Discussion: The Lottery has turned Tickets Into "Trade Bait"

MayDay10

I think a vast majority here in this thread are "pro-lottery". I was highly successful with F5, but have had mixed results with lottery, but I understand why it is chosen and here to stay...

With that said, there are good ideas out there, ways to improve, and (now my words) some exploits that can be limited.

DPrival78

with a weighted lottery for GA, you'd have somewhat of a happy medium. new members could still get them, but their chances of getting them wouldn't be the same as folks who have been paying their dues for a long time. i don't see anything wrong giving a little bit of an advantage back to those with a lot of time served.

again, full disclosure, i'm biased since i've been around since '96.

subpoprockcity

dimitrispearljam said:

lottery or not,,,f5 or not,,public sale or not....
the same faces are at rail all the shows im going...everywhere i wernt..to usa..to europe to sa..are the same..
same as trade bait the lottery was before,,2 friend went to online sale here at the store..1 went for philly other for msg..they exchange their spare...

So if the same faces are showing up regardless of f5 or lottery, that sort of debunks the new faces argument.

MayDay10

to me, I think "tucking" GA into the full show as an 'after-the-fact" draw benefits members with seniority enough.

That way, longer-standing members dont have to risk their 100xxx numbers for a GA draw and "New" members with 500xxx arent spiking the GA pot with much less to lose.

As it is now too, mid-seniority members have it the worst (like me) as you have all the 0-250XXX going for the safe bet for reserved, while every high number goes directly for GA. This pushes mid-seniority fan's reserved selection towards the back of the line.

Vedd Hedd

MayDay10 said:

to me, I think "tucking" GA into the full show as an 'after-the-fact" draw benefits members with seniority enough.

That way, longer-standing members dont have to risk their 100xxx numbers for a GA draw and "New" members with 500xxx arent spiking the GA pot with much less to lose.

As it is now too, mid-seniority members have it the worst (like me) as you have all the 0-250XXX going for the safe bet for reserved, while every high number goes directly for GA. This pushes mid-seniority fan's reserved selection towards the back of the line.

This is probably the best written example of what could be fixed. I never quite thought of it this way.

dimitrispearljam

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

lottery or not,,,f5 or not,,public sale or not....
the same faces are at rail all the shows im going...everywhere i wernt..to usa..to europe to sa..are the same..
same as trade bait the lottery was before,,2 friend went to online sale here at the store..1 went for philly other for msg..they exchange their spare...

So if the same faces are showing up regardless of f5 or lottery, that sort of debunks the new faces argument.

the same faces do it,,cos they go to the rail cos there are 10c ga tix now to ALL the countries
people want to be in the show..lottery or not
i won 1 florida and im going to all..nothing stop me,,lottery,onlne,ticketmaster..
the thing is the system they sell tickets to secure all to be fair and same chances for all..
and noone put his finger in the system.and wins all the time..now he cant,,its a draw...
he just can make better odds with his pick up..but the draw??
is secure he cant cheat

dimitrispearljam

MayDay10 said:

I think a vast majority here in this thread are "pro-lottery". I was highly successful with F5, but have had mixed results with lottery, but I understand why it is chosen and here to stay...

With that said, there are good ideas out there, ways to improve, and (now my words) some exploits that can be limited.

me and u are here alot of years and we know eachother..we talked about it in the past
actually u have great proposal and ideas how priority should work and be even better the system

subpoprockcity

dimitrispearljam said:

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

lottery or not,,,f5 or not,,public sale or not....
the same faces are at rail all the shows im going...everywhere i wernt..to usa..to europe to sa..are the same..
same as trade bait the lottery was before,,2 friend went to online sale here at the store..1 went for philly other for msg..they exchange their spare...

So if the same faces are showing up regardless of f5 or lottery, that sort of debunks the new faces argument.

the same faces do it,,cos they go to the rail cos there are 10c ga tix now to ALL the countries
people want to be in the show..lottery or not
i won 1 florida and im going to all..nothing stop me,,lottery,onlne,ticketmaster..
the thing is the system they sell tickets to secure all to be fair and same chances for all..
and noone put his finger in the system.and wins all the time..now he cant,,its a draw...
he just can make better odds with his pick up..but the draw??
is secure he cant cheat

except with multiple accounts, which is one of the issues raised here.

dimitrispearljam

Vedd Hedd said:

MayDay10 said:

to me, I think "tucking" GA into the full show as an 'after-the-fact" draw benefits members with seniority enough.

That way, longer-standing members dont have to risk their 100xxx numbers for a GA draw and "New" members with 500xxx arent spiking the GA pot with much less to lose.

As it is now too, mid-seniority members have it the worst (like me) as you have all the 0-250XXX going for the safe bet for reserved, while every high number goes directly for GA. This pushes mid-seniority fan's reserved selection towards the back of the line.

This is probably the best written example of what could be fixed. I never quite thought of it this way.

i agree MayDay10 is right

Zod

MayDay10 said:

to me, I think "tucking" GA into the full show as an 'after-the-fact" draw benefits members with seniority enough.

That way, longer-standing members dont have to risk their 100xxx numbers for a GA draw and "New" members with 500xxx arent spiking the GA pot with much less to lose.

As it is now too, mid-seniority members have it the worst (like me) as you have all the 0-250XXX going for the safe bet for reserved, while every high number goes directly for GA. This pushes mid-seniority fan's reserved selection towards the back of the line.

I think it would still solve a number of issues. Mainly people who sign up a bunch of friends/family/spouse in order to have multiple shots at tickets (since everyone can try for GA). It would also make it harder for scalpers to get those tickets. It also solves the issue of people who choose GA/Reserved as #1/#2 for the same show. Where someone else split's it up and gets a 2nd pair of tickets and person #1 got squat (because they still had an equal chance for the #2 picks).

I really dislike the seniority idea, but maybe restricting GA to a little bit, like you have to have been a member since the last album/tour kind of thing. That way you cross that hurdle rather quickly, but it prevents scalpers and what not from coming into to grab them. U2 does it, and it seems to somewhat fair. If you were a member before the last tour you first dibs, since that 2nd, and since the announcement last. You don't end up with 20yr veterans getting all the tickets, but they get a little shot over the people who recently signed up for tickets. All you have to do is renew a few times and you get lumped in with everyone else. You'll gain that kind of seniority (unlike ever gaining the kind you would need to get front row in the old PJ system). The same people up front all the time came because there was no attrition. People who signed up in the first few years always got 'em. Who wouldn't keep renewing every year if they kept getting 1st few rows? Someone from '98 was always 10 to 20 rows back. At least if GA pull is from 1991 to 2013 members, that's not t0o bad. Then the next time a new album/tour comes out that date gets reset to include the next batch of newbies, so they aren't skunked on tickets for life. You never want to sunk new members, but you do want to keep the system as shielded from abuse as you can.

dimitrispearljam

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

lottery or not,,,f5 or not,,public sale or not....
the same faces are at rail all the shows im going...everywhere i wernt..to usa..to europe to sa..are the same..
same as trade bait the lottery was before,,2 friend went to online sale here at the store..1 went for philly other for msg..they exchange their spare...

So if the same faces are showing up regardless of f5 or lottery, that sort of debunks the new faces argument.

the same faces do it,,cos they go to the rail cos there are 10c ga tix now to ALL the countries
people want to be in the show..lottery or not
i won 1 florida and im going to all..nothing stop me,,lottery,onlne,ticketmaster..
the thing is the system they sell tickets to secure all to be fair and same chances for all..
and noone put his finger in the system.and wins all the time..now he cant,,its a draw...
he just can make better odds with his pick up..but the draw??
is secure he cant cheat

except with multiple accounts, which is one of the issues raised here.

so,,someone from italy and mexico how many multiple acounts have to win msg?
someone from seattle?
from miami?
and how many id or passports u have?i have only one..atleast in my country peoople has one..
and who said will win?and if u have 7 acounts and win one u paid 140 extra for 1 paior...isnt worth
and they dont tour every year at the states?so u will pay multiple acounts at years which u dont know if they gonna tour?
and why the previous system didt allow to have multiple aclounts?
even better u cant cheat the lottey and win all.,.but with f-5 and multiples u could cheat and win all

pledgeagrievance

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

No. You're not allowed to do that here.

subpoprockcity

pledgeagrievance said:

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

No. You're not allowed to do that here.

I'll be honest, the fan base gets a bad reputation, and I'm starting to see why.

subpoprockcity

dimitrispearljam said:

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

lottery or not,,,f5 or not,,public sale or not....
the same faces are at rail all the shows im going...everywhere i wernt..to usa..to europe to sa..are the same..
same as trade bait the lottery was before,,2 friend went to online sale here at the store..1 went for philly other for msg..they exchange their spare...

So if the same faces are showing up regardless of f5 or lottery, that sort of debunks the new faces argument.

the same faces do it,,cos they go to the rail cos there are 10c ga tix now to ALL the countries
people want to be in the show..lottery or not
i won 1 florida and im going to all..nothing stop me,,lottery,onlne,ticketmaster..
the thing is the system they sell tickets to secure all to be fair and same chances for all..
and noone put his finger in the system.and wins all the time..now he cant,,its a draw...
he just can make better odds with his pick up..but the draw??
is secure he cant cheat

except with multiple accounts, which is one of the issues raised here.

so,,someone from italy and mexico how many multiple acounts have to win msg?
someone from seattle?
from miami?
and how many id or passports u have?i have only one..atleast in my country peoople has one..
and who said will win?and if u have 7 acounts and win one u paid 140 extra for 1 paior...isnt worth
and they dont tour every year at the states?so u will pay multiple acounts at years which u dont know if they gonna tour?
and why the previous system didt allow to have multiple aclounts?
even better u cant cheat the lottey and win all.,.but with f-5 and multiples u could cheat and win all

right, you don't need a passport to pick up tickets. This is simple, and explained elsewhere in the thread. The person who bought the tickets, with a separate account created just to up their odds, picks up the tickets at will call. They give them to others, for cash, trade, whatever.

Also, you can just cancel your account if it's a non-touring year. Also brought up elsewhere and not a motivator to keep a constant membership active.

FoxyRedLa

MayDay10 said:

I think we can safely say:
1. GA is not going away
2. Seniority will never determine who can buy tickets
3. F5 for 10c tickets is gone for good (barring a special-one-time event type of deal through a 3rd party.

I think it is very likely that
1. Seniority will never decide who is in GA
2. We will never see any sort of region-restriction on purchasing tickets

dimitrispearljam

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

subpoprockcity said:

dimitrispearljam said:

lottery or not,,,f5 or not,,public sale or not....
the same faces are at rail all the shows im going...everywhere i wernt..to usa..to europe to sa..are the same..
same as trade bait the lottery was before,,2 friend went to online sale here at the store..1 went for philly other for msg..they exchange their spare...

So if the same faces are showing up regardless of f5 or lottery, that sort of debunks the new faces argument.

the same faces do it,,cos they go to the rail cos there are 10c ga tix now to ALL the countries
people want to be in the show..lottery or not
i won 1 florida and im going to all..nothing stop me,,lottery,onlne,ticketmaster..
the thing is the system they sell tickets to secure all to be fair and same chances for all..
and noone put his finger in the system.and wins all the time..now he cant,,its a draw...
he just can make better odds with his pick up..but the draw??
is secure he cant cheat

except with multiple accounts, which is one of the issues raised here.

so,,someone from italy and mexico how many multiple acounts have to win msg?
someone from seattle?
from miami?
and how many id or passports u have?i have only one..atleast in my country peoople has one..
and who said will win?and if u have 7 acounts and win one u paid 140 extra for 1 paior...isnt worth
and they dont tour every year at the states?so u will pay multiple acounts at years which u dont know if they gonna tour?
and why the previous system didt allow to have multiple aclounts?
even better u cant cheat the lottey and win all.,.but with f-5 and multiples u could cheat and win all

right, you don't need a passport to pick up tickets. This is simple, and explained elsewhere in the thread. The person who bought the tickets, with a separate account created just to up their odds, picks up the tickets at will call. They give them to others, for cash, trade, whatever.

Also, you can just cancel your account if it's a non-touring year. Also brought up elsewhere and not a motivator to keep a constant membership active.

so u can go to the same box office 7 times with 7 different ids or passports?
who are u ?cia?
cancel your acount?1st time ever someone said that...
and u can do this before lottery!!!!and no need luck!!!!u could cheat systemand won always..
lottery u cant win,,isnt in your hands

ComeToTX

subpoprockcity said:

pledgeagrievance said:

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

No. You're not allowed to do that here.

I'll be honest, the fan base gets a bad reputation, and I'm starting to see why.

What took you so long?

Leezestarr313

No, Dimi, he is talking about people who sign up their kids, dogs, or spouses who are no fans. You could say that these are people with multiple accounts because several members of a household have a membership.

dimitrispearljam

Leezestarr313 said:

No, Dimi, he is talking about people who sign up their kids, dogs, or spouses who are no fans. You could say that these are people with multiple accounts because several members of a household have a membership.

what stops that action in the previous system??
the one can be cheated and this one not?
its the same now as was before with people have several acounts

Leezestarr313

With the F5 system I would say it was probably harder to get tickets for multiple accounts if one person is taking care of them. The lottery does not involve as much "work time", so to speak. You just log in, enter your picks and wait. I guess this makes multiple memberships more attractive. As well as the possibility of entering for GA with the new memberships and for Reserved with the "better number". This is part of what pisses so many people off.