More Sad News From Orlando......

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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    what a horrific thing for that family. i can't imagine living with the vision of seeing that happen, trying to stop it and not being able to. just unbearable to imagine.

    people who put any blame on the parents in this care are fucking idiots in my opinion. if i was staying at a Disney resort never in a million year would i think something like what would or could happen. i mean surely other people have been close to that water's edge with babies before. it's a one in a million event.

    People putting some blame on parents are idiots???

    It's evening. Getting dark. There are signs that say NO SWIMMING. And you let your toddler in the water in Florida. By himself. Sorry know this is heart wrenching and humans worst fear is being prey but the parents fked up and now will become millionaires and your ticket to Disney just went up along with more signs and more fences. Why? Because some jackass didn't read the sign. Thinking even if they had gator sign, it would of been ignored as well. .

    Sorry natural section. Cold as it sounds.

    Yup. A pure case of survival of the fittest. The alligator in this case was more fit than the human.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    I've never blamed the parents. I've never blamed Disney. Maybe I've blamed the alligator for just being a damned alligator. Why does there have to be blame? is my question. Why can't it just be a freak accident?
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,610
    No, that "doofus" wasn't the only one splashing in the water that evening.

    http://ktla.com/2016/06/16/mom-shares-photo-of-son-playing-in-lagoon-an-hour-before-alligator-attack-at-disney/

    Have you seen pictures of that beach? I'm willing to bet plenty of other doofuses splash & wade in that water, but are too self aware / embarrassed to admit it.

    Where was the staff when this was going on? We know now there were at least two parties wading there that evening, was there no staff present at the movie night? (Maybe they didn't want to upset the guests by telling them to get out of the water)

    Statistically speaking, it sure was a freak accident. I posted earlier, there's a 1 in 2.4 million chance of being a victim of an alligator attack in Florida. Those are some steep odds.

    It was also avoidable. The Grand Canyon and Rocky Mountain National Park all have clear signage about the dangers of feeding or otherwise interacting with the wildlife. Why not Disney? In fact, it would appear they allowed guests to feed alligators, further desensitizing them to humans.
    Throw in the ignored report of the alligator aggressively approaching a child, and that seems like several red flags that Disney ignored.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,379

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    I've never blamed the parents. I've never blamed Disney. Maybe I've blamed the alligator for just being a damned alligator. Why does there have to be blame? is my question. Why can't it just be a freak accident?
    You also never comprehended the information that has been presented here- or your question wouldn't be a question.

    You must be glossing over the information that has been detailed in this thread. They are responsible for the safety of their guests. Their job is to maintain a safe place of business, forsee any potential accidents... and manage those accordingly. They never did.

    As so, they are negligent.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,379

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    still trolling, EH
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    still trolling, EH
    EH
  • jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
  • jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    I'll need to think about that one.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    I'll need to think about that one.
    well, any suggestions? i thought for sure the Radlib Canadian Militia would have an answer. they seem to have the answers to everything else.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,379

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    you have opposable thumbs don't you? I guess I shouldn't assume.
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  • jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    I'll need to think about that one.
    well, any suggestions? i thought for sure the Radlib Canadian Militia would have an answer. they seem to have the answers to everything else.
    I'm not so sure I fall under the 'Radlib' category. I think if you have ever followed my posting history, I tend to bounce right or left depending on the issue.

    But to your problem... I guess it would depend on the quantity and quality of the nose hairs for direction. For example, is it thick? Is extra prying necessary to extract the booger?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    you have opposable thumbs don't you? I guess I shouldn't assume.
    never assume, eh.
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    you have opposable thumbs don't you? I guess I shouldn't assume.
    to get back on topic, hugh... look what happened to the poor child in florida because his father assumed it was safe to frolick in a lagoon in florida. never assume, eh?
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    I'll need to think about that one.
    well, any suggestions? i thought for sure the Radlib Canadian Militia would have an answer. they seem to have the answers to everything else.
    I'm not so sure I fall under the 'Radlib' category. I think if you have ever followed my posting history, I tend to bounce right or left depending on the issue.

    But to your problem... I guess it would depend on the quantity and quality of the nose hairs for direction. For example, is it thick? Is extra prying necessary to extract the booger?
    i can assure you i dont follow your post history. i dont care about you.

    oh, its a thick booger alright...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,379

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    you have opposable thumbs don't you? I guess I shouldn't assume.
    to get back on topic, hugh... look what happened to the poor child in florida because his father assumed it was safe to frolick in a lagoon in florida. never assume, eh?
    look what happened to that poor child because disney stupidly assumed nothing bad would happen by allowing gators to frolick unabated in their resort and knowingly allowing guests to feed them.
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    you have opposable thumbs don't you? I guess I shouldn't assume.
    to get back on topic, hugh... look what happened to the poor child in florida because his father assumed it was safe to frolick in a lagoon in florida. never assume, eh?
    look what happened to that poor child because disney stupidly assumed nothing bad would happen by allowing gators to frolick unabated in their resort and knowingly allowing guests to feed them.
    yep. certainly plenty of blame to go 'round...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,154
    Disney has an army of inspectors and lawyers that are out looking for safety issues and covering there asses six ways to Sunday. The "no swimming" signs are there because they rent boats and they don't want to get sued if someone swimming gets hit by one.

    If Disney was aware (and you would think they would have been) that gators were in the man-made pond, they would have had 10 foot fences surrounding it. I imagine that they had a series of measures in place to prevent gators from entering the park and that they failed.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    So where's the link that claims Disney was allowing people to frolick in lagoons and feed the gators ... Which if anyone was feeding them, then these people are dumb ... You never feed wild animals, ever.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    someone earlier posted plenty of southeast & southern states that are home to gators. be aware out there, folks. hurricanes can move gators hundreds of miles, even across state lines. what freaks me out about swimming in a lake is the snapping turtle/alligator snapping turtle. i think i'd take my chances w/ a 6 ft gator (or smaller) vs' a alligator snapper. those dudes are massive heavy & brutal with their bite. no thank you very much
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  • FoxyRedLaFoxyRedLa Lauren / MI Posts: 4,810
    lukin2006 said:

    So where's the link that claims Disney was allowing people to frolick in lagoons and feed the gators ... Which if anyone was feeding them, then these people are dumb ... You never feed wild animals, ever.

    This. Lmao how close were they standing to these gators to feed them?!??! Wouldn't catch me fartin around with any gators!

    I live in MI. I haven't seen a gator in person and I've been to FL a handful of times. I would be terrified.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,199
    I think this has been posted before but this is about guests feeding the gators on Disney properties....

    http://www.thewrap.com/gator-attack-disney-knew-of-problems-staffer-asked-for-fence-at-lagoon-exclusive/

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  • jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    I'll need to think about that one.
    well, any suggestions? i thought for sure the Radlib Canadian Militia would have an answer. they seem to have the answers to everything else.
    I'm not so sure I fall under the 'Radlib' category. I think if you have ever followed my posting history, I tend to bounce right or left depending on the issue.

    But to your problem... I guess it would depend on the quantity and quality of the nose hairs for direction. For example, is it thick? Is extra prying necessary to extract the booger?
    i can assure you i dont follow your post history. i dont care about you.

    oh, its a thick booger alright...
    I know you're upset and you didn't mean that.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    jeffbr said:

    They had likely heard warnings of alligators; however, let's get serious: this was not a backwoods lake at dusk... this was a Disney resort ultimately built for kids.

    'No swimming' means something completely different to me than 'warning alligators'. The kid wasn't swimming anyways and cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'no swimming' sign is not a display of idiocy. Cooling your feet off in a man made lagoon at a Disney resort underneath a 'warning alligators' sign might be.

    Disney had a responsibility to its guests to properly alert them to the scope of the alligator potential. They were aware of the problems, but they didn't detail these problems to their guests who had not determined that the wildlife one might experience in a swamp was just as evident at the posh resort where an assumption of safety is assumed. As such, they are negligent. Period.

    I can't believe people are still persistent with blaming the parents... and even the kid. Geezuz, man. Remember, I argued strongly against the mother who lost her child in the gorilla compound (and still feel she is at fault). I'm not always automatically siding with the victims and feel just as strong for personal responsibility as anyone else.

    Great post. It is strange how so many are so quick to condemn the parents and the kid. The situation was tragic and a little empathy and compassion seem more warranted than accusations and victim blaming.

    Disney creates a make-believe place. Disney orchestrates the entire experience. Disney held an outdoor movie event lagoon side at dusk. The kid wasn't swimming. The no swimming signs posted had nothing to do with wildlife dangers - the signs I saw warned of deeper waters and a sharp drop-off. One would reasonably expect that in addition to picking up trash, manicuring their environment, and paying attention to ensuring their guests experience a magical time, that they'd also have a handle on dangers lurking in the waters. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to take their kid to an outdoor movie that Disney set up. It wasn't unreasonable that they kid would dip a toe in the water - they didn't let him swim. It wasn't unreasonable for the parents to expect that their child would be ok while enjoying a moment on a Disney property while under their supervision.
    Yes, Disney held a movie by the lake. NOBODY ELSE was splashing in the water except this doofus from Nebraska. I wonder why. He just didn't know, apparently no fault of his for not knowing he was the only one near the water for a reason. I mean, again, even if I didn't know about alligators, I might ask, "Why is everyone else honoring the no swimming sign on this beautiful Florida night?" But I know it's shameless to call him and his wife a dumb ass . . .
    never blamed the parents in your post prior to this one. now calling them dumbasses.

    do you share an account with someone by chance? LOL
    do people really still type LOL? i am proud to say this is the first and the last time i have typed, and will ever type that again.... it reminds me of a child who just got a cellular device. almost as annoying as radlibs.

    sorry, back to arguing with people about fucking disneyworld, EH.....

    Do people still not know to capitalize the first word in a sentence or 'I'? Reminds me of when kids are too busy picking their noses instead of paying attention in English classes- almost annoying as Cletuses at the gas station chewing on straw too loudly while pumping gas into their Fargo and spitting on themselves.

    Sorry, back to crushing Disney apologists.
    how could i get this booger if my other hand is using the shift key, eh?
    I'll need to think about that one.
    well, any suggestions? i thought for sure the Radlib Canadian Militia would have an answer. they seem to have the answers to everything else.
    I'm not so sure I fall under the 'Radlib' category. I think if you have ever followed my posting history, I tend to bounce right or left depending on the issue.

    But to your problem... I guess it would depend on the quantity and quality of the nose hairs for direction. For example, is it thick? Is extra prying necessary to extract the booger?
    i can assure you i dont follow your post history. i dont care about you.

    oh, its a thick booger alright...
    I know you're upset and you didn't mean that.
    ya, this booger has me all fired up, eh...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    edited June 2016
    :sick:
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    PJ_Soul said:

    :sick:

    no edit, eh? (insert the clapping yellow face)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,995
    edited June 2016

    Did it just because you said that. =)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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