sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
can i ask what storm you are talking about? you have a guy who attacks people on twitter (should a president or prime minster ever be on twitter?) whenever he is attack, he will make your "storm" worse
Global storm. It is happening and I am not convinced that tweets will make it worse. I prefer somebody more statesman like but as Rumsfeld once said "you go to war with the army you have not the army you wish you have."
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
what storm are you referring too? what has you worried? what is worse today than it was 8 years ago when Obama took over?
It was shit before he took over...it is shittier now. I don't believe Obama has performed well during the storm but I don't blame him for the storm itself. The tide of history has been bringing the storm in for years.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
can i ask what storm you are talking about? you have a guy who attacks people on twitter (should a president or prime minster ever be on twitter?) whenever he is attack, he will make your "storm" worse
Global storm. It is happening and I am not convinced that tweets will make it worse. I prefer somebody more statesman like but as Rumsfeld once said "you go to war with the army you have not the army you wish you have."
Global storm? Did you add a wind machine, rain maker and lightening striker to the sand table set up in your basement? Talk about unhinged.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
you said earlier that trump supporters don't live in fear but it kindof does if all they want to hear is that the world is this big scary place where you have to watch your back everywhere you go cause ISIS is going to chop your head off and Russia is going to drop the bomb and everyone is going to die.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
what storm are you referring too? what has you worried? what is worse today than it was 8 years ago when Obama took over?
It was shit before he took over...it is shittier now. I don't believe Obama has performed well during the storm but I don't blame him for the storm itself. The tide of history has been bringing the storm in for years.
As a small contingent of US Special Forces assists local forces in retaking the last ISIS held city. Alt-right, right there.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
what storm are you referring too? what has you worried? what is worse today than it was 8 years ago when Obama took over?
It was shit before he took over...it is shittier now. I don't believe Obama has performed well during the storm but I don't blame him for the storm itself. The tide of history has been bringing the storm in for years.
But can you be clear as to what's worse now than what it was 8 yrs ago ?
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
BS, are you saying that the only positive with Trump is "maybe he's better", and that that's enough? Without this storm analogy, what actual risks are you feeling that Trump is prepared to take compared to Clinton? Also, in what ways has Clinton shown her incompetence (again, above and beyond the ways Trump has)? Finally, who has compromised her? Is she in bed with Putin? The Iranians?
Edit: I see the threats you've listed above, my bad.
That is what I am saying about Trump...yes. He has potential for upside in my eyes.
In terms of Clinton compromised doesn't mean "in bed with" as I don't believe that to be the case. I think the Clinton Foundation has been corrupt from the start...a way for many people to enrich themselves with the odd good deed thrown in to mask the scale of it's corruption. She, Bill and Chelsea received far to much money through the foundation and associated speaking appearances from far to many bad people to not owe extremely large favours. That is being compromised. In addition, setting up a private server to conduct government business demonstrates both corruption and incompetence. We can not prove she was hacked but with Sidney Blumenthal, Powell and the DNC being hacked we have to assume that she was as well. Even if that can't be proved however setting up that server with minimal to no security features and allowing unauthorized IT people to run said server exposed the countries secrets to nefarious actors. These things again leads to her being compromised and prone to blackmail. Additional incompetence would include the Russian re-set, post-war libya etc...her's was a state department that continued to get played by America's enemies. Lastly people should recognize that I am not trolling on this subject. I have been an unashamed Neo-Con since the term even came into being and if anything Hillary probably lines up closer to me then where Trump does on foreign policy. What I can't forgive about her though is how she voted for the Iraq war and then turned on W when the going got tough in the early days of the war. Obama was at least against from the start and that I can respect. Hillary however did not get "lied" to. Bush used the same intelligence that her husband had and she and Bill backed him whole heartedly just like Senator Lieberman and others did. When the going got tough politically though she bailed which demonstrated to me a total lack of character. She needed to own that vote but instead she ran and it wasn't because she all of the sudden "came to her senses". She played politics with national security and did it again with the "General Betrayus" nonsense during the surge. I might not like Trump but I believe he has the steel in the spine that she lacks. During a storm that steel is necessary.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.
I disagree with your analysis and take the completely opposite position. My knowledge of history is quite good and in my opinion it is dangerously wrong to downplay how perilous these times are. Americans sense this and it is the morons who try to convince them otherwise.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.
Would you like to see trump do inthese dangerous time that would make you feel better?
Asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."
"I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are," Trump said. “But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
Would you like to see trump do inthese dangerous time that would make you feel better?
Asked on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."
"I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are," Trump said. “But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
/sure sounds like he has everything under control
He talks to "a lot of people" and at the "appropriate time" he'll tell everyone who these people are. And this is somehow okay.
Yet people on this board were flipping out when HC didn't release all the details of her conversations with her (named) running mate.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.
I disagree with your analysis and take the completely opposite position. My knowledge of history is quite good and in my opinion it is dangerously wrong to downplay how perilous these times are. Americans sense this and it is the morons who try to convince them otherwise.
None of the countries you pointed out create an existential threat to the United States or our allies, with the one exception of S. Korea (which I would argue is generally contained). Give me another period in the last thousand years where you can make such a statement.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.
I disagree with your analysis and take the completely opposite position. My knowledge of history is quite good and in my opinion it is dangerously wrong to downplay how perilous these times are. Americans sense this and it is the morons who try to convince them otherwise.
None of the countries you pointed out create an existential threat to the United States or our allies, with the one exception of S. Korea (which I would argue is generally contained). Give me another period in the last thousand years where you can make such a statement.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.
Fear is in denial. Courage exists amongst those who are willing to confront.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.
sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.
Yes
why?
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.
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In terms of Clinton compromised doesn't mean "in bed with" as I don't believe that to be the case. I think the Clinton Foundation has been corrupt from the start...a way for many people to enrich themselves with the odd good deed thrown in to mask the scale of it's corruption. She, Bill and Chelsea received far to much money through the foundation and associated speaking appearances from far to many bad people to not owe extremely large favours. That is being compromised. In addition, setting up a private server to conduct government business demonstrates both corruption and incompetence. We can not prove she was hacked but with Sidney Blumenthal, Powell and the DNC being hacked we have to assume that she was as well. Even if that can't be proved however setting up that server with minimal to no security features and allowing unauthorized IT people to run said server exposed the countries secrets to nefarious actors. These things again leads to her being compromised and prone to blackmail. Additional incompetence would include the Russian re-set, post-war libya etc...her's was a state department that continued to get played by America's enemies. Lastly people should recognize that I am not trolling on this subject. I have been an unashamed Neo-Con since the term even came into being and if anything Hillary probably lines up closer to me then where Trump does on foreign policy. What I can't forgive about her though is how she voted for the Iraq war and then turned on W when the going got tough in the early days of the war. Obama was at least against from the start and that I can respect. Hillary however did not get "lied" to. Bush used the same intelligence that her husband had and she and Bill backed him whole heartedly just like Senator Lieberman and others did. When the going got tough politically though she bailed which demonstrated to me a total lack of character. She needed to own that vote but instead she ran and it wasn't because she all of the sudden "came to her senses". She played politics with national security and did it again with the "General Betrayus" nonsense during the surge. I might not like Trump but I believe he has the steel in the spine that she lacks. During a storm that steel is necessary.
"I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are," Trump said. “But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
/sure sounds like he has everything under control
Yet people on this board were flipping out when HC didn't release all the details of her conversations with her (named) running mate.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-les-miserables-deplorables-miami-2016-9
Have you ever seen the movie, "The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming"?
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