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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    My suggestion is everyone who has not traveled out of the U.S. might want to read some good travel books, especially Henry Rollins Smile, You're Traveling because this is not the only marvelous place on earth. In fact, the most marvelous place on earth is earth.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    brianlux said:

    My suggestion is everyone who has not traveled out of the U.S. might want to read some good travel books, especially Henry Rollins Smile, You're Traveling because this is not the only marvelous place on earth. In fact, the most marvelous place on earth is earth.

    The United States has been the beacon of freedom and hope for 2 centuries. It's the land of opportunity. It's not perfect, but there's a hundred reasons why the immigrant patterns brought the masses here. It's the combination of government, freedom, natural resources, and the opportunity to assimilate, while maintaining some cultural identity. No other nation has ever been able to do what we've done at the scale at which we've done it. I hope you were just being a contrarian.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    mrussel1 said:

    brianlux said:

    My suggestion is everyone who has not traveled out of the U.S. might want to read some good travel books, especially Henry Rollins Smile, You're Traveling because this is not the only marvelous place on earth. In fact, the most marvelous place on earth is earth.

    The United States has been the beacon of freedom and hope for 2 centuries. It's the land of opportunity. It's not perfect, but there's a hundred reasons why the immigrant patterns brought the masses here. It's the combination of government, freedom, natural resources, and the opportunity to assimilate, while maintaining some cultural identity. No other nation has ever been able to do what we've done at the scale at which we've done it. I hope you were just being a contrarian.
    Hundred Reasons?..K, 1,2,3 Go...List em.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    1. Freedom of religion
    2. Freedom of assembly
    3. Right to Bear Arm
    4. Don't have to quarter soldiers
    5. No ex-post facto laws (look it up, it's a biggie)
    6. Freedom of press
    7. Rights against unlawful search and seizure
    8. No double jeopardy
    9. No cruel and unusual punishment
    10. Tax payer funded public education (think this was the norm 100 years ago?)
    11. Right to trial by a jury of your peers
    12. Right to a speedy trial
    13. Full suffrage by US citizens
    14. Opportunity for all rights as a US citizen (with the exception of commander in chief)
    15. No state shall infringe on your rights
    16. Egalitarian opportunities
    17. Greatest set of natural resources in the world
    18. Jobs for immigrants
    19. Opportunities for advancement
    20. The most innovative society since the Romans
    21. We saved the world from tyranny in WWII
    22. We saved the world from the Soviets for the next 50 years
    23. We've been the innovator of most important inventions since the industrial revolution. Many of those came from immigrants.

    There's 20+ to start. I can keep going, but my immigrant father came from teh Ukraine because his family was being slaughtered by the Soviet government through famine. So instead of proving to you that there are 100 reasons that make America great, perhaps I should get back to the job I'm being paid to do, based on the sacrifice my father made to come over here with NOTHING but desire for something better.

    How about we do this.. name me a country that's been a better beacon of hope for the last...say 300 years than the US and we can have that debate.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    You can keep going? So keep going. You said "Hundred Reasons". I'm curious. So please Continue.

    Then i'll take a part your list. I already see too much in your 20something for me to ignore.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mrussel1 said:

    1. Freedom of religion
    2. Freedom of assembly
    3. Right to Bear Arm
    4. Don't have to quarter soldiers
    5. No ex-post facto laws (look it up, it's a biggie)
    6. Freedom of press
    7. Rights against unlawful search and seizure
    8. No double jeopardy
    9. No cruel and unusual punishment
    10. Tax payer funded public education (think this was the norm 100 years ago?)
    11. Right to trial by a jury of your peers
    12. Right to a speedy trial
    13. Full suffrage by US citizens
    14. Opportunity for all rights as a US citizen (with the exception of commander in chief)
    15. No state shall infringe on your rights
    16. Egalitarian opportunities
    17. Greatest set of natural resources in the world
    18. Jobs for immigrants
    19. Opportunities for advancement
    20. The most innovative society since the Romans
    21. We saved the world from tyranny in WWII
    22. We saved the world from the Soviets for the next 50 years
    23. We've been the innovator of most important inventions since the industrial revolution. Many of those came from immigrants.

    There's 20+ to start. I can keep going, but my immigrant father came from teh Ukraine because his family was being slaughtered by the Soviet government through famine. So instead of proving to you that there are 100 reasons that make America great, perhaps I should get back to the job I'm being paid to do, based on the sacrifice my father made to come over here with NOTHING but desire for something better.

    How about we do this.. name me a country that's been a better beacon of hope for the last...say 300 years than the US and we can have that debate.

    we take too much for granted...cool story and cool list.

    Godfather.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited April 2016
    Idris said:

    You can keep going? So keep going. You said "Hundred Reasons". I'm curious. So please Continue.

    Then i'll take a part your list. I already see too much in your 20something for me to ignore.

    Go ahead and pick it apart. I'm not in the mood to start writing for you as the audience. I'd love a good debate. But like I said, it's about the comparison vs other options, not Utopia. Don't tell me that "France has a better judicial process" while ignoring the Jacobin years. So for everything you pick apart, please give me an example of a country that has done that item better for 200+ years... oh and they better have done the other 20 things better too.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    No. You said 'hundred Reasons'. What are they?
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    If you don't have em. Fine. I'll continue.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Godfather. said:

    mrussel1 said:

    1. Freedom of religion
    2. Freedom of assembly
    3. Right to Bear Arm
    4. Don't have to quarter soldiers
    5. No ex-post facto laws (look it up, it's a biggie)
    6. Freedom of press
    7. Rights against unlawful search and seizure
    8. No double jeopardy
    9. No cruel and unusual punishment
    10. Tax payer funded public education (think this was the norm 100 years ago?)
    11. Right to trial by a jury of your peers
    12. Right to a speedy trial
    13. Full suffrage by US citizens
    14. Opportunity for all rights as a US citizen (with the exception of commander in chief)
    15. No state shall infringe on your rights
    16. Egalitarian opportunities
    17. Greatest set of natural resources in the world
    18. Jobs for immigrants
    19. Opportunities for advancement
    20. The most innovative society since the Romans
    21. We saved the world from tyranny in WWII
    22. We saved the world from the Soviets for the next 50 years
    23. We've been the innovator of most important inventions since the industrial revolution. Many of those came from immigrants.

    There's 20+ to start. I can keep going, but my immigrant father came from teh Ukraine because his family was being slaughtered by the Soviet government through famine. So instead of proving to you that there are 100 reasons that make America great, perhaps I should get back to the job I'm being paid to do, based on the sacrifice my father made to come over here with NOTHING but desire for something better.

    How about we do this.. name me a country that's been a better beacon of hope for the last...say 300 years than the US and we can have that debate.

    we take too much for granted...cool story and cool list.

    Godfather.

    Thanks Godfather. Even though you and I are on different ends politically, I don't take this country for granted. My love for the US along with my criticism, are based on the desire to make it better. Think of it as 'married love'. My marriage isn't perfect but I'm committed to making it better. Just like the US. But my marriage is great and I wouldn't trade it for anyone else's. And I wouldn't trade the US for any other country either.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    Add Funyuns to that list.

    Suck it, world.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited April 2016
    Jason P said:

    Add Funyuns to that list.

    Suck it, world.

    Yeah, you think China can come up with Funyuns? No way. Big League Chew? Never. Pop rocks + Coke... fuck off.

    I am a patriot... and I love my country... because my country...
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited April 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    Add Funyuns to that list.

    Suck it, world.

    Yeah, you think China can come up with Funyuns? No way. Big League Chew? Never. Pop rocks + Coke... fuck off.

    I am a patriot... and I love my country... because my country...
    And peanut butter and root beer. And my favorite spirit, the only truly American spirit - Bourbon!

    We're going to get that list to 100 in no time.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    24. Funyans
    25. Big League Chew
    26. Pop Rocks + Coke
    27. Peanut Butter and root beer
    29. Bourbon
    30. Roller Coasters...bitches
    31. PEARL JAM
    32. New York City... the center of the world
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    The Entertainment Industry. Good lord, can you imagine if the BBC had to set the bar early on!
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    NY Seltzer belongs on the list since it's back. Loved that drink as a kid and they use natural cane sugar instead of that Monsanto crap which makes it even better.

    It was Stallone's favorite drink back in the day as well.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    InHiding80 said:

    NY Seltzer belongs on the list since it's back. Loved that drink as a kid and they use natural cane sugar instead of that Monsanto crap which makes it even better.

    It was Stallone's favorite drink back in the day as well.

    I love Frank Stallone. Anything he drinks is good enough for me.

    How about IBC Black Cherry Root Beer?
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    well. At least the list is improving.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Idris said:

    If you don't have em. Fine. I'll continue.

    Go ahead and continue. Which of the original 23 things are you against, or which country does those 23 things better than the US?
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