Just because you've been a FC member for longer does not make you a bigger fan. The system could be made better.
Agreed. The seniority argument needs to stop. The correlation between time and fandom is weak and fails in so many circumstances.
Because someone has been a fan longer does not make them a bigger fan than someone else. Unless they happen to weigh more, then they are the bigger fan.
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If seniority doesn't matter then why have member numbers at all? The only people who think seniority doesn't matter are people with high numbers the only people to think seniority matters are those with low numbers. The bottom line is the lottery system is terrible
If seniority doesn't matter then why have member numbers at all? The only people who think seniority doesn't matter are people with high numbers the only people to think seniority matters are those with low numbers. The bottom line is the lottery system is terrible
Or younger people. Sorry some of us were born in the 80s and 90s.
If seniority doesn't matter then why have member numbers at all? The only people who think seniority doesn't matter are people with high numbers the only people to think seniority matters are those with low numbers. The bottom line is the lottery system is terrible
Hell with the 17 or 18 year HS kid, who just discovered PJ, who just joined?
OP, I understand your frustrations. I was shut out of the Detroit 2014 lottery (as close to 'hometown' as it'll get for me), and was on and on again/off again 10c member in the early 2000s but was never able to utilize the club for tickets. Today's draw was my first success, 5th PJ show and the only one that I've gotten 10c tickets to. You said yourself you've gotten great tickets since 2000, so you've had quite a few years of success.
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"That being said I have been a U2 fan club member for 10+ years and during their fan club draws I have ALWAYS managed to get GA tickets. So saying that venues limit it etc etc is excuses. I have seen U2 10+ times have had GA 8 times and front row 8 times. I have NEVER been able to get Pearl Jam tickets so joined the fan club a couple years ago in hopes of finally seeing the band that recorded the first CD I ever purchased yet I can't even get tickets being a member of the fan club. "
I am asking because I don't really know, but isn't the GA at U2 concerts much larger since they play 60-80,000 seat arenas instead of 20,000 seat arenas? Plus aren't their tours much larger, playing more venues each tour? I'm not a fan club member for U2, but have gone to a few of their concerts, so I don't know, but it would seem that way to me.
Also, do people travel to see multiple U2 shows to the same extent as they do PJ? Seeing a U2 show is pretty much the same set list and show (albeit an awesome spectacle, I'll admit) no matter which city.
No disrespect, I'd just be interested to know if the comparison is valid.
I thought on the 2003 tour that the people bitches about where their seats were I do not remember anybody getting shut out of concerts. There are Pearl Jam fan club members today that got zero tickets to any of their concerts that is unacceptable
And if you're born in the 80s or 90s don't want anybody lie to you… You missed the best of Pearl Jam
Play EVEN FLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can't understand how someone can win 6 out of 7 shows and others who apply for one or two are completely shut out. How is that fair?, how does that get more loyal fans to be able to see them?
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I imagine that the logistics of making sure locals get dibs on tix is totally unmanageable these days, and it's also a big fuck you to everyone who live in places the band never goes. To limit ticket sales to local addresses is discriminatory. That said, it blows to not get hometown tix. THAT said, people can still go. Just not with 10C tix (or maybe if the find a ticket buddy).
Yea dude, it would violate the constitution. Interstate commerce clause, lol. It is one thing to be frustrated as I'm sure it sucks to get shut out of your hometown show. It is another thing to bitch about your ten club membership and cast blame at a "lottery" system.
How about we do this----- have no fan club tix at all? Front seats go to the folks willing to pay the price on stub hub. I did that during the vote for change tour...and i liked it.
Maybe there are other members out there that have an extra ticket? Maybe, you could get one of those as there are a lot of generous folk here (i gave away 2 Memphis GAs to complete strangers with far away seats in 2014)? Then, because of the same system you are complaining about you would have a ticket. There are alot of solutions and crying about it is not one of them.
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00 - WPB I & II
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10 - CLE
12 - Music Midtown; EV Jax II; EV Orlando I&II
13 - BWI; CVille; CLT
14 - Memphis
16 - Jax; Gville; Cola; Fenway II
And if you're born in the 80s or 90s don't want anybody lie to you… You missed the best of Pearl Jam
Play EVEN FLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Vitalogy avatar says it all. You also think they miss the best of Pearl Jam
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For as long as I've been in the fan club, seniority has never guaranteed tickets.
The current demand far exceeds the allotment for tickets. What should they do? They want a fair process that doesn't exclude anybody.
It's all well and good that someone who has been in the club for 20 years thinks they should get tickets to any show they want, wherever or whenever. You're entitled to your opinion, but clearly the band disagrees so there you go.
To those who missed out, good luck on Friday.
If you miss out on TM on Friday, keep checking over the next couple of months. Additional ticket drops happen more than you think, especially in the week before a concert.
I agree with the original post here. I've been a fan club member since 94 and I'm sorry that everybody's late to the party but after this much time I should get tickets to any show I want anytime I want. Philadelphia in 2003 had over 10,010 club tickets. The fact is, Pearl Jam sold out and they don't have the same number of tickets available that they did back then. Live nation sells them now and we happily pay fees when we used to have to travel to East Girish to see these guys. Oh yeah, I think they're rolling out a new South American bootleg tonight. Remember when you could get those all on one day? Sell out!
For as long as I've been in the fan club, seniority has never guaranteed tickets.
The current demand far exceeds the allotment for tickets. What should they do? They want a fair process that doesn't exclude anybody.
It's all well and good that someone who has been in the club for 20 years thinks they should get tickets to any show they want, wherever or whenever. You're entitled to your opinion, but clearly the band disagrees so there you go.
To those who missed out, good luck on Friday.
If you miss out on TM on Friday, keep checking over the next couple of months. Additional ticket drops happen more than you think, especially in the week before a concert.
Best solution without changing the lottery for the better would be to give people tickets to 1 show until everyone had at least one show on thier list. Then you can start letting people get multiple shows. That is the biggest issue with some of us "seniors". Going from almost always getting tickets to no tickets is what really gets people fired up.
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I can't understand how someone can win 6 out of 7 shows and others who apply for one or two are completely shut out. How is that fair?, how does that get more loyal fans to be able to see them?
For as long as I've been in the fan club, seniority has never guaranteed tickets.
The current demand far exceeds the allotment for tickets. What should they do? They want a fair process that doesn't exclude anybody.
It's all well and good that someone who has been in the club for 20 years thinks they should get tickets to any show they want, wherever or whenever. You're entitled to your opinion, but clearly the band disagrees so there you go.
To those who missed out, good luck on Friday.
If you miss out on TM on Friday, keep checking over the next couple of months. Additional ticket drops happen more than you think, especially in the week before a concert.
Best solution without changing the lottery for the better would be to give people tickets to 1 show until everyone had at least one show on thier list. Then you can start letting people get multiple shows. That is the biggest issue with some of us "seniors". Going from almost always getting tickets to no tickets is what really gets people fired up.
For as long as I've been in the fan club, seniority has never guaranteed tickets.
The current demand far exceeds the allotment for tickets. What should they do? They want a fair process that doesn't exclude anybody.
It's all well and good that someone who has been in the club for 20 years thinks they should get tickets to any show they want, wherever or whenever. You're entitled to your opinion, but clearly the band disagrees so there you go.
To those who missed out, good luck on Friday.
If you miss out on TM on Friday, keep checking over the next couple of months. Additional ticket drops happen more than you think, especially in the week before a concert.
Best solution without changing the lottery for the better would be to give people tickets to 1 show until everyone had at least one show on thier list. Then you can start letting people get multiple shows. That is the biggest issue with some of us "seniors". Going from almost always getting tickets to no tickets is what really gets people fired up.
I agree with not giving people a second show when people don't Have one yet.
Got shut out...no tix. Rediculous. Why is it that some fan club members are scoring all their picks while others get shut out??
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I can't understand how someone can win 6 out of 7 shows and others who apply for one or two are completely shut out. How is that fair?, how does that get more loyal fans to be able to see them?
Supply and demand. It's pretty simple.
Plus, it depends on how you choose the shows. I've seen examples on here and it's no wonder some did not win, because of the priority in which they chose their shows.
Just because you've been a FC member for longer does not make you a bigger fan. The system could be made better.
Agreed. The seniority argument needs to stop. The correlation between time and fandom is weak and fails in so many circumstances.
Because someone has been a fan longer does not make them a bigger fan than someone else. Unless they happen to weigh more, then they are the bigger fan.
Thank you. You are absolutely 100% correct. Membership has its privileges, but it doesn't guarantee anything other than a better chance of scoring tix than a non-member has. Add to that the fact that "senior" members get preferred seating (reserved) IF they are selected in the drawing; for twenty bucks a year, that seems like a pretty sweet deal.
I can understand being disappointed about not being selected in the lottery, but ... it's a fuckin' lottery, man. That's the way lotteries work. I saw one post today in which the poster bemoaned the fact that the lottery system seemed "rather random." Yes! Indeed it is. That's the very definition of a lottery. Chance and luck (obviously) play a huge role in the whole thing.
If I were a member with seniority (I'm not), I too might wish that my lower number guaranteed me dibs over someone with a higher number, but I'd like to think that I'd still be able to remain objective enough to see that such a system would be inherently unfair. Low number, high number, no number ... a fan's a fan. Fandom cannot (and should not) be quantified by how long one has been a member of a fan club.
My experience has shown me that lottery or no lottery, pre-sale or no pre-sale, Ticketmaster or no Ticketmaster, if you really wanna catch a show, it's not impossible to do so. Yes, one may have to jump through a few hoops and perhaps pay a little more, but not scoring a ticket via today's lottery does not preclude one from scoring tix to any show of their choosing.
Am I biased? Yes; a bit. I was chosen for MSG 2/Reserved. Is it because I'm a bigger fan or somehow deserve it more than others? Nah! Just got lucky; that's all.
this is funny. nowhere does it say that you are guaranteed tickets with a membership. you want guaranteed tix put a less popular location as your first choice and travel. based on your logic I'm surprised you aren't blaming the lottery on Obama, lol.
A lot of people have jobs, children, etc that won't permit them to up and leave home for a couple days to go to a rock concert. I'm not one of these people but I'm sympathetic to the people who didn't get their hometown shows for this reason.
Agree. It is tough when you miss out on the one show you want to go to, and others get 5 out of 7, 2 out of 3, etc
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Trixie, I hope you get what you need on TM. Good luck!
Because someone has been a fan longer does not make them a bigger fan than someone else. Unless they happen to weigh more, then they are the bigger fan.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
Does seniority guarantee tickets?
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
"That being said I have been a U2 fan club member for 10+ years and during their fan club draws I have ALWAYS managed to get GA tickets. So saying that venues limit it etc etc is excuses. I have seen U2 10+ times have had GA 8 times and front row 8 times. I have NEVER been able to get Pearl Jam tickets so joined the fan club a couple years ago in hopes of finally seeing the band that recorded the first CD I ever purchased yet I can't even get tickets being a member of the fan club. "
I am asking because I don't really know, but isn't the GA at U2 concerts much larger since they play 60-80,000 seat arenas instead of 20,000 seat arenas? Plus aren't their tours much larger, playing more venues each tour? I'm not a fan club member for U2, but have gone to a few of their concerts, so I don't know, but it would seem that way to me.
Also, do people travel to see multiple U2 shows to the same extent as they do PJ? Seeing a U2 show is pretty much the same set list and show (albeit an awesome spectacle, I'll admit) no matter which city.
No disrespect, I'd just be interested to know if the comparison is valid.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
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01JUN2006 - East Rutherford, NJ
03JUN2006 - East Rutherford, NJ
30SEP2009 - Universal City, CA
09OCT2009 - San Diego, CA
06JUL2011 - Long Beach, CA (EV)
19JUL2013 - Wrigley Field, IL
21OCT2013 - Philadelphia, PA
22OCT2013 - Philadelphia, PA
27OCT2013 - Baltimore, MD
29APR2016 - Philadelphia, PA (TEN)
05AUG2016 - Fenway Park, MA
07AUG2016 - Fenway Park, MA
27AUG2016 - Dana Point, CA (Ohana)
18AUG2018 - Wrigley Field, IL
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18SEP2021 - Asbury Park, NJ
14SEP2022 - Camden, NJ
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How about we do this----- have no fan club tix at all? Front seats go to the folks willing to pay the price on stub hub. I did that during the vote for change tour...and i liked it.
Maybe there are other members out there that have an extra ticket? Maybe, you could get one of those as there are a lot of generous folk here (i gave away 2 Memphis GAs to complete strangers with far away seats in 2014)? Then, because of the same system you are complaining about you would have a ticket. There are alot of solutions and crying about it is not one of them.
98 - ATL; WPB I & II
00 - WPB I & II
03 - Boston I; Detroit I & II
04 - Boston VFC I & II
05 - Borgata II
08 - WPB; NY MSG I & II
10 - CLE
12 - Music Midtown; EV Jax II; EV Orlando I&II
13 - BWI; CVille; CLT
14 - Memphis
16 - Jax; Gville; Cola; Fenway II
08JUL2003 - New York, NY (L@TG)
14JUL2003 - Holmdel, NJ
01OCT2004 - Reading, PA
01OCT2005 - Atlantic City, NJ
03OCT2005 - Philadelphia, PA
27MAY2006 - Camden, NJ
01JUN2006 - East Rutherford, NJ
03JUN2006 - East Rutherford, NJ
30SEP2009 - Universal City, CA
09OCT2009 - San Diego, CA
06JUL2011 - Long Beach, CA (EV)
19JUL2013 - Wrigley Field, IL
21OCT2013 - Philadelphia, PA
22OCT2013 - Philadelphia, PA
27OCT2013 - Baltimore, MD
29APR2016 - Philadelphia, PA (TEN)
05AUG2016 - Fenway Park, MA
07AUG2016 - Fenway Park, MA
27AUG2016 - Dana Point, CA (Ohana)
18AUG2018 - Wrigley Field, IL
20AUG2018 - Wrigley Field, IL
18SEP2021 - Asbury Park, NJ
14SEP2022 - Camden, NJ
For as long as I've been in the fan club, seniority has never guaranteed tickets.
The current demand far exceeds the allotment for tickets. What should they do? They want a fair process that doesn't exclude anybody.
It's all well and good that someone who has been in the club for 20 years thinks they should get tickets to any show they want, wherever or whenever. You're entitled to your opinion, but clearly the band disagrees so there you go.
To those who missed out, good luck on Friday.
If you miss out on TM on Friday, keep checking over the next couple of months. Additional ticket drops happen more than you think, especially in the week before a concert.
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I can understand being disappointed about not being selected in the lottery, but ... it's a fuckin' lottery, man. That's the way lotteries work. I saw one post today in which the poster bemoaned the fact that the lottery system seemed "rather random." Yes! Indeed it is. That's the very definition of a lottery. Chance and luck (obviously) play a huge role in the whole thing.
If I were a member with seniority (I'm not), I too might wish that my lower number guaranteed me dibs over someone with a higher number, but I'd like to think that I'd still be able to remain objective enough to see that such a system would be inherently unfair. Low number, high number, no number ... a fan's a fan. Fandom cannot (and should not) be quantified by how long one has been a member of a fan club.
My experience has shown me that lottery or no lottery, pre-sale or no pre-sale, Ticketmaster or no Ticketmaster, if you really wanna catch a show, it's not impossible to do so. Yes, one may have to jump through a few hoops and perhaps pay a little more, but not scoring a ticket via today's lottery does not preclude one from scoring tix to any show of their choosing.
Am I biased? Yes; a bit. I was chosen for MSG 2/Reserved. Is it because I'm a bigger fan or somehow deserve it more than others? Nah! Just got lucky; that's all.