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  • newy777
    newy777 Posts: 89
    Some of this wasn´t brought up in talking about Trump but relating to Trump I would say his comments on restructuring of debt,comments on fed audit, not going down Bernie socialist path to destruction etc. I believe more change can happen under Trump than the others but saying that I still am not a big fan of his personality.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    newy777 said:

    Some of this wasn´t brought up in talking about Trump but relating to Trump I would say his comments on restructuring of debt,comments on fed audit, not going down Bernie socialist path to destruction etc. I believe more change can happen under Trump than the others but saying that I still am not a big fan of his personality.

    Succinct posts like these are what Trump supporters appreciate.
    Truth should be very swift and to the point.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    newy777 said:

    Some of this wasn´t brought up in talking about Trump but relating to Trump I would say his comments on restructuring of debt,comments on fed audit, not going down Bernie socialist path to destruction etc. I believe more change can happen under Trump than the others but saying that I still am not a big fan of his personality.

    Succinct posts like these are what Trump supporters appreciate.
    Truth should be very swift and to the point.
    But what change is that? I'm not for Bernie so that's not a contra point for me.

    You cannot default on the debt. Period. The full faith of the US government is not one of his half ass businesses.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    I don't know of another candidate that is saying the debt needs to be addressed another way.
    Do you?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    I don't know of another candidate that is saying the debt needs to be addressed another way.
    Do you?

    I agree that with sanders pulling Clinton left in the debates about how to create new entitlements, there hasn't been any talk of debt reduction. But that doesn't make Trump's solution any less ridiculous. I look forward to the Democrats plan once she shakes him and gets to politic as the centrist she is.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    ^^^
    Exactly.
    What is taking you guys so long to get to this point?
    It will be Hillary vs Trump.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Exactly.
    What is taking you guys so long to get to this point?
    It will be Hillary vs Trump.

    Fucking Bernie. But I think this fight he picked with Barney is the last straw. He's no lightweight and Warren is an ally. Lest everyone forget the law is called Dodd-Frank, not Dodd-Sanders...
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    ^^^
    Like Frank and Beans?

    edit - I knew the jist of that law, but this link is for others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Like Frank and Beans?

    edit - I knew the jist of that law, but this link is for others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act

    I think you get my point. He's picking fights with not just 'establishment' Democrats, but ones that have been very active in getting meaningful laws passed, unlike Sanders. I think you know that Barney was the first openly gay congressman too and was very active in those causes. So this is a bit different than Wasserman-Shultz here. Barney was chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. It's a bridge too far for Bernie and his war on the Democrats.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    I see the point that no matter how long a bridge is Trump will cross it.
    The aftermath comes later.
  • inmyNC
    inmyNC amongst many Posts: 243
    I may be drinking a bit but I'm listening to the beautiful "Avacado" album... I'll say this " Its an inside job today, I know this one thing well"....sorry for the interrupt , please carry on!! P&L
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    inmyNC said:

    I may be drinking a bit but I'm listening to the beautiful "Avacado" album... I'll say this " Its an inside job today, I know this one thing well"....sorry for the interrupt , please carry on!! P&L

    No need for sorries.
    Stuff your sorries in a sack :smiley:

    How can anyone not like this little interrupt from someone who likes "Avocado".
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • inmyNC
    inmyNC amongst many Posts: 243
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    inmyNC said:

    I may be drinking a bit but I'm listening to the beautiful "Avacado" album... I'll say this " Its an inside job today, I know this one thing well"....sorry for the interrupt , please carry on!! P&L

    No need for sorries.
    Stuff your sorries in a sack :smiley:
    https://youtu.be/9eaUXkicnXQ
    How can anyone not like this little interrupt from someone who likes "Avocado".
    Haha!
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    newy777 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    ^^It's an interesting post, but it's wrapped in economic theory (like socialism) that ignores the massive human suffering that is caused when true free market capitalism is allowed to play out. We only have to look at 1929 to see what happens when you have laissez-faire regulation and monetary policy. Worse, when Hoover tried to fix it with 'conservative' actions, unemployment didn't move an inch. Now everyone gives FDR credit, and that's fair to some extent. But let's not underestimate the value of a good war to drag you out of a depression. Mobilization is what got us out finally.

    Regarding the work force, I'm not sure how it is you are saying that Obama immediately impacted the labor force participation right when he took office (or technically, before since he didn't take office until 2009). There are a confluence of things that came together at this time...effects of free trade, recession and let's not forget that Baby Boomers turned 60-63 years old in 2008. That is a huge factor in the drain on our social services too.

    The market economy is the made up of natural processes in human behaviour. Capitalism can´t be compared to socialism as socialism can only exist partly in the capitalist system. The free market is efficient,for example,the best product gets sold at the best price.This in turn sparks entrepreneurism and competition leading to a higher standard of living. Consumers decide in this system if a company will prosper or fail so this encourages hard work and morality flourishes in this environment. When governments get too involved with this naturally occurring system , ineffiencies arise and quite often crony capitalism flourishes. Now with socialism,I have big concerns about the mindset of people who are dependant on government to intervene on their behalf, as they will be a victim of a system promoting detrimental policies to their own unknowing. You have probably heard socialism being called communist light. Freedom is at stake. The most interesting thing about capitalism to me is that people are obliged to dedicate their means to satisfying the consumer to the best they can. This is the fabric of a prosperous society. Nothing is static and everyone has a chance to excel at their own abilities to make the world a better place.

    Regarding LFP there was indeed a confluence of events happening or which led to this labor force participation rate to decline at this point in time. My criticism is what he has done to fix it after the decline. There have been no fiscal policy to impact this positively. I feel the FED is too politicized too. Their mandate shouldn´t extend to propping up markets and their desire to cause the wealth effect. This has been a major factor in causing the inequality we see today.
    I concede that the free market do need some constraints but not to the level of how it is today. Today there is no room for the little guy to compete with big corporations due to the bought and sold Hillary´s of the world.

    Regarding the baby boomers, the promises made in the past can´t be made good. It is mathematically impossible. http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/medicare-social-security-tabs-coming-due
    I´m not an american but care very much for humanity. The world needs a new course and its at least health to discuss these important issues..
    I think you mean the Clintons AND Trumps of the world.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    Just another bump in the road on the way to POTUS http://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-orders-release-of-documents-in-trump-university-lawsuit-1464489802
    “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He’s a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel,” Mr. Trump said Friday, as the crowd of several thousand booed. “He is not doing the right thing. And I figure, what the hell? Why not talk about it for two minutes?”


  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,540
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Just another bump in the road on the way to POTUS http://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-orders-release-of-documents-in-trump-university-lawsuit-1464489802
    “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He’s a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel,” Mr. Trump said Friday, as the crowd of several thousand booed. “He is not doing the right thing. And I figure, what the hell? Why not talk about it for two minutes?”


    Haha his funny as shit gotta give him that !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    Trump U is gonna leave a mark

    Not to his current followers of course. Trump could come out and say he's a socialist and his current followers would still vote for him.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    A lot of people are socialists and would be a fan if he said that.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Just another bump in the road on the way to POTUS http://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-orders-release-of-documents-in-trump-university-lawsuit-1464489802
    “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He’s a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel,” Mr. Trump said Friday, as the crowd of several thousand booed. “He is not doing the right thing. And I figure, what the hell? Why not talk about it for two minutes?”


    Yes of course. Nothing says 'presidential' than taking some time to criticize a federal judge hearing a case about something in which you have keen interest. And nothing says, 'tolerant' like pointing out that he's Mexican. I wonder why Trump didn't point out that he went to two Ivy League schools, was born in Chicago in the 50's or all sorts of other characteristics. No... he just pointed out that he was probably Mexican.

    “What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Mr. Trump said.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Just another bump in the road on the way to POTUS http://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-orders-release-of-documents-in-trump-university-lawsuit-1464489802
    “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He’s a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel,” Mr. Trump said Friday, as the crowd of several thousand booed. “He is not doing the right thing. And I figure, what the hell? Why not talk about it for two minutes?”


    Yes of course. Nothing says 'presidential' than taking some time to criticize a federal judge hearing a case about something in which you have keen interest. And nothing says, 'tolerant' like pointing out that he's Mexican. I wonder why Trump didn't point out that he went to two Ivy League schools, was born in Chicago in the 50's or all sorts of other characteristics. No... he just pointed out that he was probably Mexican.

    “What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Mr. Trump said.
    Nothing racist about that, just ask BS lol
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