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jeffbr

It makes sense to me when discussing illegal immigration and the issues surrounding the topic, that the focus is on Mexicans, as they make up half of all illegal immigrants in this country and they share a border with us. It wouldn't make much sense to me to focus on a small group of illegal immigrants when discussing issues, or needs for reform. Highlighting Mexican illegal immigrants is way more impactful than highlighting a few Sri Lankin illegals, or a few Croatian illegals, or a few Canadian illegals

That being said, I don't condone racism when talking about Mexican immigrants. They should only be highlighted because of their numbers not because of their skin color. If we had millions of illiegal Irish immigrants here, and only tens of thousands of Mexican immigrants, I'd expect the focus to be on the Irish..

PJ_Soul

You are reasonable to expect that.... I just don't think that would be the case. I think race/racism has a LOT to do with it. If this were 1925, back when people were racist toward the Irish in America, then yeah. But not so much now. The Mexican immigrant thing is a real hot button issue that is being exploited by Trump because of the racism involved IMO.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

I still feel there is an element of racism even with our illegals. Nobody says deport the thousands of illegal Irish who come to the US every year.

That's true. There are TONS of white illegals in the US and no one seems to mind.

The same people do mind. It is your assumption that this is only about Latin American illegals is what is so off base.

Oh yeah? What makes you say that? Where is the evidence that that is really true? I've never really seen any. You aren't seriously trying to suggest that the same sentiments are being applied towards white illegals and Mexican or Muslim illegals, are you?? If you are, you're in la la land, or just making shit up.

Yes I am seriously trying to suggest that. It is the open borders crowd that wants to make this about race in order to avoid a discussion on illegal immigration altogether. That game is over. Yelling racism has lost the power it once had.

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

I still feel there is an element of racism even with our illegals. Nobody says deport the thousands of illegal Irish who come to the US every year.

That's true. There are TONS of white illegals in the US and no one seems to mind.

The same people do mind. It is your assumption that this is only about Latin American illegals is what is so off base.

Oh yeah? What makes you say that? Where is the evidence that that is really true? I've never really seen any. You aren't seriously trying to suggest that the same sentiments are being applied towards white illegals and Mexican or Muslim illegals, are you?? If you are, you're in la la land, or just making shit up.

Yes I am seriously trying to suggest that. It is the open borders crowd that wants to make this about race in order to avoid a discussion on illegal immigration altogether. That game is over. Yelling racism has lost the power it once had.

WTF is the open borders crowd? I've never heard anyone advocate for an open border.
And it's not a game. And actually racism is still a very powerful issue.

mace1229

eddiec said:

mace1229 said:

eddiec said:

I still feel there is an element of racism even with our illegals. Nobody says deport the thousands of illegal Irish who come to the US every year.

I think most people would agree they should follow the same laws. However, they are just a small fraction compared to the thousands coming every day from the southern boarder. You have to bandage the gaping wound first before you bleed out, then you can stitch up the minor cuts.

If there is ever any level of deportation, all illegals should follow the same guidelines. But you need to fix the Mexico/US boarder problem first before any measures are taken or it won't many any difference.

So imagine if Trump said he was starting with the Mexicans and working his way down and then deporting every last illegal Irish person. He would lose every Irish-American vote. There are 34.5 million people in the country who claim Irish heritage. Not all are voting for Trump but he would never even dare go there so instead he targeted the Mexicans to rally the support of racist followers.

Edit: He's got all those 'Speak English mother fucker, this is my country' people in his pocket.

I don't think so. Ceasar Chavez was against illegal immigration and said it deflated the value of the legal migrant worker. Even he was against it. Now would he have deported anyone I have no idea, but he wanted to stop it.

It makes sense to follow the laws of the country, no matter your heritage.

josevolution

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

I still feel there is an element of racism even with our illegals. Nobody says deport the thousands of illegal Irish who come to the US every year.

That's true. There are TONS of white illegals in the US and no one seems to mind.

The same people do mind. It is your assumption that this is only about Latin American illegals is what is so off base.

Oh yeah? What makes you say that? Where is the evidence that that is really true? I've never really seen any. You aren't seriously trying to suggest that the same sentiments are being applied towards white illegals and Mexican or Muslim illegals, are you?? If you are, you're in la la land, or just making shit up.

Yes I am seriously trying to suggest that. It is the open borders crowd that wants to make this about race in order to avoid a discussion on illegal immigration altogether. That game is over. Yelling racism has lost the power it once had.

No it hasn't the way Trump presented himself onto the main stage was by saying racist crap or did you already forget it or it really doesn't matter anymore to you !

rgambs

josevolution said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

I still feel there is an element of racism even with our illegals. Nobody says deport the thousands of illegal Irish who come to the US every year.

That's true. There are TONS of white illegals in the US and no one seems to mind.

The same people do mind. It is your assumption that this is only about Latin American illegals is what is so off base.

Oh yeah? What makes you say that? Where is the evidence that that is really true? I've never really seen any. You aren't seriously trying to suggest that the same sentiments are being applied towards white illegals and Mexican or Muslim illegals, are you?? If you are, you're in la la land, or just making shit up.

Yes I am seriously trying to suggest that. It is the open borders crowd that wants to make this about race in order to avoid a discussion on illegal immigration altogether. That game is over. Yelling racism has lost the power it once had.

No it hasn't the way Trump presented himself onto the main stage was by saying racist crap or did you already forget it or it really doesn't matter anymore to you !

BS doesn't see racism, apparently it doesn't exist.
Trump assumes some Mexicans are good people so he clearly isn't a racist...

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

You are reasonable to expect that.... I just don't think that would be the case. I think race/racism has a LOT to do with it. If this were 1925, back when people were racist toward the Irish in America, then yeah. But not so much now. The Mexican immigrant thing is a real hot button issue that is being exploited by Trump because of the racism involved IMO.

When it comes to Trump and his supporters, I think you're generally right. I just wanted to throw my two cents in about why it is relevant to use Mexicans as a primary example when discussing illegal immigration and immigration reform. I don't deny that there is a lot of racism around this issue. But I also want to make sure we can discuss illegal immigration as it relates to our southern neighbors without being called out as racists.

Gern Blansten

I wonder if Trump followers assume all white people are illegal Canadians

mace1229

What about those Native Americans? Deport them back to their homeland too.

cincybearcat

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

eddiec said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

rgambs said:

Dirtie_Frank said:

How about waving the Mexican Flag. If Mexico is so great why are they here in the USA protesting? That is ironic to me

That is a middle school level assessment of immigration

There needs to be immigration reform, but who is going to take people serious that throw rocks at police officers and brandish the flag from the country they left? They lose credibility in my opinion.

Yes, any protest that turns into a riot loses credibility.

Vancouver turned into a riot over a hockey game.

Brandishing the flag of another country? Nearly all Americans take part in some form of celebration of their motherland. Paddy's Day, Columbus Day, Puerto Rican Day parade....the list is endless.

I have no issue with flying a flag to honor a persons heritage, but to fly a flag of another country to protest the US just loses credibility in my eyes. It makes me feel they think Mexico is better.

They weren't protesting the US, they were protesting a demagogue who throws around outlandish claims and outright insults aimed at the people who inhabit their homeland.

While admitting they were here illegally. Seems crazy to me.

cincybearcat

mace1229 said:

What about those Native Americans? Deport them back to their homeland too.

That's helpful.

mace1229

Clearly a joke

josevolution

rgambs said:

josevolution said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

I still feel there is an element of racism even with our illegals. Nobody says deport the thousands of illegal Irish who come to the US every year.

That's true. There are TONS of white illegals in the US and no one seems to mind.

The same people do mind. It is your assumption that this is only about Latin American illegals is what is so off base.

Oh yeah? What makes you say that? Where is the evidence that that is really true? I've never really seen any. You aren't seriously trying to suggest that the same sentiments are being applied towards white illegals and Mexican or Muslim illegals, are you?? If you are, you're in la la land, or just making shit up.

Yes I am seriously trying to suggest that. It is the open borders crowd that wants to make this about race in order to avoid a discussion on illegal immigration altogether. That game is over. Yelling racism has lost the power it once had.

No it hasn't the way Trump presented himself onto the main stage was by saying racist crap or did you already forget it or it really doesn't matter anymore to you !

BS doesn't see racism, apparently it doesn't exist.
Trump assumes some Mexicans are good people so he clearly isn't a racist...

Yes and he gets along with the ones that built his tower and the ones that cook for him too !

Godfather.

I wonder if everybody is dumb enough to believe everything they hear about Trump ?.....man and the same people voted for Obama ? HAHHAHHAHHAH Lord, the world has gone crazy...
but guess what ? that's your right as an American, enjoy it without hurting someone else in the process like the pieces of shit at that rally.



Godfather.

josevolution

Godfather. said:

I wonder if everybody is dumb enough to believe everything they hear about Trump ?.....man and the same people voted for Obama ? HAHHAHHAHHAH Lord, the world has gone crazy...
but guess what ? that's your right as an American, enjoy it without hurting someone else in the process like the pieces of shit at that rally.



Godfather.

I'm only talking about what he has said himself nothing else , he said Mexicans that come here are rapist did you hear that or do you think he meant therapist lol !!

Cliffy6745

Godfather. said:

I wonder if everybody is dumb enough to believe everything they hear about Trump ?.....man and the same people voted for Obama ? HAHHAHHAHHAH Lord, the world has gone crazy...
but guess what ? that's your right as an American, enjoy it without hurting someone else in the process like the pieces of shit at that rally.



Godfather.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

eddiec

Has anyone here ever worked in a restaurant in a big city?

Godfather.

he said Mexico sends us rapist and killers after that white gal was rapped and killed by an illegal Mexican in Frisco and the other stories of the same nature, like the illegal in Bakersfield who killed a young white gal and left her carved up body on a farm road, he never said all Mexicans are rapist and killers but these dumb-asses at these rally's just hear what they want.....and we continue to read about the same stuff about illegal's in our country or these so called refugees in other countries.
it's high time ALL American's woke the fuck up ! ......

Godfather.

Kat

Godfather. said:

I wonder if everybody is dumb enough to believe everything they hear about Trump ?.....man and the same people voted for Obama ? HAHHAHHAHHAH Lord, the world has gone crazy...
but guess what ? that's your right as an American, enjoy it without hurting someone else in the process like the pieces of shit at that rally.
Godfather.

There's plenty of video of him saying many things and those I do believe. He seems to believe what he reads in the National Enquirer and I don't but maybe I should? I'm wondering what you think? Should I believe any of this story? Is there some truth in this even if all of it isn't true?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-denies-rape-teenage-7857357