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Lost in the Lottery - I AM PISSED!!!!!!

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    PP193448PP193448 Here Posts: 4,281
    edited January 2016
    The only thing that can be done with the lottery to make it more "fair" is to limit the number of shows you can win to like 2-3. That way more people have opportunities to go to shows instead of getting shut out, especially considering that the band continues to limit the number of venues they play. I would agree that it sucks that there are some people that score tics to 4-5 shows while others get completely shut out. That's the lottery, with random drawing... There is room for improvement. Just try to score tickets from TM or from another fan club member. Still good possibilities for tickets.
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    gmonetgmonet Posts: 37

    gmonet said:

    cutz said:

    gmonet said:

    Priority matters but seniority doesn't. Makes sense.

    It does make sense when trying for tickets, because seniority doesn't matter.

    You do know that seniority doesn't matter when it come to who gets, or doesn't get tickets?

    What shows did you choose and what order to you make your choices?

    I'm not trying to be a jerk here. Just trying to help out a little of what i've experienced with the Lottery.
    I just wish PJ could say, "we'll take the MSG for 2 nights and sell all of the tix to our fans. Why doesn't that happen...ever? All grown up I guess. PJ, Inc.
    You don't understand the business side of the concert industry. You are living in a fantasy land if you somehow think the band has the option to take all the tickets and sell them directly, and they don't because they are "all grown up".
    I know they choose to play Ticketmaster venues. They could play other places to ensure more fan club tix, they choose to not do that. What's fantasyland is thinking the fan club is going this for fairness. It's for more, more, more. It's just sad that they are like all the rest.
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886
    Don't know why there's so much stress about having "good" seats. In my experience, their shows don't sound noticeably worse from the dead back of the arena and the fans are generally great no matter where I've sat. It's about the music and sharing the experience with others, not being close enough to Ed to feel his spit hit your face. As long as I've not been picky, I've always been able to get decent seats through Ticketmaster.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209

    MedozK said:

    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    With the lottery it all came down to which cities you wanted and the priority. If your 1,2, and 3 were NY, Philly and Toronto. Your 4th better be a small market reserved seating choice.

    And in that scenario, you might get lucky and hit 1 or 2 of those first picks, and prolly get your 4th. But odds are with you to get that 4th pick even if you lose the first 3.
    right, and yet there are still people in here that did just that, and got nothing.
    Guess it depends on that 4th pick, saw a few Florida show reserved seats go as low to some 7th picks... So seats were definitely available late in the lottery.
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    MedozK said:

    MedozK said:

    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    With the lottery it all came down to which cities you wanted and the priority. If your 1,2, and 3 were NY, Philly and Toronto. Your 4th better be a small market reserved seating choice.

    And in that scenario, you might get lucky and hit 1 or 2 of those first picks, and prolly get your 4th. But odds are with you to get that 4th pick even if you lose the first 3.
    right, and yet there are still people in here that did just that, and got nothing.
    Guess it depends on that 4th pick, saw a few Florida show reserved seats go as low to some 7th picks... So seats were definitely available late in the lottery.
    again, I go back to the earlier post in which I pointed out that there are a lot of fans that have neither the money, nor the time or the resources to travel to a show 10 hours away. I can't get to Florida. If I can't go, why would I select it?
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,516

    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    Has there been any confirmation of this happening?

    Do we know for a fact that members who made multiple picks got completely shut out while other members who made the exact same picks got multiple shows?

    I'm just trying to see if all this outrage is over something legitimate or if people are just crying because they didn't get what they want.

    I'll be honest, it seems like the latter.

    As far as the whole 'no members should have been shut out' theory, you clearly don't understand supply & demand.

    When I looked a couple of days ago, Tampa had a 99% chance of you scoring reserved seats. Play the odds if you don't want to get shut out and go to Florida. If you can't travel to Tampa, and can only go to MSG? Then what the f do you expect? You live in the biggest city in the world.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    gmonet said:

    gmonet said:

    cutz said:

    gmonet said:

    Priority matters but seniority doesn't. Makes sense.

    It does make sense when trying for tickets, because seniority doesn't matter.

    You do know that seniority doesn't matter when it come to who gets, or doesn't get tickets?

    What shows did you choose and what order to you make your choices?

    I'm not trying to be a jerk here. Just trying to help out a little of what i've experienced with the Lottery.
    I just wish PJ could say, "we'll take the MSG for 2 nights and sell all of the tix to our fans. Why doesn't that happen...ever? All grown up I guess. PJ, Inc.
    You don't understand the business side of the concert industry. You are living in a fantasy land if you somehow think the band has the option to take all the tickets and sell them directly, and they don't because they are "all grown up".
    I know they choose to play Ticketmaster venues. They could play other places to ensure more fan club tix, they choose to not do that. What's fantasyland is thinking the fan club is going this for fairness. It's for more, more, more. It's just sad that they are like all the rest.
    This is bonkers. Why would they put themselves through so much pain in the ass? They have nothing to prove, they have little to gain, they can do whatever they want and they can make music for fans in side projects without the hassle.
    They play together and your as Pearl Jam for us, and probably because it is fun as shit at times.
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    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    Has there been any confirmation of this happening?

    Do we know for a fact that members who made multiple picks got completely shut out while other members who made the exact same picks got multiple shows?

    I'm just trying to see if all this outrage is over something legitimate or if people are just crying because they didn't get what they want.

    I'll be honest, it seems like the latter.

    As far as the whole 'no members should have been shut out' theory, you clearly don't understand supply & demand.

    When I looked a couple of days ago, Tampa had a 99% chance of you scoring reserved seats. Play the odds if you don't want to get shut out and go to Florida. If you can't travel to Tampa, and can only go to MSG? Then what the f do you expect? You live in the biggest city in the world.
    I find it really troubling that so many in here believe that there are unlimited resources for fans to travel, take work off, on top of paying for tickets. I sure as hell don't.
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    gmonetgmonet Posts: 37
    rgambs said:

    gmonet said:

    gmonet said:

    cutz said:

    gmonet said:

    Priority matters but seniority doesn't. Makes sense.

    It does make sense when trying for tickets, because seniority doesn't matter.

    You do know that seniority doesn't matter when it come to who gets, or doesn't get tickets?

    What shows did you choose and what order to you make your choices?

    I'm not trying to be a jerk here. Just trying to help out a little of what i've experienced with the Lottery.
    I just wish PJ could say, "we'll take the MSG for 2 nights and sell all of the tix to our fans. Why doesn't that happen...ever? All grown up I guess. PJ, Inc.
    You don't understand the business side of the concert industry. You are living in a fantasy land if you somehow think the band has the option to take all the tickets and sell them directly, and they don't because they are "all grown up".
    I know they choose to play Ticketmaster venues. They could play other places to ensure more fan club tix, they choose to not do that. What's fantasyland is thinking the fan club is going this for fairness. It's for more, more, more. It's just sad that they are like all the rest.
    This is bonkers. Why would they put themselves through so much pain in the ass? They have nothing to prove, they have little to gain, they can do whatever they want and they can make music for fans in side projects without the hassle.
    They play together and your as Pearl Jam for us, and probably because it is fun as shit at times.
    This is the exact definition of selling out ... and I think that's sad. Still love them but hate myself for enabling them.
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    gmonet said:

    gmonet said:

    cutz said:

    gmonet said:

    Priority matters but seniority doesn't. Makes sense.

    It does make sense when trying for tickets, because seniority doesn't matter.

    You do know that seniority doesn't matter when it come to who gets, or doesn't get tickets?

    What shows did you choose and what order to you make your choices?

    I'm not trying to be a jerk here. Just trying to help out a little of what i've experienced with the Lottery.
    I just wish PJ could say, "we'll take the MSG for 2 nights and sell all of the tix to our fans. Why doesn't that happen...ever? All grown up I guess. PJ, Inc.
    You don't understand the business side of the concert industry. You are living in a fantasy land if you somehow think the band has the option to take all the tickets and sell them directly, and they don't because they are "all grown up".
    I know they choose to play Ticketmaster venues. They could play other places to ensure more fan club tix, they choose to not do that. What's fantasyland is thinking the fan club is going this for fairness. It's for more, more, more. It's just sad that they are like all the rest.
    No one gives them credit for offering up a cheaper membership option a few years back. You can be a member of your favorite band fan club for $20.00 a year. Go check out the U2 fan club memberships price. You waste $20.00 every month on something more worthless than a year in the fan club, we all do. All this venom over a $20 spot.
    Gorge
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886
    edited January 2016
    Seems simple enough to me. Want to go to the show for sure? Select Reserved as your first option. Almost nobody got shut out of either Philly or MSG if they selected Reserved as their first choice. Sorry Toronto peeps, you really do deserve a second show. Anyways, most people gamble and select GA for every show. That's what everybody wants. No fucking shit you're going to lose time and time again. Get smart or don't complain.
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    gmonetgmonet Posts: 37

    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    Has there been any confirmation of this happening?

    Do we know for a fact that members who made multiple picks got completely shut out while other members who made the exact same picks got multiple shows?

    I'm just trying to see if all this outrage is over something legitimate or if people are just crying because they didn't get what they want.

    I'll be honest, it seems like the latter.

    As far as the whole 'no members should have been shut out' theory, you clearly don't understand supply & demand.

    When I looked a couple of days ago, Tampa had a 99% chance of you scoring reserved seats. Play the odds if you don't want to get shut out and go to Florida. If you can't travel to Tampa, and can only go to MSG? Then what the f do you expect? You live in the biggest city in the world.
    I understand it perfectly. Supply is lower because they are in Ticketmaster venues. Sell out
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    AlaG said:

    Seems simple enough to me. Want to go to the show for sure? Select Reserved as your first option. Almost nobody got shut out of even either the Philly or the MSG show if they selected Reserved as their first choice. Sorry Toronto peeps, you really do deserve a second show. People gamble and select GA for every show. No fucking shit they're going to lose time and time again. Get smart.

    So the Toronto folks that picked reserved as their first choice are just not "getting smart"?
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    gmonet said:

    gmonet said:

    cutz said:

    gmonet said:

    Priority matters but seniority doesn't. Makes sense.

    It does make sense when trying for tickets, because seniority doesn't matter.

    You do know that seniority doesn't matter when it come to who gets, or doesn't get tickets?

    What shows did you choose and what order to you make your choices?

    I'm not trying to be a jerk here. Just trying to help out a little of what i've experienced with the Lottery.
    I just wish PJ could say, "we'll take the MSG for 2 nights and sell all of the tix to our fans. Why doesn't that happen...ever? All grown up I guess. PJ, Inc.
    You don't understand the business side of the concert industry. You are living in a fantasy land if you somehow think the band has the option to take all the tickets and sell them directly, and they don't because they are "all grown up".
    I know they choose to play Ticketmaster venues. They could play other places to ensure more fan club tix, they choose to not do that. What's fantasyland is thinking the fan club is going this for fairness. It's for more, more, more. It's just sad that they are like all the rest.
    No one gives them credit for offering up a cheaper membership option a few years back. You can be a member of your favorite band fan club for $20.00 a year. Go check out the U2 fan club memberships price. You waste $20.00 every month on something more worthless than a year in the fan club, we all do. All this venom over a $20 spot.

    The cheaper option now got you what the more expensive option got you before this. It's not really about the money spent, though it does seem like a waste.
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886
    edited January 2016

    AlaG said:

    Seems simple enough to me. Want to go to the show for sure? Select Reserved as your first option. Almost nobody got shut out of even either the Philly or the MSG show if they selected Reserved as their first choice. Sorry Toronto peeps, you really do deserve a second show. People gamble and select GA for every show. No fucking shit they're going to lose time and time again. Get smart.

    So the Toronto folks that picked reserved as their first choice are just not "getting smart"?
    Smarter than the people who selected GA, absolutely. And it really does suck that so many people got shut out of that one regardless of their 1st pick. If demand is that huge though, there will be a second show. Mark my words.

    I have absolutely no sympathy for anybody complaining about getting shut out of the other shows by prioritizing GA. It's because of those people I 100% knew I won my Philly Reserved tix days in advance.
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    jmug23jmug23 Posts: 778
    PP193448 said:

    The only thing that can be done with the lottery to make it more "fair" is to limit the number of shows you can win to like 2-3. That way more people have opportunities to go to shows instead of getting shut out, especially considering that the band continues to limit the number of venues they play. I would agree that it sucks that there are some people that score tics to 4-5 shows while others get completely shut out. That's the lottery, with random drawing... There is room for improvement. Just try to score tickets from TM or from another fan club member. Still good possibilities for tickets.

    But the reason people are getting 4 or 5 shows is because they are choosing wisely and no one else wanted shows 2-5 as a priority. It's pretty simple. If you absolutely have to have 10 club tickets or GA, go for the low priority shows. People who gambled on NY, Pa and whatever other shows that had a 10% chance took a huge risk. It's easy to get "shut out" when your picking 4 shows that all have 10% odds. Conversely, it's easy to win 4-5 shows when you choose wisely for the shows that are in lesser demand. I would have loved to have seen them in NY. However I wasn't willing to gamble on those odds, so I chose a show with much better odds and won.
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    It shouldn't matter if you selected GA or reserve for first pick of MSG and Philly shows. I picked one show of each and got shut out of both. It's bullshit is what it is
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    jmug23 said:

    PP193448 said:

    The only thing that can be done with the lottery to make it more "fair" is to limit the number of shows you can win to like 2-3. That way more people have opportunities to go to shows instead of getting shut out, especially considering that the band continues to limit the number of venues they play. I would agree that it sucks that there are some people that score tics to 4-5 shows while others get completely shut out. That's the lottery, with random drawing... There is room for improvement. Just try to score tickets from TM or from another fan club member. Still good possibilities for tickets.

    But the reason people are getting 4 or 5 shows is because they are choosing wisely and no one else wanted shows 2-5 as a priority. It's pretty simple. If you absolutely have to have 10 club tickets or GA, go for the low priority shows. People who gambled on NY, Pa and whatever other shows that had a 10% chance took a huge risk. It's easy to get "shut out" when your picking 4 shows that all have 10% odds. Conversely, it's easy to win 4-5 shows when you choose wisely for the shows that are in lesser demand. I would have loved to have seen them in NY. However I wasn't willing to gamble on those odds, so I chose a show with much better odds and won.
    again, "choosing wisely" assumes a certain level of disposable cash and the ability to travel. This isn't possible for a lot of people. It doesn't make them choosing poorly. It means they can't travel 5-10 hours away for a show.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209

    jmug23 said:

    PP193448 said:

    The only thing that can be done with the lottery to make it more "fair" is to limit the number of shows you can win to like 2-3. That way more people have opportunities to go to shows instead of getting shut out, especially considering that the band continues to limit the number of venues they play. I would agree that it sucks that there are some people that score tics to 4-5 shows while others get completely shut out. That's the lottery, with random drawing... There is room for improvement. Just try to score tickets from TM or from another fan club member. Still good possibilities for tickets.

    But the reason people are getting 4 or 5 shows is because they are choosing wisely and no one else wanted shows 2-5 as a priority. It's pretty simple. If you absolutely have to have 10 club tickets or GA, go for the low priority shows. People who gambled on NY, Pa and whatever other shows that had a 10% chance took a huge risk. It's easy to get "shut out" when your picking 4 shows that all have 10% odds. Conversely, it's easy to win 4-5 shows when you choose wisely for the shows that are in lesser demand. I would have loved to have seen them in NY. However I wasn't willing to gamble on those odds, so I chose a show with much better odds and won.
    again, "choosing wisely" assumes a certain level of disposable cash and the ability to travel. This isn't possible for a lot of people. It doesn't make them choosing poorly. It means they can't travel 5-10 hours away for a show.
    I see your point, it's just to bad you area is the most popular, making your odds worse. It is what it is I guess.
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    There's no choosing wisely when you can pick both, shouldn't matter if you have a preference. You just want to argue because you obviously got what you wanted.
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886
    edited January 2016
    jmug23 said:

    PP193448 said:

    The only thing that can be done with the lottery to make it more "fair" is to limit the number of shows you can win to like 2-3. That way more people have opportunities to go to shows instead of getting shut out, especially considering that the band continues to limit the number of venues they play. I would agree that it sucks that there are some people that score tics to 4-5 shows while others get completely shut out. That's the lottery, with random drawing... There is room for improvement. Just try to score tickets from TM or from another fan club member. Still good possibilities for tickets.

    But the reason people are getting 4 or 5 shows is because they are choosing wisely and no one else wanted shows 2-5 as a priority. It's pretty simple. If you absolutely have to have 10 club tickets or GA, go for the low priority shows. People who gambled on NY, Pa and whatever other shows that had a 10% chance took a huge risk. It's easy to get "shut out" when your picking 4 shows that all have 10% odds. Conversely, it's easy to win 4-5 shows when you choose wisely for the shows that are in lesser demand. I would have loved to have seen them in NY. However I wasn't willing to gamble on those odds, so I chose a show with much better odds and won.
    Odds are calculated based on total tix available/number of entries, regardless of priority. Drawing happens in order of priority. So say I wanted to go to MSG Night 1 - Reserved Seating. It lists my odds at 20% or whatever. At least double those odds for all the peeps who prioritized Night 2 - Reserved. Now we're around 40%. At least double them again for all the people who prioritized GA for either night. Now we're around 80% of being drawn if Reserved Seating is your 1st choice. Add 10 - 15% or so for the people who listed it as their 7th or 8th pick for shits and giggles. Reserved Seating isn't that much of a gamble at all actually. GA on the other hand, using that same algorithm, would still give the entrant greater odds of losing than winning.
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    wres96wres96 Posts: 9
    All this crying is crazy!! Everyone can still get tickets to the greatest band in the public sale. No matter what everyone isn't going to be happy!!! I didn't win the lottery, but I will be at both shows at msg, to see the greatest band in the world... No matter what!!
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    wres96 said:

    All this crying is crazy!! Everyone can still get tickets to the greatest band in the public sale. No matter what everyone isn't going to be happy!!! I didn't win the lottery, but I will be at both shows at msg, to see the greatest band in the world... No matter what!!

    I'm sure a few folks on here will remember that when they lose out on TM tickets too.
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    derbydavederbydave Columbus, OH Posts: 11,254

    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    Has there been any confirmation of this happening?

    Do we know for a fact that members who made multiple picks got completely shut out while other members who made the exact same picks got multiple shows?

    I'm just trying to see if all this outrage is over something legitimate or if people are just crying because they didn't get what they want.

    I'll be honest, it seems like the latter.

    As far as the whole 'no members should have been shut out' theory, you clearly don't understand supply & demand.

    When I looked a couple of days ago, Tampa had a 99% chance of you scoring reserved seats. Play the odds if you don't want to get shut out and go to Florida. If you can't travel to Tampa, and can only go to MSG? Then what the f do you expect? You live in the biggest city in the world.
    Totally agree with you buddy...
    I'm still surprised more people didn't jump on the chance to do the SE US or Florida shows!!
    In both of these cases you had the opportunity to see 4 shows in 6 days, and 3 of these were practically a SURE THING with odds at the cut-off time still sitting at 99%.
    Between me & my ticket buddy,
    we scored reserved tickets to all 4 or the SE US shows PLUS I got Toronto, Lexington & Ottawa.
    The odds tool is there to tell you which shows are going to be a tough one to score...
    you had to know that you were throwing away your picks if you chose the High Demand shows as anything other than a #1 or #2 pick.
    Throw in the fact that you could ONLY win 1 pair of tickets to the MSG & Philly shows made it even more of a risk to load up your selections with these shows!!
    And now you want to penalize people, and limit the # of shows we can do because they are willing to travel and do these lower demand shows, just because you struck out on what EVERYONE knows will be a really tough ticket to score??
    I'd love to see a show at MSG...but to me, it's just not worth the hassle you have to go thru to see Pearl Jam there!!
    I'll be fine seeing My Morning Jacket or one of my other favorite bands play MSG,
    and traveling to these lesser known places to see PJ perform 7 times on this tour!!
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    AlaGAlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 886

    wres96 said:

    All this crying is crazy!! Everyone can still get tickets to the greatest band in the public sale. No matter what everyone isn't going to be happy!!! I didn't win the lottery, but I will be at both shows at msg, to see the greatest band in the world... No matter what!!

    I'm sure a few folks on here will remember that when they lose out on TM tickets too.
    Hate to agree, but unless you have a few ticket buddies, pulling tickets to both nights is going to be hard. One is doable but the other show will be sold out by the time you check out.
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    I'm sure you would be whining as well if you didn't win.
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    kid canadakid canada Toronto Posts: 443

    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    Has there been any confirmation of this happening?

    Do we know for a fact that members who made multiple picks got completely shut out while other members who made the exact same picks got multiple shows?

    I'm just trying to see if all this outrage is over something legitimate or if people are just crying because they didn't get what they want.
    Yup! Happened to me!
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    AlaG said:

    wres96 said:

    All this crying is crazy!! Everyone can still get tickets to the greatest band in the public sale. No matter what everyone isn't going to be happy!!! I didn't win the lottery, but I will be at both shows at msg, to see the greatest band in the world... No matter what!!

    I'm sure a few folks on here will remember that when they lose out on TM tickets too.
    Hate to agree, but unless you have a few ticket buddies, pulling tickets to both nights is going to be hard. One is doable but the other show will be sold out by the time you check out.
    right, so people can quit it with the whole "you'll just have to do the public sale to get tickets" line. Amazing that people on a PJ forum have this much faith in ticketmaster. irony.
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    wres96wres96 Posts: 9
    No matter what the is going to be people unhappy, nothing can change that!! This sub guy has been crying for hours!! Tough luck butter cup!!!
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    The best chance at the best seats.... with members getting all five of their choices and others getting squat. sorry, don't buy it.

    Has there been any confirmation of this happening?

    Do we know for a fact that members who made multiple picks got completely shut out while other members who made the exact same picks got multiple shows?

    I'm just trying to see if all this outrage is over something legitimate or if people are just crying because they didn't get what they want.

    I'll be honest, it seems like the latter.

    As far as the whole 'no members should have been shut out' theory, you clearly don't understand supply & demand.

    When I looked a couple of days ago, Tampa had a 99% chance of you scoring reserved seats. Play the odds if you don't want to get shut out and go to Florida. If you can't travel to Tampa, and can only go to MSG? Then what the f do you expect? You live in the biggest city in the world.
    There are a lot of posts where people got shut out completely and others got multiple shows.
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