Discussion: The Lottery has turned Tickets Into "Trade Bait"

jdopj

MayDay10 said:

I have been yelling about this "loophole" since this system began. More people seem to be exploiting it and also noticing it.

Everywhere you look now, you see: "I got XXXX, my wife/brother/buddy/dog/parakeet got XXXX!" And/Or "Got extra pair for XXXX, looking for XXXX"

It is a pretty large hole in the system and I think it would be mended a great deal by A: one pool for each show and GA is drawn after the fact and we find out when we pick up tickets. and B: Ticketless entry. You put in for tickets, you better intend on using them. Spouses, etc with numbers in the 6xxxxx range will have a good chance to use those tickets and cant just jump straight to going for GA tickets, while the longstanding member goes for all the Reserved.
The 6XXXXX member still has as good of a chance for GA as anybody.

Me and mayday have hammered this loophole before. Not many people supported us.

jdopj

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

subpoprockcity

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

Leezestarr313

People also use merch or vinyl as trade bait. It is the same discussion over and over again. There is too little there and too many people who want it. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But there is also a nice sense of community in here, and I have seen people behaving very generously numerous times. And even if it sucks when one loses out (I have so myself more than enough), this is a wonderful thing to behold. I hope people realise soon enough that all is not lost, and the angry waves will smoothen out. I always find it funny how suddenly people emerge who never take part in anything on here once they get shut out of the lottery. Maybe things would not look so bad if you were actually participating a bit more. Or not, to each their own. It is what it is. If you wanna be in, find your way through it.

subpoprockcity

jdopj said:

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

jdopj said:

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

right, so it's even easier to game the system. Gaming the system implies a lot less fairness than what is being touted here

PJ_Soul

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

DPrival78

jdopj said:

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

so set it so members with a 10c number of, say, 350xxx and lower get first crack at GA. if there are GA tix available after all the members below that threshold are chosen, then open up those remaining tix to everyone.

subpoprockcity

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

PJ_Soul

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

rgambs

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

Fair is where you go to get cotton candy.

subpoprockcity

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

Black73

Weston1283 said:

the_don said:

It's actually pretty easy to limit to one membership per household. Tons of sites and other bands do this and solve the problem.

That sucks for households who actually have multiple, good fans

Right...my 15 year old is a huge fan, and would really be hurt by this. With his membership and mine, we were able to bring my wife and my younger son to both nights of PJ20. He won the lottery for the Cincinnati show last year and I did not...so we bought two additional tickets and brought my younger son and a friend. He unfortunately cannot attend any shows for the upcoming tour, so he did not enter the lottery. I get OP's point, and that's why our household are not @$$holes about how we enter for tickets...we enter for what we can/will use, and not more.

I hope the "one membership per household" idea is carefully considered before jumping to it as a solution.

PJ_Soul

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

There is a way to cheat ALL systems. Seriously, show me a system that is completely fool proof. Not just with concert tickets. Any system in the world. Fair always means as fair as reasonably possible. Come on, you are a grown up, you know that.

nicknyr15

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

There is a way to cheat ALL systems. Seriously, show me a system that is completely fool proof. Not just with concert tickets. Any system in the world. Fair always means as fair as reasonably possible. Come on, you are a grown up, you know that.

Completely agree.

MayDay10

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

PJ_Soul

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

Not at all. I have already talked about the main issue with the system, which is the 2 choices per show thing. They need a secondary GA lottery. I was responding to a specific comment.

gatorjam

My son is two and has a passport ID, can I use that to pick up his tickets?

DPrival78

weight the lottery somehow based on seniority. ranges of numbers get a certain number of "balls" per entry. for example: 0-200xxx get 5, 201xxx-400xxx get 3, 400xxx+ get 1

subpoprockcity

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

There is a way to cheat ALL systems. Seriously, show me a system that is completely fool proof. Not just with concert tickets. Any system in the world. Fair always means as fair as reasonably possible. Come on, you are a grown up, you know that.

And I'm also arguing that what constitutes fair is subjective, and we disagree.

subpoprockcity

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

indeed, "please don't say a word, anyone who disagrees with me and my unyielding defense of the fan club policy".