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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,860
    pjl44 said:
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    mr bungle said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Miraculously more tickets popped up for Barclays. You know , “the platinum” ones. Over $400 face value. I can’t believe TM is allowed to openly price gouge and it’s legal 
    yeah, they are essentially working as a in-house scalping company based on supply and demand.  "prices may fluctuate based on demand"
    Seriously, how it is legal is beyond me. I really really wish some leaders would do something about it. Some legislation against this is badly needed, in Canada and the US.
    Concert tickets are luxury items and promoters/bands should be able to charge whatever and however the market bears. I don't like paying $400 for a ticket either so I don't go to many high profile arena shows. If you live near an arena, there is no shortage of $20-50 club shows in your area.
    That has literally nothing to do with my comment. I am saying it should be illegal for Ticketmaster to have its own reselling sight, where they sell the tix and then offer up their own scalping platform on the very same website to buy back the tickets they just sold, and then resell them at quadruple the price. THAT should be illegal. I can't believe it isn't.
    Disagree. That same type of platform has allowed me to buy tickets below face value many, many times. People always focus on the negative.
    I don't see how that makes any difference. No company should legally be allowed to buy back what they just sold and then sell it again for a different price IMO, and it is simply more egregious with Ticketmaster because it has such a huge monopoly in the market. And there is shit like this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-vegas-1.4828535

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 4,020
    PJ_Soul said:
    pjl44 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    pjl44 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mr bungle said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Miraculously more tickets popped up for Barclays. You know , “the platinum” ones. Over $400 face value. I can’t believe TM is allowed to openly price gouge and it’s legal 
    yeah, they are essentially working as a in-house scalping company based on supply and demand.  "prices may fluctuate based on demand"
    Seriously, how it is legal is beyond me. I really really wish some leaders would do something about it. Some legislation against this is badly needed, in Canada and the US.
    Concert tickets are luxury items and promoters/bands should be able to charge whatever and however the market bears. I don't like paying $400 for a ticket either so I don't go to many high profile arena shows. If you live near an arena, there is no shortage of $20-50 club shows in your area.
    That has literally nothing to do with my comment. I am saying it should be illegal for Ticketmaster to have its own reselling sight, where they sell the tix and then offer up their own scalping platform on the very same website to buy back the tickets they just sold, and then resell them at quadruple the price. THAT should be illegal. I can't believe it isn't.
    Disagree. That same type of platform has allowed me to buy tickets below face value many, many times. People always focus on the negative.
    I don't see how that makes any difference. No company should legally be allowed to buy back what they just sold and then sell it again for a different price IMO, and it is simply more egregious with Ticketmaster because it has such a huge monopoly in the market. And there is shit like this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ticketmaster-resellers-las-vegas-1.4828535

    I remember that story and, yes, that is supremely shady. At this point if they want to engage in dynamic pricing, I think they should just rip the band aid off and do it.

    As far as the monopoly aspect, I haven't had any better service or cheaper fees with their competitors. Ticketfly, AXS, and even Eventbrite all soak me for 20-30%.

    The horse is out of the barn with ticket reselling. It's a technology thing. If TM wants to host their own resale site, they should be able to. StubHub, et al. aren't going away. Or they can vary pricing more on the primary sale if they want to take on more risk. Either way, if someone wants to pay $500 for a ticket, they will be able to. Unless the artist puts in the effort to limit transfers.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 4,020
    Sorry that I keep derailing this thread. Started a new discussion at the link below if anyone was going to respond further....

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/281998/ticketmaster-verified-resale-dynamic-pricing-etc#latest
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 2,061
    Still waiting for the next batch of CDs to ship from Tool.

    Still really loving the new album. Not really popular opinion here but I think Pneuma and Invincible are the weak tracks. Can't get enough of Descending and Culling Voices. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 3,602

    Now that I've had a while to listen, I'm still really blown away by Invincible & Descending. They're easily my favorite tracks, and I'm looking forward to seeing them played live.

    7empest is my next favorite, probably followed by the title track, Pneuma & finally Culling Voices.

    I'm less blown away by the last three I mentioned than I was when I first got the album. CV has yet to really grab me. It's fine, it's not a bad song, but I haven't had any great breakthrough while listening to really endear me to it. The breakdown in Pneuma is freaking fantastic, but there are other parts of the song I feel drag... It hasn't grabbed me yet either, at least not like it has other people.

    The tour starts Sunday night! I'm interested to see what their full set list is now that the album is out. I doubt I'll be able to hold out from looking until mid-November, so I probably won't even try.

    I'm thinking in addition to Invincible & Descending, they probably add Pneuma and maybe CV or FI.

    I would love to see 7empest played live, but I'm not expecting it TBH. (I don't base that on anything other than my gut feeling).

    I also hope they have some decent posters for this tour... the last couple of times I saw them in the spring of '17 they had the dueling cicadas, which... sure they fit Tool's imagery but I would never frame & display that. I did like the alien they had for the spring '18 tour dates. While I don't know that I would frame that one for the living room either, it's still more aesthetically pleasing than one bug stabbing another in the head.


  • LCLC North Andover, MAPosts: 192
    While not my favorite song, I think opening up their shows this Fall with 7empest would be unbelievable.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 2,532
    LC said:
    While not my favorite song, I think opening up their shows this Fall with 7empest would be unbelievable.
    It would be insane. 
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 5,135
    nicknyr15 said:
    LC said:
    While not my favorite song, I think opening up their shows this Fall with 7empest would be unbelievable.
    It would be insane. 
    Only a week away and we will find out. Part of me wants to not look at the set but the other part is way too curious to not take a peak. 
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  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 244
    Reckon they'll kick off with the title track. 7empest would blow my mind anywhere but it seems a lot of rehearsal time would be needed to get it down. Plus that (and Pneuma to a lesser extent) has distinct multiple guitar parts that they may be still figuring out how to do live.

    As for the rest of the set, they put so much effort into their songs that I and most other big fans wouldn't care if they had no supposed "greatest hits" tracks. Maynard generally picks the sets due to his voice so hopefully with these new songs being easier he can throw some songs that haven't been done in a while into the mix.

    As for the new songs I'd most want to see Pneuma Invincible and 7empest live but imagine Fear Inoculum will be omnipresent and they'll play Descending a heap. Which isn't exactly a booby prize...
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 1,498
    JT167846 said:
    Reckon they'll kick off with the title track. 7empest would blow my mind anywhere but it seems a lot of rehearsal time would be needed to get it down. Plus that (and Pneuma to a lesser extent) has distinct multiple guitar parts that they may be still figuring out how to do live.

    As for the rest of the set, they put so much effort into their songs that I and most other big fans wouldn't care if they had no supposed "greatest hits" tracks. Maynard generally picks the sets due to his voice so hopefully with these new songs being easier he can throw some songs that haven't been done in a while into the mix.

    As for the new songs I'd most want to see Pneuma Invincible and 7empest live but imagine Fear Inoculum will be omnipresent and they'll play Descending a heap. Which isn't exactly a booby prize...


    Cant image they will not play 7empest. That will be sick live. As will Pnuema. We find out Sunday!
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,061
    Chocolate chip trip would be awesome live
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 3,602
    Chocolate chip trip would be awesome live


    It is, and has been a staple of the setlist since 2015 - I don't know that it had a name before the album, but they've at least been playing it as far back as the Monster Mash in Tempe.


  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,061
    Wow. that I did not know. Might have to look it up on Youtube!
    For some reason that track reminds me of the song A Saucerful of secrets by Pink Floyd.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 10,106
    Pretty sure it showed up on written set lists as CC Trip
  • chittychitty Posts: 415
    I am travelling to the festival tomorrow that has Tool headlining sunday. Hoping to hear a bunch of the new stuff and a few old hits. It's a pretty short set though so not sure what they can do for the new album with each song being so long....I guess time will tell
  • HorosHoros Posts: 4,436
    chitty said:
    I am travelling to the festival tomorrow that has Tool headlining sunday. Hoping to hear a bunch of the new stuff and a few old hits. It's a pretty short set though so not sure what they can do for the new album with each song being so long....I guess time will tell
    Aftershock, is that what it's called. Took a young lady to the airport this morning that was headed to Sacramento.

    All their sets are pretty short.
    #FHP
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 3,602
    Horos said:
    chitty said:
    I am travelling to the festival tomorrow that has Tool headlining sunday. Hoping to hear a bunch of the new stuff and a few old hits. It's a pretty short set though so not sure what they can do for the new album with each song being so long....I guess time will tell
    Aftershock, is that what it's called. Took a young lady to the airport this morning that was headed to Sacramento.

    All their sets are pretty short.

    On paper they seem short based on the number of songs played, but at a typical Tool show they usually play for 1:45 + / - which I don't feel is that far off from a lot of other big acts.



  • I’m stuck at a desk at work for a few hours. Anyone know of a Tool show that I should listening to on YouTube? Preferably from 2015-to present
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 4,020
    I’m stuck at a desk at work for a few hours. Anyone know of a Tool show that I should listening to on YouTube? Preferably from 2015-to present
    Why after 2015? Just curious. The shows I've seen in that stretch have been fine but not exactly their peak.
  • pjl44 said:
    I’m stuck at a desk at work for a few hours. Anyone know of a Tool show that I should listening to on YouTube? Preferably from 2015-to present
    Why after 2015? Just curious. The shows I've seen in that stretch have been fine but not exactly their peak.
    2015 was just a rough estimate for a newer show. I’m pretty well versed from 94-2000. Haven’t seen them in a long time and I’m interested in how they should/play now 
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 5,135
    PJ
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    2016 Quebec, Toronto 2, Fenway 1&2, Wrigley 2
    2018 Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Seattle 2, Wrigley 2, Fenway 1&2 

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  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 5,135
    A couple of live debuts tonight. Putting it in the link to not spoil it for those that do not want to know. 10 songs 1hr 30 min set.

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/tool/2019/discovery-park-sacramento-ca-7b9daaa4.html
    PJ
    2013 Worcester 1 & 2
    2016 Quebec, Toronto 2, Fenway 1&2, Wrigley 2
    2018 Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Seattle 2, Wrigley 2, Fenway 1&2 

    EV
    2017 Firenze, Taormina 1 & 2
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 14,061
    After starting the album at Invincible mostly the past few weeks, I decided to start from the start.
    Yes, Pnuema still holds strong for me, amazing song.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • manitoumanmanitouman In My HeadPosts: 999
    PJNB said:
    A couple of live debuts tonight. Putting it in the link to not spoil it for those that do not want to know. 10 songs 1hr 30 min set.

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/tool/2019/discovery-park-sacramento-ca-7b9daaa4.html
    I'm hoping that this was due to being a festival setlist. 7empest will get played live and everyone will cream themselves when it happens.

    Any word on the poster? And were there signed ones available?
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  • manitoumanmanitouman In My HeadPosts: 999
    From Toolband...

    TOOL TOUR PRINTS

    Artwork being an integral component of the Tool experience, for the 2019 Fall tour each event print will be unique. Following the band’s sonic, lyrical, and visual output, intersecting themes from the pneuma of the individual artists coalesque into a transmundane unity. Phantasmal hierophants, nightside archetypes, alien taxonomy and morphological constructs are featured, along with sacred geometry, hidden allegories of spiritual energies, subtle anatomy of occult hyperchemistry and magical radiances of ascending intelligences. Whether you’re a collector pursuing the gamut, or Tool enthusiast wanting a souvenir from the show, inspired works from the impressive list of artistic contributors are sure to enhance your surroundings.

    CONTRIBUTERS:

    Adi Granov

    IG: www.instagram.com/adigranov/

    FB: www.facebook.com/AdiGranovIllustration/

    www.adigranov.net

    Alex Grey

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/alexgreycosm/

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/alexgreycosm/

    FB: https://www.facebook.com/AlexGreyCoSM/

    Allen Williams

    IG: @I_JustDraw

    Twitter: @ijustdraw

    FB: www.facebook.com/AllenWilliamsArt

    www.AllenWilliamsStudio.com

    Carly Schmitt

    IG: instagram.com/tinyalgae

    Chet Zar

    IG: @chetzar

    www.chetzar.com

    Patreon.com/chetzar

    Eliza Ivanova

    IG: @eleeza

    www.elizaivanova.com

    Esad Ribic

    Twitter: ‪@eribic

    Jeff Nentrup

    IG: @nentopia

    Twitter: @nentopia

    FB: https://www.facebook.com/jeff.nentrup

    Jnk Artwork

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    FB: www.facebook.com/jnk2007art

    Joyce Su

    IG: @joycesu

    Mark Brooks

    IG: @markbrooksart

    Twitter: http://twitter.com/markbrooksart

    FB: http://facebook.com/artofmarkbrooks

    Maxim Verehin

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/maxverehin/

    Miles Johnston

    IG: @miles_art

    Robbie Trevino

    IG: https://www.instagram.com/robbietrevinoart/

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbieSTrevino

    https://www.artstation.com/robbietrevino/albums/all

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 4,020
    From Toolband...

    TOOL TOUR PRINTS

    Artwork being an integral component of the Tool experience, for the 2019 Fall tour each event print will be unique. Following the band’s sonic, lyrical, and visual output, intersecting themes from the pneuma of the individual artists coalesque into a transmundane unity. Phantasmal hierophants, nightside archetypes, alien taxonomy and morphological constructs are featured, along with sacred geometry, hidden allegories of spiritual energies, subtle anatomy of occult hyperchemistry and magical radiances of ascending intelligences. Whether you’re a collector pursuing the gamut, or Tool enthusiast wanting a souvenir from the show, inspired works from the impressive list of artistic contributors are sure to enhance your surroundings. 

    "My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention."
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 3,602
    PJNB said:
    A couple of live debuts tonight. Putting it in the link to not spoil it for those that do not want to know. 10 songs 1hr 30 min set.

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/tool/2019/discovery-park-sacramento-ca-7b9daaa4.html
    I'm hoping that this was due to being a festival setlist. 7empest will get played live and everyone will cream themselves when it happens.

    Any word on the poster? And were there signed ones available?


    I'm much less confident than you are about 7empest being played live. I hope you're right, and I guess we'll find out in a few days.


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 3,602

    I was psyched to see the announcement of the posters, I'm hoping at least one of the two shows I go to has a print I can display proudly. I would love to give this guy a companion:



  • scurtisscurtis Posts: 2,229
    Is the CD with the screen worth the big bucks?
    "Born on third, thinks he got a triple."
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 4,020
    scurtis said:
    Is the CD with the screen worth the big bucks?
    40ish bucks retail? Yes.
    100ish bucks secondary? No.
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