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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,779
    pjalive21 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

    Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

    This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

    this woman's poor child...now that gets me
    informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

    anything else you want?
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    mickeyrat said:

    pjalive21 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

    Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

    This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

    this woman's poor child...now that gets me
    informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

    anything else you want?
    That's the part I don't get....if the officer orders him to get his license and registration then reaches to get it then the officer shoots. What was the driver to do.....if the driver refuses to get his L&R in fear of his life that refusal could end his life. I gather if you are black you just better not have a license to carry a weapon in your car.

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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited July 2016
    mickeyrat said:

    pjalive21 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

    Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

    This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

    this woman's poor child...now that gets me
    informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

    anything else you want?
    ok then leaves us with even more damn questions "if" he was ordered (which is debatable or hearsay) to get his license and he was shot anyway...Murder....but if he went to reach in his pants without being told to do so then that is a different story...like I said we can sit on the sidelines and judge all we want right now but we need to get all the facts...either way like I stated before sure in the hell doesn't look good right now at all

  • TL170678
    TL170678 Near Louisville, in Indiana, closer to Kentucky Posts: 422
    g under p said:

    mickeyrat said:

    pjalive21 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/falcon-heights-shooting-minnesota/index.html

    Overwhelmed. I started tearing up. This guy's life is ending in front of us. Ugh. Too much.

    This is tragic nonetheless but we come into the story halfway thru it...will admit from where it starts it doesn't look good and he was licensed to carry a gun, but in this particular case I definitely need to get all the facts

    this woman's poor child...now that gets me
    informed the cop he carried, was licensed. stated he was reaching for id. AS ORDERED. murdered.

    anything else you want?
    That's the part I don't get....if the officer orders him to get his license and registration then reaches to get it then the officer shoots. What was the driver to do.....if the driver refuses to get his L&R in fear of his life that refusal could end his life. I gather if you are black you just better not have a license to carry a weapon in your car.

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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited July 2016
    Question: With all the tension between Cops and citizens with all the stuff since Michael Brown and all the backlash they have taken in cases they were justified or not justified don't you expect them to be a little more uneasy? let me make this clear that is NOT any justification, but lets remember these are human beings with families as well as the victims and you happen to be in a career that is complete and utterly a mess at the moment that no way in hell I would want to be a cop right now...something to ponder

    where do we go from here?? can any of this be repaired??
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    i said alot of times..the pronblem is the law,not the officer..
    the officer can shoot to kill cos someone has a gun,a knife,a screwdriver in the pocket..can shoot to kill and all its ok,cos they have the right..ill give u two exables here in greece
    1 exable..like a year ago the number 1 wanted terrorist spoted at a tourist area,police try to catch him,he start shooting to everyone,and injured 2 tourist,finally a policeman shoot him at the arm he holding the gun..
    terrosrist is in jail,for life..and police office got kudos cos he react and eliminate the danger as he was traineds to do
    2.exable ..4-5 15 years old kids back at 2008 throw a bottle at apolice car..policaman got around the street,leave the police car and return walking at the street kids walking.,.kids saw him and froim distance start calling him names ..he shoot ans kill one of the kids,on the head from big distance..
    policeman got life with no parole..
    in america,someone has a gun??u can shoot and kill him even he is on the ground with 4 policemen over him...but he has a gun.,,lets kill him like a dog in the street,the law covers me,cos he has a gun
    in greece,if u shoot to kill,while the suspect is on the ground ,the policeman gets life in prison

    the reason the law is like that here,isnt that want to protect a bad ,guy,or want to panisment the police officer..
    the reason is they dont want innocent people and by mistake or bad judgement of a police officer,get killed..
    so if someone didnt listen a policeman call him and he put his hand to grab his phone ,no policeman has the right ,cos he can,or think he is in dangerous,can shoot him in the head..
    when u kinow that ,if u misjudge as a policeman or u think u can use your gun with no reason,u go in jail for murder and law doesnt cover u,u will think twice before u shoot somoene,and especiall shoot to kill

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,771
    edited July 2016
    pjalive21 said:

    Question: With all the tension between Cops and citizens with all the stuff since Michael Brown and all the backlash they have taken in cases they were justified or not justified don't you expect them to be a little more uneasy? let me make this clear that is NOT any justification, but lets remember these are human beings with families as well as the victims and you happen to be in a career that is complete and utterly a mess at the moment that no way in hell I would want to be a cop right now...something to ponder

    where do we go from here?? can any of this be repaired??

    everyone and their fucking dog are allowed to own a gun in america. we have the same class and race and justice issues in Canada, yet it's rare to have wrongful shootings in Canada that involve the police.

    I don't know if it can be repaired. if it can, it's going to take a LONG fucking time.
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  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    To me the issue is on all sides of the spectrum. The police need to learn more restraint and the citizens need to learn more respect for the law. I am not saying the officer the law. There are too many people who think they can just ignore the police and the police think they are they are above given respect as well. I hope this makes sense.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Dirtie_Frank said:

    To me the issue is on all sides of the spectrum. The police need to learn more restraint and the citizens need to learn more respect for the law. I am not saying the officer the law. There are too many people who think they can just ignore the police and the police think they are they are above given respect as well. I hope this makes sense.

    in other words..everyone needs to calm the fuck down!!life is so precious
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,905
    Free said:

    This is an interesting article.

    23 Everyday Actions Punishable by Death if You're Black in America

    https://mic.com/articles/147878/23-everyday-actions-punishable-by-death-if-you-re-black-in-america#.z4fuENQll

    This article is just as much of the problem as anything else, and should piss you of as much as any video being shared.
    Yes, there have been ISOLATED incidents of brutality like the murder of a black man in SC by a police officer.
    But no one has EVER been shot by police because they were selling CD's. Spreading these lies puts anger into some communities which creates fear in others, causing people to react out of fear.
    This article doesn't say he was a violent criminal with a history, threatening people with a gun who just happened to be selling CD's at the time. Nope, they just say if you're black and sell CD's youll get shot. SO stupid.
    No one has ever died BECAUSE they were selling cigarettes, wearing a hoodie, etc. Stop spreading the hate, which creates fear and causes an over reaction. This over reaction happens because groups like BLM buy into and spread these lies and threaten justice through their own violence, killing innocent cops among other citizens. And you wonder why some cops are now more trigger happy as a result?
    I could create a much longer list of what white people were doing when they got murdered, but that would just be stupid so I wont.
  • Dr. Delight
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    Dr. Delight said:

    Why is the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car?

    I guess it's a right side steering car. Some people have them.
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    Dr. Delight said:

    Why is the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car?

    she was recording with the front part of her phone

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,771
    pjalive21 said:

    Dr. Delight said:

    Why is the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car?

    she was recording with the front part of her phone

    apparently when it was uploaded the video got reversed.
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  • my2hands
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    pjalive21 said:

    innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

    now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited July 2016
    my2hands said:

    pjalive21 said:

    innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

    now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

    Weeeellllll.... I see your point, except that I think a lot of people are capable of watching video footage and coming to a reasonable conclusion, especially with the most recent video. Most people know a murder when they see one.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    my2hands said:

    pjalive21 said:

    innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

    now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

    Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    edited July 2016
    Here's more about the man that was shot and killed in his car while driving to the grocery store.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-live-streamed-boyfriends-shooting-minnesota-speaks/story?id=40404120

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/07/3796518/mark-dayton-philando-castile-racism/

    “Would this had happened if those passengers were white? I don’t think it would’ve,” Dayton said. “So I’m forced to confront, and I think all of us in Minnesota are forced to confront, [that] this kind of racism exists.”
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited July 2016
    Cliffy6745 said:

    my2hands said:

    pjalive21 said:

    innocent until proven guilty unless you're a cop then you're guilty and in the wrong before the facts even come out...its the new fad

    now if only the protesters gave two shits about all the killings that go on everyday in their neighborhoods

    Who are you or anyone else to say that people don't care about the daily shootings in their neighborhood?
    60 shootings in the city of Chicago over 4th of July weekend is proof no one give a shit

    you think the streets are going to patrol themselves?

    Post edited by pjalive21 on

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