slip at the time and lose his balance long enough for this dude to get the gun out of his pocket and then get a shot off with the maybe-gun, then I'm not buying that as an excuse at all. I don't think I get why this case is being looked at as maybe kinda sorta justifiable on the cops' part. To me, it looks like a pretty clear cut case of an unjustified shooting. I don't feel like Alton's criminal history is relevant in the slightest if we're talking about whether or not the cops were justified in killing him under those circumstances.

This was a shitbag criminal who was already allegedly brandishing a gun. He had a taser used on him, he continued to resist. They were attempting to restrain him and he was continuing to fight. If he'd thrown one off and had free access to his arm and pocket there would have potentially been dead cops. His criminal past (which I find very relevant and informative), and his present behavior (brandishing/threatening w/ a firearm and resisting) obviously presented a danger to the community and to the cops trying to secure him. Unless something completely damning of the cops comes to light, this was a case of an idiot getting exactly what he deserved, and society benefits from the trash being taken out. This case is 180 degrees different than the St. Paul shooting. I don't understand how anyone is attempting to portray this piece of shit as any kind of victim (except I guess he's the victim of his own bad behavior). He had been arrested for domestic violence, aggravated battery, weapons charges, and was a registered sex offender convicted of screwing a juvenile. I guess we're all operating with limited information, but from the information that has been presented, from witnesses, from video, etc... I'm siding with the cops on this one, and against the cops in the St. Paul shooting.

I already said I'm not buying excuses like that and that his criminal history is irrelevant.
Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death.
I do agree that this case and the Minnesota case aren't one in the same though.

We'll disagree that past behavior may be indicative of future behavior then. I see patterns rather than random occurrences. And I agree with you that resisting arrest isn't punishable by death. But if a cop is facing a threat to his life he is and should be able to defend himself. They didn't come out firing at him. They tried to restrain him. They tried to Taser him. They tried to subdue him. He continued to fight and to pose a threat. That is why he was shot. Not simply because he was resisting. Big difference.

Yes. To all of this.

The greatest predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. And noooo... that doesn't mean we automatically assume the worst of everyone, but we definitely accept the worst for what it is when it's on display. And in this case... it was... again.

If the guy was reaching for his gun as the officers were trying to restrain him... there is nothing to discuss. If the guy wasn't... it was an execution and the cop who fired the gun should be held accountable.

Given all that transpired and the procedures and patience the cops afforded him prior to the shot... and at the risk of being wrong... I'm inclined to think he went for his gun.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Free said:

No Buts. Resisting arrest isnt punishable by death.

cp3iverson said:

^^^fair point for sure. Very tough situation. Its a hard job but cops have to be so careful not to cross that line and become the criminal

Yes

Ridiculous.

'No buts'.

So you're basically saying cops should eat a bullet rather than make a mistake deciphering intent when dealing with some guy breaking the law, physically resisting arrest, and trying to grab his gun.

Good gawd, man. F**king ridiculous.

Free

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Free said:

No Buts. Resisting arrest isnt punishable by death.

cp3iverson said:

^^^fair point for sure. Very tough situation. Its a hard job but cops have to be so careful not to cross that line and become the criminal

Yes

Ridiculous.

'No buts'.

So you're basically saying cops should eat a bullet rather than make a mistake deciphering intent when dealing with some guy breaking the law, physically resisting arrest, and trying to grab his gun.

Good gawd, man. F**king ridiculous.

Always on the defense. No that is not what I'm basically saying. Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death. Protocol for cops is you shoot to kill. There is something wrong with that mentality right there. Because there are too many deaths overall.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Free said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Free said:

No Buts. Resisting arrest isnt punishable by death.

cp3iverson said:

^^^fair point for sure. Very tough situation. Its a hard job but cops have to be so careful not to cross that line and become the criminal

Yes

Ridiculous.

'No buts'.

So you're basically saying cops should eat a bullet rather than make a mistake deciphering intent when dealing with some guy breaking the law, physically resisting arrest, and trying to grab his gun.

Good gawd, man. F**king ridiculous.

Always on the defense. No that is not what I'm basically saying. Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death. Protocol for cops is you shoot to kill. There is something wrong with that mentality right there. Because there are too many deaths overall.

The 'shoot to kill' isn't a derivative of a killer mentality- it's of a preservation mentality.

If I'm the child of a cop who is in a struggle with a career criminal who has ignored officer requests, shrugged off a taser, and wrestled my father to the ground... I'm kind of hoping my dad takes every precaution to ensure he comes home to me.

If I'm the father... I don't want to shoot some jackass who's physically resisting arrest, but would most assuredly resort to lethal force if, after all prior steps had been taken, I felt at risk. And... I'd want people to support me as I was placed in an awful situation keeping them safe as they sit cozy inside their homes.

That idiot had every opportunity to comply peacefully and accept what was going to happen. The day people comply with police is the day we'll stop seeing so many shootings. Talk about renewed training and newer tactics all you want... just don't forget to include the other side's part in these affairs. F**k. How hard is it? How hard is it, as stupid as you might be, to realize the gig is up and comply with police orders?

Degeneratefk

Free said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Free said:

No Buts. Resisting arrest isnt punishable by death.

cp3iverson said:

^^^fair point for sure. Very tough situation. Its a hard job but cops have to be so careful not to cross that line and become the criminal

Yes

Ridiculous.

'No buts'.

So you're basically saying cops should eat a bullet rather than make a mistake deciphering intent when dealing with some guy breaking the law, physically resisting arrest, and trying to grab his gun.

Good gawd, man. F**king ridiculous.

Always on the defense. No that is not what I'm basically saying. Resisting arrest isn't punishable by death. Protocol for cops is you shoot to kill. There is something wrong with that mentality right there. Because there are too many deaths overall.

Shoot to injure doesn't make much sense

jnimhaoileoin

Just a quick question. How is it that multiple police officers found it so hard to restrict the arms of a single man so as to ensure that he was not capable of reaching for a gun? Surely this should have been their first priority, securing his weapon