The government can't force people to get along. It has to start in the neighborhoods everyone is born into different situations and are brought up in different ways. Some people happen to be racist. That's ok, we can't force them to be different. Some people like the band creed.. But hey, there's nothing we can do. I'm just nice to everyone and give everyone a fair chance and friendship.
I am like this not because the government and bills and laws. I'm like this because it's my nature as an individual
Why do we have 50 threads on this topic and the Springsteen forum only has one?
cause we are the 10club goddamn it.
This.
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Larry Sanders, Season 2, Episode 14. Larry is PJ. Artie is Bruce. Some of us are Roseanne and Tom. Leno is Cyndi Lauper. Tim is the Bathroom Bill. I'm not sure who Hank is.
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The government can't force people to get along. It has to start in the neighborhoods everyone is born into different situations and are brought up in different ways. Some people happen to be racist. That's ok, we can't force them to be different. Some people like the band creed.. But hey, there's nothing we can do. I'm just nice to everyone and give everyone a fair chance and friendship.
I am like this not because the government and bills and laws. I'm like this because it's my nature as an individual
It's not okay that some people "happen" to be racist. You say it as though they were born with it or like it's a simple matter of taste. And yes, of course there is something we can do. Good grief, apathy is strong in you.... or was this meant as a joke??
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not okay that some people "happen" to be racist. You say it as though they were born with it or like it's a simple matter of taste. And yes, of course there is something we can do. Good grief, apathy is stong in you.... or was this meant as a joke??
Yeah, I'd like my money back too. By the time it processes it'll be over a week since the show was canceled and I wasn't given what I paid for months ago.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
It's not okay that some people "happen" to be racist. You say it as though they were born with it or like it's a simple matter of taste. And yes, of course there is something we can do. Good grief, apathy is stong in you.... or was this meant as a joke??
Yes, the problem for me is that all the best bands are liberal
It's an age-old tension. Most artists, including rock musicians, are liberals. Most rock fans are white males, who are disproportionately conservative.
It reminds me of Kurt Cobain's observation that the same guys who used to bully him in high school started showing up in the front rows at Nirvana shows after they became big.
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It makes perfectly good sense to me that artists in general are more often liberal. For example, who has time for war when you're creating something artistic? Creative people tend to want to bring people together whereas conservatives tend more toward keeping people separate (yes, there are exceptions to this, but I'm speaking in generalities- look at border and immigration issues.) And this: there are few other fields in which a person will practically starve to death before they give up what they do for a living. Creativity is more important than finances and people who are heavily focused on money tend to be more conservative.
In making these statements, I am not passing any judgements, I'm just stating what generally is the case with regard to the subject.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It also has something to do with artists being non-conformists. A non-conformist will tend to reject traditional ideas about social norms and forms of expression. Conservatism seeks to preserve and maintain traditional social norms and forms of expression.
Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos. So until someone comes up with a better solution, this ban might make a tiny bit of sense. Obviously something must have been happening somewhere for them to even consider making it a law. I dunno ??
Bottom line is some people SUCK and as long as this earth spins some people will always SUCK.
None of us will ever change the world in ridding it of people who suck.
If you have a penis...piss with the men. If you have a vagina...piss with the men or the women. Men will piss with any gender...lol
Oh dear dad
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos. So until someone comes up with a better solution, this ban might make a tiny bit of sense. Obviously something must have been happening somewhere for them to even consider making it a law. I dunno ??
Bottom line is some people SUCK and as long as this earth spins some people will always SUCK.
None of us will ever change the world in ridding it of people who suck.
If you have a penis...piss with the men. If you have a vagina...piss with the men or the women. Men will piss with any gender...lol
No explaining away this law, sorry. It's discriminatory bullshit. What's happening is people can't tolerate people who they perceive as remarkably different from themselves. Nobody has to wear a disguise to walk into the opposite gender's restroom and be a fucking perv. And not every weirdo out there is exclusively perving on the opposite sex either.
Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos. S
Please enlighten me, how big of a problem do you really think this is, or would be?
If americans really find this to be such a big problem that they had to have a law against it, I'm starting to understand why americans think they have to be able to own and carry around automatic weapons for some weird, medieval kind of protection.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos.
My friend who cancelled his trip had Raleigh and Columbia tix. His extra columbia was for a fellow 10Cer who put in for Columbia and was one of the 1 in 100 who didn't get them. My buddy sent a email explaining the situation to the 10c asking to make an exception and transfer his tix so his friend could pick them up and she would be able to go to the show.
10c response....1 word. "Sorry"
"There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
My friend who cancelled his trip had Raleigh and Columbia tix. His extra columbia was for a fellow 10Cer who put in for Columbia and was one of the 1 in 100 who didn't get them. My buddy sent a email explaining the situation to the 10c asking to make an exception and transfer his tix so his friend could pick them up and she would be able to go to the show.
I asked for a refund because I wasn't taking a whole week off for just one show (Columbia). I had planned to go to both Raleigh and Columbia until they canceled on their fans in Raleigh. I didn't expect to get a refund but at least wanted to make a point (one that will not get a second read I know) that they can cancel on 15,000 people they sold tickets to, but somehow still think that their ticket rules still apply. Those who set the rules control the rules.
Having attended both Hampton and Columbia, am I remembering correctly that Eddie never gave his normal kudos to Jeff and Stone? Could it be that J&S forced the Raleigh cancellation? It doesn't matter at this point, but Jeff obviously wrote the letter that was posted to the site.
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Having attended both Hampton and Columbia, am I remembering correctly that Eddie never gave his normal kudos to Jeff and Stone? Could it be that J&S forced the Raleigh cancellation? It doesn't matter at this point, but Jeff obviously wrote the letter that was posted to the site.
No offense, but I hate the conspiracy talk
I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine.
Having attended both Hampton and Columbia, am I remembering correctly that Eddie never gave his normal kudos to Jeff and Stone? Could it be that J&S forced the Raleigh cancellation? It doesn't matter at this point, but Jeff obviously wrote the letter that was posted to the site.
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2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
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I can see this morphing into one of those "It's Stone's Fault" threads with a twist.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
being from Denmark and knowing that throughout the years we have adopted a lot of stupid political ideas from USA ( cutbacks on social benefits, health insurances and involving in wars for the wrong reasons and so on ) I certainly hope this law is one that our politicians thinks is so stupid it has to be a joke .... first thing comes to mind: who is checkking ? read a story about a transgender who "broke" the law by going to the ladies room, and i don,t know again, but in denmark female bathrooms have stalls so is there a guard checkking before entering ? I love you guys but you really have to stand up against stupid rightwing politicians who are afraid of anything that they can't put in their small box and label as "normal".
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Bury me so they won't find me
Try to suck my power empty
Got no crown of thorns on me
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I am like this not because the government and bills and laws. I'm like this because it's my nature as an individual
Larry is PJ.
Artie is Bruce.
Some of us are Roseanne and Tom.
Leno is Cyndi Lauper.
Tim is the Bathroom Bill.
I'm not sure who Hank is.
It reminds me of Kurt Cobain's observation that the same guys who used to bully him in high school started showing up in the front rows at Nirvana shows after they became big.
In making these statements, I am not passing any judgements, I'm just stating what generally is the case with regard to the subject.
Sad thing is...there are perverts who dress up like women and go into the womens bathrooms just to sneak a peak and maybe even thinking of attempting possibly much worse. They are not lgbt or whatever, they are psychos. So until someone comes up with a better solution, this ban might make a tiny bit of sense. Obviously something must have been happening somewhere for them to even consider making it a law. I dunno ??
Bottom line is some people SUCK and as long as this earth spins some people will always SUCK.
None of us will ever change the world in ridding it of people who suck.
If you have a penis...piss with the men. If you have a vagina...piss with the men or the women. Men will piss with any gender...lol
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
If americans really find this to be such a big problem that they had to have a law against it, I'm starting to understand why americans think they have to be able to own and carry around automatic weapons for some weird, medieval kind of protection.
10c response....1 word. "Sorry"
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1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
I love you guys but you really have to stand up against stupid rightwing politicians who are afraid of anything that they can't put in their small box and label as "normal".
Bury me so they won't find me
Try to suck my power empty
Got no crown of thorns on me
After much discussion and reflection by many here... I think I know what would have been best in this situation:
The concert should have gone ahead. Backspacer should have been played in its entirety- Ole as the encore.
Message sent. Contractual expectations met.