What were the Pros? What were the Cons? What changes will occur?
Go read the many many descriptions on line
I have. I was hoping to hear some opinions of some of the folks here, who actually had a vote in all this. Just curious to as what some folks here had to say.
But yeah, I have spent the last few hours doing my homework.
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It's at least good to know the elites don't win at everything. We'll see what happens. I'm not worried about the stock market. It goes up and down all the time.
The thing that bothers me is this is another example of the rising tide of right wing lunacy in the world. The Brexit has it's pros, cons, and unknowns, but it was pushed through on Trump-style fearmongering and scapegoating. I have this paranoid feeling in my bones that the world is going to step into more and more foolish wars over culture.
I voted to remain and disappointed at the result. However, people now being really negative about how bad things will be and panicking will do no good. Hopefully things will calm down a bit. BTW it is a little known fact but the result is not legally binding and the Government can overturn the decision but seems not very likely.
It's at least good to know the elites don't win at everything. We'll see what happens. I'm not worried about the stock market. It goes up and down all the time.
Exactly..this is when you double down on your retirement investments. Buy!
This is not a vote against European citizens. It is standing up against being dictated to by unelected cronies who have control over the population. This EU concept is fundamentally flawed in its current state and the rise of more extreme groups you refer to are just a symptom of the anti democratic EU. This vote will bring hope to an impoverished EU. No doubt there will be volatility in the short or medium term but there is a price to pay for standing up for democracy. I have studied this for years so try to forget the anti immigration issue and focus on why things are the way they are can be done to fix it. If the EU is serious about its future they must start listening to the people and certainly this unsustainable system must be dramatically reformed. I sincerely think it is a victory for good though it doesn't help being labeled anti immigrant. I now have hope for Europe which I admit was non existent before this referendum. I really hope that Dan Hannan will become PM now as he is positive, passionate about democracy and a uniting figure who rejects any negative immigration sentiment. Good luck Europe and Britain.
Absolutely 100% dead on. Thankfully this is the first death twitch of global government, and if I was a betting man, I'd go all in on France, Germany and Italy joining the party at some point in the near future.
Global elites want everyone under their control. That is what's best for the banks, corporations and the power hungry. It's not about some faux Utopia that people think exists, because they are too blind to see the reality. The only thing disappointing about the vote is that it was so close. It should have been a blowout.
From Sadiq Khan: "I want to send a clear message to every European resident living in London - you are very welcome here. As a city, we are grateful for the enormous contribution you make, and that will not change as a result of this referendum. There are nearly one million European citizens living in London today, and they bring huge benefits to our city - working hard, paying taxes, working in our public services and contributing to our civic and cultural life. We all have a responsibility to now seek to heal the divisions that have emerged throughout this campaign - and to focus on what unites us, rather than that which divides us".
It must be quite frustrating for British people here to read the comments of people from other countries (mostly America) saying how great this is for democracy etc. Not so great for those who will now have to face the consequences, starting with an inevitable recession.
I must admit that in my head I found myself kind of hoping they'd vote to leave but this was in complete ignorance of any of the facts or potential consequences. It was simply born out of a distrust of central European control and also a notion that this could be an alternative route to Scottish independence. I also felt safe in having these thoughts, thinking 'sure it doesn't matter, of course they'll vote to stay in'.
Now, I feel perhaps such thoughts were quite foolish and that the British may soon come to greatly regret this decision, if they do not already...
What were the Pros? What were the Cons? What changes will occur?
Go read the many many descriptions on line
I have. I was hoping to hear some opinions of some of the folks here, who actually had a vote in all this. Just curious to as what some folks here had to say.
But yeah, I have spent the last few hours doing my homework.
every british expat I know is mortified at this vote.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
It must be quite frustrating for British people here to read the comments of people from other countries (mostly America) saying how great this is for democracy etc. Not so great for those who will now have to face the consequences, starting with an inevitable recession.
I must admit that in my head I found myself kind of hoping they'd vote to leave but this was in complete ignorance of any of the facts or potential consequences. It was simply born out of a distrust of central European control and also a notion that this could be an alternative route to Scottish independence. I also felt safe in having these thoughts, thinking 'sure it doesn't matter, of course they'll vote to stay in'.
Now, I feel perhaps such thoughts were quite foolish and that the British may soon come to greatly regret this decision, if they do not already...
People from other countries on here are always commenting on the affairs of the U.S., so what's the difference? You can be from a foreign country and actually understand the issues at hand and have a valid opinion, no matter what country is the subject.
Of course there will be some pains initially. No one is under the guise that this will be an easy separation. The country was surgically connected to the whole of Europe and decided to break away. However, it's important to note that the short term economic turmoil that is bound to occur is a much smaller price to pay than the toll that is usually required when a country declares independence.
It must be quite frustrating for British people here to read the comments of people from other countries (mostly America) saying how great this is for democracy etc. Not so great for those who will now have to face the consequences, starting with an inevitable recession.
I must admit that in my head I found myself kind of hoping they'd vote to leave but this was in complete ignorance of any of the facts or potential consequences. It was simply born out of a distrust of central European control and also a notion that this could be an alternative route to Scottish independence. I also felt safe in having these thoughts, thinking 'sure it doesn't matter, of course they'll vote to stay in'.
Now, I feel perhaps such thoughts were quite foolish and that the British may soon come to greatly regret this decision, if they do not already...
People from other countries on here are always commenting on the affairs of the U.S., so what's the difference? You can be from a foreign country and actually understand the issues at hand and have a valid opinion, no matter what country is the subject.
Of course there will be some pains initially. No one is under the guise that this will be an easy separation. The country was surgically connected to the whole of Europe and decided to break away. However, it's important to note that the short term economic turmoil that is bound to occur is a much smaller price to pay than the toll that is usually required when a country declares independence.
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions. I would never, ever dispute that Just commenting that some opinions may be rubbing salt into open wounds today
Also, this cannot be fairly compared to a country gaining independence. Britain has always been independant and self-governed, just as my country is.
The thing that bothers me is this is another example of the rising tide of right wing lunacy in the world. The Brexit has it's pros, cons, and unknowns, but it was pushed through on Trump-style fearmongering and scapegoating. I have this paranoid feeling in my bones that the world is going to step into more and more foolish wars over culture.
You just don't get it. It isn't lunacy. This is people wanting to have a say in how their lives are governed. At some point you will have to wake up to the fact that the voters you disparage are in fact free minded people who can think and make decisions for themselves. This is a repudiation of elitism plain and simple. An elitism that so many of you have unwittingly become part of.
Him resigining was predicted if the vote was to leave
Honestly, this story has barely been on the radar for me until 2 days ago. I don't live under a rock, so I am pretty sure there has just been very little news coverage about it here until a day or two before the vote happened, so while i know some about the wider implications to Britain and the EU (and Canada), i know basically nothing about the internal politics surrounding the whole thing. I only learned yesterday that Cameron lead the charge to stay in fact. I can only assume that the Canadian media decided that there wasn't a big story to report until an decision was made, I don't know.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
The thing that bothers me is this is another example of the rising tide of right wing lunacy in the world. The Brexit has it's pros, cons, and unknowns, but it was pushed through on Trump-style fearmongering and scapegoating. I have this paranoid feeling in my bones that the world is going to step into more and more foolish wars over culture.
You just don't get it. It isn't lunacy. This is people wanting to have a say in how their lives are governed. At some point you will have to wake up to the fact that the voters you disparage are in fact free minded people who can think and make decisions for themselves. This is a repudiation of elitism plain and simple. An elitism that so many of you have unwittingly become part of.
Free minded people lol
Rubes that are easily preyed upon. Mention immigration and terrorism and their free minds go blank and their jaws slack.
I guess the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe is just people being free minded then, I must be a fool for thinking they are rubes divided by fearmongering.
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When the the rich lose value, what's next? Their businesses cut jobs so they can buy another yacht.
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That's about all that needs to be said, at this point.
UGHH....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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I was hoping to hear some opinions of some of the folks here, who actually had a vote in all this.
Just curious to as what some folks here had to say.
But yeah, I have spent the last few hours doing my homework.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
forTrumpto leave the EUyoung people who have a stake in the future voted to remain in the EU
I have this paranoid feeling in my bones that the world is going to step into more and more foolish wars over culture.
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Global elites want everyone under their control. That is what's best for the banks, corporations and the power hungry. It's not about some faux Utopia that people think exists, because they are too blind to see the reality. The only thing disappointing about the vote is that it was so close. It should have been a blowout.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"I want to send a clear message to every European resident living in London - you are very welcome here. As a city, we are grateful for the enormous contribution you make, and that will not change as a result of this referendum.
There are nearly one million European citizens living in London today, and they bring huge benefits to our city - working hard, paying taxes, working in our public services and contributing to our civic and cultural life.
We all have a responsibility to now seek to heal the divisions that have emerged throughout this campaign - and to focus on what unites us, rather than that which divides us".
I must admit that in my head I found myself kind of hoping they'd vote to leave but this was in complete ignorance of any of the facts or potential consequences. It was simply born out of a distrust of central European control and also a notion that this could be an alternative route to Scottish independence. I also felt safe in having these thoughts, thinking 'sure it doesn't matter, of course they'll vote to stay in'.
Now, I feel perhaps such thoughts were quite foolish and that the British may soon come to greatly regret this decision, if they do not already...
-EV 8/14/93
Of course there will be some pains initially. No one is under the guise that this will be an easy separation. The country was surgically connected to the whole of Europe and decided to break away. However, it's important to note that the short term economic turmoil that is bound to occur is a much smaller price to pay than the toll that is usually required when a country declares independence.
Also, this cannot be fairly compared to a country gaining independence. Britain has always been independant and self-governed, just as my country is.
I wonder if Cameron is shitting his pants today? He really fucked up.
Rubes that are easily preyed upon.
Mention immigration and terrorism and their free minds go blank and their jaws slack.
I guess the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe is just people being free minded then, I must be a fool for thinking they are rubes divided by fearmongering.