I'm Green Party so I'm going for Stein anyways. Plus, I'm in CA so we have many propositions and congress needs to be blue just to stop Trump and neolib Hillary.
Exactly! There is so much to vote for besides just president. We give that ONE person too much focus and power. Government is so much more than voting for the Grand Poobah.
My comment went towards what cincy said, toward the presidential candidate(s) up at the time, given that the thread is about Trump. Of course I'll do my due diligence and tick certain boxes on other issues.
I mean, c'mon...I'm not THAT complacent
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I'm Green Party so I'm going for Stein anyways. Plus, I'm in CA so we have many propositions and congress needs to be blue just to stop Trump and neolib Hillary.
Exactly! There is so much to vote for besides just president. We give that ONE person too much focus and power. Government is so much more than voting for the Grand Poobah.
My comment went towards what cincy said, toward the presidential candidate(s) up at the time, given that the thread is about Trump. Of course I'll do my due diligence and tick certain boxes on other issues.
I mean, c'mon...I'm not THAT complacent
Now I see what you're saying, thanks for clarifying.
Those blasted little propositions which so often are the most important in a more direct sense for most of us are the most difficult to vote on. Drive me nuts trying to figure out what many of them really are saying and what they really intend to accomplish.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I fully intend to vote against every incumbent and for/against issues...but I'm probably not voting for president.
So wait, you're voting against every incumbent regardless on where they stand and vote on specific issues? Is that a protest vote or do you live somewhere where it's deep red and you are blue, or vice versa?
Protest vote. All should go. Well if I think the other guy/lady is an asshat I will just skip that vote too. But otherwise, no incumbent. Since they won't put term limits in, I will have my own
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Protest vote. All should go. Well if I think the other guy/lady is an asshat I will just skip that vote too. But otherwise, no incumbent. Since they won't put term limits in, I will have my own
A clean sweep! There are states where I could see doing that. Thankfully, not mine, but even here we could certainly use some changes.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Protest vote. All should go. Well if I think the other guy/lady is an asshat I will just skip that vote too. But otherwise, no incumbent. Since they won't put term limits in, I will have my own
Let me ask.. are you a progressive or a conservative? If a progressive, are you saying you voted against Obama in 2012 as a protest vote... in Ohio?
Protest vote. All should go. Well if I think the other guy/lady is an asshat I will just skip that vote too. But otherwise, no incumbent. Since they won't put term limits in, I will have my own
Let me ask.. are you a progressive or a conservative? If a progressive, are you saying you voted against Obama in 2012 as a protest vote... in Ohio?
I've been conservative....mostly fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I don't live in ohio now, nor in 2008 when I voted for Obama or 2012 when I didn't vote for Obama.
Funny how they're all about free speech until it bashes their fascist messiah and whine about liberal PC crybabies yet become such PC weenies when he gets targeted.
Funny how they're all about free speech until it bashes their fascist messiah and whine about liberal PC crybabies yet become such PC weenies when he gets targeted.
I'm getting the sense that most of the GOP stablishement us getting behind him and a lot of voters will def go his way , I see him winning the General E ....
I'm getting the sense that most of the GOP stablishement us getting behind him and a lot of voters will def go his way , I see him winning the General E ....
That has to be dripping with sarcasm.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
I'm getting the sense that most of the GOP stablishement us getting behind him and a lot of voters will def go his way , I see him winning the General E ....
Fear of hate , he's full of it unless you haven't been paying attention or you totally agree with the deportation of all illegals , the banning of all Muslims etc etc etc I'm afraid of all his followers that will think it's ok to be racist towards any group that doesn't agree with their messiah ...someone like me I don't agree with any of his rethoric I find him repulsive ....
is it really all that difficult being a CEO when you surround yourself with folks who will get the job done? maybe them folks are smart, really smart & or they have great work ethic. maybe being POTUS is the same as being CEO of some corporation somewhere. trump isn't stupid. say what you want about the guy, he isn't a stupid guy. dr. ben carson is in... carson isn't a fool nor a clown. how fucking difficult can it be?
i hope the next president never wears a suit but wears cargo shorts & a filthy tshirt fulla holes & has a beard that stinks... invite other leaders to the party & fix this world up nicely. greed is out the door, folks. fancy ass bullshit isn't getting in. let's be real for once! how fucking difficult can it be?
honestly he said not to let any muslims into the country until this is figured out, and deporting illegals seems very fare to me and no I'm not a racist, all one has to do is read the laws for legal entry in the United States and follow accordingly for citizenship.
What does Ben Carson bring to the table? He knows nothing about economics or international politics. He brings rigid social conservatism. I'm not sure how he's a plus to the campaign outside of religious conservatives.
Outside of what Jose outlines, I have a more practical concern with Trump. What he is selling to the right is completely impractical and will damage the economy or us: 1. Tearing up the trade agreements 2. Encouraging other countries to go nuclear 3. Clearing the deficit in 18 months, by defaulting on the debt (fucking horrible idea...the worst) 4. Building the wall 5. Exiting NATO 6. Being more like Putin/Russia
I can't think of one policy statement that he's said more than once (since he changes his mind all the time) that I can agree with.
If it was only that simple GF. I think you know it isnt. I also think you know that he's not pandering to you specifically. It's the racist, homophobe of middle America. It's empowering the idea the white is right. That's scary.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
Fear of hate , he's full of it unless you haven't been paying attention or you totally agree with the deportation of all illegals , the banning of all Muslims etc etc etc I'm afraid of all his followers that will think it's ok to be racist towards any group that doesn't agree with their messiah ...someone like me I don't agree with any of his rethoric I find him repulsive ....
I get the banning of Muslim issue, but why would it be wrong to deport illegal immigrants? Let me re-phrase that, why would it be an extreme position to deport illegal immigrants? I get why it could seem an impossible task with so many, but enforcing the law of the land shouldn't be seen as extreme or racist when there is a legal immigration process in place. Either we have borders or we don't. Don't pretend that the left cares either. THey want more Democrat voters...
it probably wouldn't hurt to shut down all immigration for awhile. things need reworked, redone, ironed out & figured out. please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot please press pause & reboot
it seems life is like a nonstop nascar race X E=MC^2(9876541234567754533)7^6 like what the fuck is going on? it isn't just america. shit has gotten out of hand all around the world. it is terrible & sad a shit
Fear of hate , he's full of it unless you haven't been paying attention or you totally agree with the deportation of all illegals , the banning of all Muslims etc etc etc I'm afraid of all his followers that will think it's ok to be racist towards any group that doesn't agree with their messiah ...someone like me I don't agree with any of his rethoric I find him repulsive ....
I get the banning of Muslim issue, but why would it be wrong to deport illegal immigrants? Let me re-phrase that, why would it be an extreme position to deport illegal immigrants? I get why it could seem an impossible task with so many, but enforcing the law of the land shouldn't be seen as extreme or racist when there is a legal immigration process in place. Either we have borders or we don't. Don't pretend that the left cares either. THey want more Democrat voters...
The issue is the practicality, less the righteousness of it. 1. There are 80k children born to illegals each year. Birthright citizenship is well established. Do you deport US citizens with their parents or create 80k orphans per year? 2. Each 'illegal' is still entitled to a hearing/due process to prove they are citizens. Think of the cost. 3. A new police force will need to be established to round them up, detain them and set them up for their court date. Think of the cost.
A pathway to citizenship is much more cost effective, humane, rational.
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I am tired; my heart is
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the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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I mean, c'mon...I'm not THAT complacent
Those blasted little propositions which so often are the most important in a more direct sense for most of us are the most difficult to vote on. Drive me nuts trying to figure out what many of them really are saying and what they really intend to accomplish.
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Funny how they're all about free speech until it bashes their fascist messiah and whine about liberal PC crybabies yet become such PC weenies when he gets targeted.
Godfather.
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Godfather.
how fucking difficult can it be?
i hope the next president never wears a suit but wears cargo shorts & a filthy tshirt fulla holes & has a beard that stinks... invite other leaders to the party & fix this world up nicely. greed is out the door, folks. fancy ass bullshit isn't getting in. let's be real for once! how fucking difficult can it be?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
in short so far I agree with his ideas.
Godfather.
Outside of what Jose outlines, I have a more practical concern with Trump. What he is selling to the right is completely impractical and will damage the economy or us:
1. Tearing up the trade agreements
2. Encouraging other countries to go nuclear
3. Clearing the deficit in 18 months, by defaulting on the debt (fucking horrible idea...the worst)
4. Building the wall
5. Exiting NATO
6. Being more like Putin/Russia
I can't think of one policy statement that he's said more than once (since he changes his mind all the time) that I can agree with.
we will find a way, we will find our place
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it seems life is like a nonstop nascar race X E=MC^2(9876541234567754533)7^6
like what the fuck is going on? it isn't just america. shit has gotten out of hand all around the world. it is terrible & sad a shit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
1. There are 80k children born to illegals each year. Birthright citizenship is well established. Do you deport US citizens with their parents or create 80k orphans per year?
2. Each 'illegal' is still entitled to a hearing/due process to prove they are citizens. Think of the cost.
3. A new police force will need to be established to round them up, detain them and set them up for their court date. Think of the cost.
A pathway to citizenship is much more cost effective, humane, rational.