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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,179
    I will be giddy during Trump's concession tweet.
    Flight Risk out NOW!

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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,605

    I will be giddy during Trump's concession tweet.

    First he'll blame President Obama
    Then he'll blame cruz, rubio, jeb, and Bernie
    The he'll blame the Muslims and the hispanics
    Then he'll blame everyone else
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,664
    Enkidu said:

    "Belgium is a beautiful city"

    Did he just say that? It's not The Onion? Really? And this man should be our president why exactly?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2iEes9bzbg
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    g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,138

    I will be giddy during Trump's concession tweet.

    First he'll blame President Obama
    Then he'll blame cruz, rubio, jeb, and Bernie
    The he'll blame the Muslims and the hispanics
    Then he'll blame everyone else
    ........BUT himself.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,633
    What, nobody supports the "I know you are but what am I" doctrine?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,208
    I don't think he'll let himself get beat...I think he'll drop out and try to save face by blaming the press, talking about how corrupt the system is, etc.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,605
    MayDay10 said:

    What, nobody supports the "I know you are but what am I" doctrine?

    https://youtu.be/Cs4Gj7JsET4
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    I will be giddy during Trump's concession tweet.

    First he'll blame President Obama
    Then he'll blame cruz, rubio, jeb, and Bernie
    The he'll blame the Muslims and the hispanics
    Then he'll blame everyone else
    Who died and made him Gary Oldman in The Professional?
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    Enkidu said:

    For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    Anything less would be uncivilized.

    I clicked on the site. The first thing I saw is about Mexico paying for the wall. Which has always seemed like laughable bullshit. So I found this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-crumbling-wall-plan-1460320010

    And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/

    And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3

    I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."

    Again right from the source, read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
    For a moment read his plan and then come back and say why it won't work.
    This is what I am debating not "it's laughable bullshit" but I won't say why.
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    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    You don't need to back up your claim? Decided via news and reading that it is not your candidate?
    What about his positions and how he will put them to action have you read any, at all?
    Pick one and say why it will fail https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    No one ever talks about his plans or policies. They are clearly laid out on his site.
    Tell me why his plans won't work.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,208
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:



    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.

    This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
    Read it and say why it is incoherent
    Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.

    Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.

    Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
    Some American companies are forced.

    TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.

    Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.

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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,179

    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    You don't need to back up your claim? Decided via news and reading that it is not your candidate?
    What about his positions and how he will put them to action have you read any, at all?
    Pick one and say why it will fail https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    No one ever talks about his plans or policies. They are clearly laid out on his site.
    Tell me why his plans won't work.
    no they aren't. while he has ideas regarding improvement he has zero saying HOW he will do these. Everything is "with me as president, this will change". Really? with money and infrastructure falling out of the sky?
    Flight Risk out NOW!

    www.headstonesband.com




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    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    You don't need to back up your claim? Decided via news and reading that it is not your candidate?
    What about his positions and how he will put them to action have you read any, at all?
    Pick one and say why it will fail https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    No one ever talks about his plans or policies. They are clearly laid out on his site.
    Tell me why his plans won't work.
    no they aren't. while he has ideas regarding improvement he has zero saying HOW he will do these. Everything is "with me as president, this will change". Really? with money and infrastructure falling out of the sky?
    You are doing it too, you are not reading the details - read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions on a position click Read More and it tells you how
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,127
    The DNC's anti-Trump handbook appears to have been released by the Russians ...

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    gawker.com/this-looks-like-the-dncs-hacked-trump-oppo-file-1782040426
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,127
    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,877

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:



    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.

    This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
    Read it and say why it is incoherent
    Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.

    Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.

    Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
    Some American companies are forced.

    TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.

    Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.

    Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?
    Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
    Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
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    Jason P said:

    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...

    Know your enemy.
    Smart
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,664
    Pretty sure Trump knows everything that is coming at him already...
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,127

    Jason P said:

    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...

    Know your enemy.
    Smart
    To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.
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    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:



    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.

    This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
    Read it and say why it is incoherent
    Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.

    Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.

    Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
    Some American companies are forced.

    TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.

    Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.

    Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?
    Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
    Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
    1- I would say every entrepreneur that wants to expand.
    2 - TPP would rather do it than have Trump do it, power on their side
    3 - I know how trade wars work but this issue was coming and has to be dealt with to avoid one.
    Apple as an example can only sit and watch to see what comes.
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    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...

    Know your enemy.
    Smart
    To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.
    Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?
    So this is like coles notes for him.
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    g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,138
    Jason P said:

    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...

    Then change the strategy by then he'll be totally confused by then.

    Peace

    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,127
    It would be funny if he brought the manual with him to the debates filled with notes.
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    EnkiduEnkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996

    Enkidu said:

    For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    Anything less would be uncivilized.

    I clicked on the site. The first thing I saw is about Mexico paying for the wall. Which has always seemed like laughable bullshit. So I found this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-crumbling-wall-plan-1460320010

    And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/

    And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3

    I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."

    Again right from the source, read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
    For a moment read his plan and then come back and say why it won't work.
    This is what I am debating not "it's laughable bullshit" but I won't say why.
    I did what you asked, I read the link. Well, one of Trump's positions - "pay for the wall." I thought it sounded like bullshit. So I looked online and - voila - there were plenty of other people who also thought it was bullshit. Like the Wall St. Journal (hardly a hotbed of liberals).

    You asked for facts, I gave them.
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    PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited June 2016
    Enkidu said:

    Enkidu said:

    For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    Anything less would be uncivilized.

    I clicked on the site. The first thing I saw is about Mexico paying for the wall. Which has always seemed like laughable bullshit. So I found this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-crumbling-wall-plan-1460320010

    And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/

    And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3

    I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."

    Again right from the source, read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
    For a moment read his plan and then come back and say why it won't work.
    This is what I am debating not "it's laughable bullshit" but I won't say why.
    I did what you asked, I read the link. Well, one of Trump's positions - "pay for the wall." I thought it sounded like bullshit. So I looked online and - voila - there were plenty of other people who also thought it was bullshit. Like the Wall St. Journal (hardly a hotbed of liberals).

    You asked for facts, I gave them.
    You gave facts from other people.
    Now give your opinion why it is bullshit and won't work.
    I couldn't open the Wall St.Journal one unless I subscribe.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,179

    deadendp said:

    PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.

    You don't need to back up your claim? Decided via news and reading that it is not your candidate?
    What about his positions and how he will put them to action have you read any, at all?
    Pick one and say why it will fail https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

    No one ever talks about his plans or policies. They are clearly laid out on his site.
    Tell me why his plans won't work.
    no they aren't. while he has ideas regarding improvement he has zero saying HOW he will do these. Everything is "with me as president, this will change". Really? with money and infrastructure falling out of the sky?
    You are doing it too, you are not reading the details - read https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions on a position click Read More and it tells you how
    no, I read a good portion of it, and I stand by my comment. this one made me laugh out loud:

    The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

    If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
    Flight Risk out NOW!

    www.headstonesband.com




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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,492

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...

    Know your enemy.
    Smart
    To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.
    Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?
    So this is like coles notes for him.
    I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,877

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:



    Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.

    This only about the 4th time I've posted this. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
    Read it and say why it is incoherent
    Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.

    Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.

    Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
    Some American companies are forced.

    TPP will force China just like Trump will if POTUS.

    Losing access via trade war? Well of course they won't be happy but that is a theoretical situation. Not going to happen.

    Comment 1: Can you tell me the name of the American company that is forced to do business in China?
    Comment 2: TPP will force China just like Trump? I don't understand.
    Comment 3: Well it depends on what the war is about and how long and deep it goes. But if China responds with a massive tariff, then yes... Apple could lose rational access. It's not a closed border, but the tariff is so high that you stop exporting. That's how trade wars work.
    1- I would say every entrepreneur that wants to expand.
    2 - TPP would rather do it than have Trump do it, power on their side
    3 - I know how trade wars work but this issue was coming and has to be dealt with to avoid one.
    Apple as an example can only sit and watch to see what comes.
    Okay, so you and I have different definitions of 'forced'. If a business wants the China market, yeah you're right, they are forced to do business in China. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it? It's essentially what you said.

    My point is that Trump is against the TPP. But the TPP will accomplish, without a trade war, precisely what the realistic goals of Trumps's plans are. I mean re-valuing currency and balancing the trade deficit with China. It won't bring jobs back, but neither will Trump's plans. The jobs for the US are white collar jobs in the new economy. They aren't blue collar factory.

    Factory jobs in the US in the future will be operating the machines that are making products more efficiently than the people in China. These US workers will be trained as engineers, technicians, six sigma process leaders and other higher educated job. It won't be Laverne and Shirley bottling beer.
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    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    Trump now knows and can prepare for every single strategy the DNC was going to use ...

    Know your enemy.
    Smart
    To be fair, all Trump had to do was Google "Trump Buffoon" and he could have compiled the same list himself.
    Just not as succinct, his reading level is at grade 5 I believe a lot of people say right?
    So this is like coles notes for him.
    I need facts from YOU please show me where he has said " oops i made a mistake i was wrong on the Orlando shooter he is an American "
    He hasn't said that.
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