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Trump wants to start a trade war with China with tariffs. But paradoxically, also wants to kill the TPP which China doesn't want either. He talks out of both sides of his mouth which means he is lying or has no real knowledge of global economics. This is a primary reason I dislike him so much. He doesn't have a coherent strategy.
Okay, to start, he says we have gained no access to Chinese market in the lead paragraph And then several paragraphs later, he decries that American companies are forced to release proprietary information when they enter the market. So which is it? And if the GE, Boeing and others felt that it was NPV negative to enter the Chinese market, then they would not enter. And incidentally, theses are the same conditions that are imposed on Intel and their tech releases to Advanced Micro Devices.
Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.
Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
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PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
And we need you Cleveland people to deliver Ohio. Can't trust Cincitucky.
PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
And we need you Cleveland people to deliver Ohio. Can't trust Cincitucky.
We've actually passed on seeing Ministry in Cleveland because of the hot mess that will be the RNC. That hurt, but we have to consider our safety over that concert.
I'm actually south of Cleveland, but far closer than you are. We all need to pull this around together!
PJFan, I do not like Trump. I do not hate him. I don't hate anyone. I do very much hate actions of people. I seriously fear for our country if he is at the helm. You don't live here, right? If you do, vote as you want but know this loud and clear, my vote will not be for Trump-- even if a gun was placed to my head. I don't need to back up my claim of worry. It's how I feel and I don't need to defend it. I have a 12 1/2 year old who has decided through news and reading that he is not her candidate, either. I will take advantage of my right to vote and exercise it as my heart directs me to.
And we need you Cleveland people to deliver Ohio. Can't trust Cincitucky.
We've actually passed on seeing Ministry in Cleveland because of the hot mess that will be the RNC. That hurt, but we have to consider our safety over that concert.
I'm actually south of Cleveland, but far closer than you are. We all need to pull this around together!
I was born and raised in Strongsville but live VA now. We need both states!
I didn't vote for Obama in either election, but I'm starting to like him more and more. Keep going after trump. ".....especially politicians who tweet." Good line mr. President.
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Trump is certainly trending downwards....he's at 89% amongst Hispanics. That has to hurt.
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I had a client that was a Blackwater "consultant" in Iraq....I'm interested to hear what he has to say. That cash was well accounted for according to him (at least at his level.)
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Thanks! Allman's at the Fillmore in 71 is one of the all time great live shows. Newbury Comics actually has a two vinyl set pressed in clear wax. It's quite nice.
For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Anything less would be uncivilized.
You must be joking if he was someone who I respected I would do that , this bafoon doesn't deserve any facts since all he does is dismiss everything put in front of him ... Let's see yesterday he was still saying the Orlando shooter was born in Afghanistan when in FACT he was born right here in Queens 5 miles from where I work go ahead dispute this !!!
For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Anything less would be uncivilized.
You must be joking if he was someone who I respected I would do that , this bafoon doesn't deserve any facts since all he does is dismiss everything put in front of him ... Let's see yesterday he was still saying the Orlando shooter was born in Afghanistan when in FACT he was born right here in Queens 5 miles from where I work go ahead dispute this !!!
actually he said that he was born in "Afghan"....as if it could be any stupider
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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For the rest of the Trump haters from now on please kindly back up your hate with facts that dispute his positions on this page https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions
Anything less would be uncivilized.
You must be joking if he was someone who I respected I would do that , this bafoon doesn't deserve any facts since all he does is dismiss everything put in front of him ... Let's see yesterday he was still saying the Orlando shooter was born in Afghanistan when in FACT he was born right here in Queens 5 miles from where I work go ahead dispute this !!!
actually he said that he was born in "Afghan"....as if it could be any stupider
I bet he couldn't point on a map where Afghanistan is !! His an embarrassment ..
So now Trump is theorizing on Obama being in cahoots with terrorists and still keeps saying the gunman in Orlando was born in Afghanistan when in fact he was born right here in Queens NY , this guy is a habitual compulsive liar , please prove me wrong you Trumpsters your candidate is a total bafoon !!!
You know it won't happen, the only response will be some canned troll comment thst barely makes sense and is of no relevance.
I know his fallowers are totally blinded by their idiocy of believing this nut case ...
There aren't any real followers that post here regularly, pjfan is just a troll who enjoys seeing people squirm, godfather is just a hater of liberals who accepts trump for the same reason, and BS doesn't like trump either, but he joins the troll party in order to deny any claims of racism and further his ridiculous neocon opinions.
Haven't joined a troll party... just can't let the self hating surrender socialist caucus from being the only voice out there. The PJ fan base I know is made of stiffer stuff then what often appears on the AMT.
Self hating? Wtf?
apparently those of us who oppose fighting a war and are all about moving this country forward in effort to improve it are self hating.
You think you're moving it forward through your "tolerance" but your inability to confront the radicalism that is slowly penetrating and consuming mainstream Islam is actually moving your country and the world backwards. 11 Islamic countries have laws on the books that state homosexuality is punishable by death. These countries oppress gays. These countries oppress women. These countries oppress christians. These countries oppress jews. Children are raised in these countries to believe these things and for many years they have come to our shores. Some are coming here due to their own persecution but when they come they do not leave their beliefs behind. Those beliefs come here and grow within their communities. Omar Mateen's father holds these views. The Iranian Imam who was welcomed into the Orlando community holds these views. These views are slowly but surely becoming mainstream and our westernized world has become so self hating to the point that we no longer confront these evil views here or overseas as we do not want to offend. We bend over backwards to be tolerant of the intolerant and refuse to impose our views of acceptance onto an islamic culture that is regressing. We will all regress with them.
Yo have absolutely NO clue about where other people stand on the issue dude. You have a bunch of made up shit, preconceptions in your mind about the "self hating surrender socialist caucus" that are completely wrong. TOTALLY wrong. For example, I have personally been one of the more outspoken people on these boards when it comes to Islamic oppression of women and the oppression of gays in the world. In fact, I have attempted to have real discussions about this very thing in the context of it being an international human rights catastrophe. I sure never saw you jump in and support what I was saying. I have also spoken against Sharia law. I have also spoken for the rights and freedoms of peaceful Muslims, and for helping Syrian refugees. Guess what?? People can acknowledge terrible things that need attention (things that "your crew" yap about but don't actually seem to give two fucks about unless it culminates in creating inequalities for and fear of Muslims) without being huge bigots. I know, crazy, right?!?!
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
So now Trump is theorizing on Obama being in cahoots with terrorists and still keeps saying the gunman in Orlando was born in Afghanistan when in fact he was born right here in Queens NY , this guy is a habitual compulsive liar , please prove me wrong you Trumpsters your candidate is a total bafoon !!!
You know it won't happen, the only response will be some canned troll comment thst barely makes sense and is of no relevance.
I know his fallowers are totally blinded by their idiocy of believing this nut case ...
There aren't any real followers that post here regularly, pjfan is just a troll who enjoys seeing people squirm, godfather is just a hater of liberals who accepts trump for the same reason, and BS doesn't like trump either, but he joins the troll party in order to deny any claims of racism and further his ridiculous neocon opinions.
Haven't joined a troll party... just can't let the self hating surrender socialist caucus from being the only voice out there. The PJ fan base I know is made of stiffer stuff then what often appears on the AMT.
Self hating? Wtf?
apparently those of us who oppose fighting a war and are all about moving this country forward in effort to improve it are self hating.
You think you're moving it forward through your "tolerance" but your inability to confront the radicalism that is slowly penetrating and consuming mainstream Islam is actually moving your country and the world backwards. 11 Islamic countries have laws on the books that state homosexuality is punishable by death. These countries oppress gays. These countries oppress women. These countries oppress christians. These countries oppress jews. Children are raised in these countries to believe these things and for many years they have come to our shores. Some are coming here due to their own persecution but when they come they do not leave their beliefs behind. Those beliefs come here and grow within their communities. Omar Mateen's father holds these views. The Iranian Imam who was welcomed into the Orlando community holds these views. These views are slowly but surely becoming mainstream and our westernized world has become so self hating to the point that we no longer confront these evil views here or overseas as we do not want to offend. We bend over backwards to be tolerant of the intolerant and refuse to impose our views of acceptance onto an islamic culture that is regressing. We will all regress with them.
Yo have absolutely NO clue about where other people stand on the issue dude. You have a bunch of made up shit, preconceptions in your mind about the "self hating surrender socialist caucus" that are completely wrong. TOTALLY wrong. For example, I have personally been one of the more outspoken people on these boards when it comes to Islamic oppression of women and the oppression of gays in the world. In fact, I have attempted to have real discussions about this very thing in the context of it being an international human rights catastrophe. I sure never saw you jump in and support what I was saying. I have also spoken against Sharia law. I have also spoken for the rights and freedoms of peaceful Muslims, and for helping Syrian refugees. Guess what?? People can acknowledge terrible things that need attention (things that "your crew" yap about but don't actually seem to give two fucks about unless it culminates in creating inequalities for and fear of Muslims) without being huge bigots. I know, crazy, right?!?!
Why are you making this about you? I'm pretty sure this was written in response to someone else. However if you happen to believe that I am looking to "create inequalities for and fear of Muslims" then you are actually guilty of what you just accused me of.
So now Trump is theorizing on Obama being in cahoots with terrorists and still keeps saying the gunman in Orlando was born in Afghanistan when in fact he was born right here in Queens NY , this guy is a habitual compulsive liar , please prove me wrong you Trumpsters your candidate is a total bafoon !!!
You know it won't happen, the only response will be some canned troll comment thst barely makes sense and is of no relevance.
I know his fallowers are totally blinded by their idiocy of believing this nut case ...
There aren't any real followers that post here regularly, pjfan is just a troll who enjoys seeing people squirm, godfather is just a hater of liberals who accepts trump for the same reason, and BS doesn't like trump either, but he joins the troll party in order to deny any claims of racism and further his ridiculous neocon opinions.
Haven't joined a troll party... just can't let the self hating surrender socialist caucus from being the only voice out there. The PJ fan base I know is made of stiffer stuff then what often appears on the AMT.
Self hating? Wtf?
apparently those of us who oppose fighting a war and are all about moving this country forward in effort to improve it are self hating.
You think you're moving it forward through your "tolerance" but your inability to confront the radicalism that is slowly penetrating and consuming mainstream Islam is actually moving your country and the world backwards. 11 Islamic countries have laws on the books that state homosexuality is punishable by death. These countries oppress gays. These countries oppress women. These countries oppress christians. These countries oppress jews. Children are raised in these countries to believe these things and for many years they have come to our shores. Some are coming here due to their own persecution but when they come they do not leave their beliefs behind. Those beliefs come here and grow within their communities. Omar Mateen's father holds these views. The Iranian Imam who was welcomed into the Orlando community holds these views. These views are slowly but surely becoming mainstream and our westernized world has become so self hating to the point that we no longer confront these evil views here or overseas as we do not want to offend. We bend over backwards to be tolerant of the intolerant and refuse to impose our views of acceptance onto an islamic culture that is regressing. We will all regress with them.
Yo have absolutely NO clue about where other people stand on the issue dude. You have a bunch of made up shit, preconceptions in your mind about the "self hating surrender socialist caucus" that are completely wrong. TOTALLY wrong. For example, I have personally been one of the more outspoken people on these boards when it comes to Islamic oppression of women and the oppression of gays in the world. In fact, I have attempted to have real discussions about this very thing in the context of it being an international human rights catastrophe. I sure never saw you jump in and support what I was saying. I have also spoken against Sharia law. I have also spoken for the rights and freedoms of peaceful Muslims, and for helping Syrian refugees. Guess what?? People can acknowledge terrible things that need attention (things that "your crew" yap about but don't actually seem to give two fucks about unless it culminates in creating inequalities for and fear of Muslims) without being huge bigots. I know, crazy, right?!?!
Why are you making this about you? I'm pretty sure this was written in response to someone else. However if you happen to believe that I am looking to "create inequalities for and fear of Muslims" then you are actually guilty of what you just accused me of.
I'm not making it about me (I was using myself as an example). YOu were referring to many people there, that is what I'm responding to. My sentiment applies to all of these so-called blind Muslim-lovers who you're talking about. I have NEVER seen you post anything that suggests that you're not bigoted towards Muslims, so I don't think I am guilty of that at all.
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Only way I could have seen Trump winning was if there was some sort of a terrorist attack and people felt to side with him because he's perceived as the "stronger" candidate.
But......... yeah, he completely fucked that up too.
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Second, of course they manipulate currency. Everyone knows. But the TPP will force China to revalue their currency if they want to join which they've hinted they want to do.
Third, how do you think Apple or Google or MS feels about losing access to China when Trump starts a trade war? And do you think those jobs would come back to the US? Negative. They would go to India, Malaysia, Ireland, Philippines.
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And this. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a43191/john-oliver-donald-trump-wall/
And this. http://www.businessinsider.com/can-donald-trumps-build-wall-mexico-2016-3
I could go on. Because if you Google "Does Trump's plan to build the wall make any sense," you get pages and pages of, "No, it doesn't."
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
I'm actually south of Cleveland, but far closer than you are. We all need to pull this around together!
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
I was born and raised in Strongsville but live VA now. We need both states!
You're in VA? Did we have this conversation? I'm from VA, still have family there.
You're in VA? Did we have this conversation? I'm from VA, still have family there.
I don't think we did. I'm in the Richmond area.
we will find a way, we will find our place
70% unfavorable....ouch!!
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Let's see yesterday he was still saying the Orlando shooter was born in Afghanistan when in FACT he was born right here in Queens 5 miles from where I work go ahead dispute this !!!
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I have NEVER seen you post anything that suggests that you're not bigoted towards Muslims, so I don't think I am guilty of that at all.
But......... yeah, he completely fucked that up too.
Gonna be an absolute bloodbath in November.