Well there's the other stuff you get like the t shirt, newsletter, the 10c annual single etc. but of course we all pay for the early access to tickets.
I see this every time there's a presale. People get upset when they get shut out and I can understand. I'd be pissed too but I don't see how canceling your membership is going to help you out in the end. Unless you're just really pressed for the extra $40 a year, which you probably aren't.
it's not about being pressed for cash. It's about paying something for nothing, which seems sort of silly.
Agreed. But if you (and I don't mean you personally) understand the terms when you join every year you know that there are no guarantees when it comes to scoring tickets. Essentially yes, you pay for the opportunity only to maybe score tickets early before the public.
To me it's worth it but to some it may not be and I can see why.
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But that was always just about getting better seats, and it still is. Nothing has changed. I really dislike the fact that somehow people are taking that fact and for some reason saying it means people should get first dibs on tickets, which has never been done by 10C. It vexes me because it's not logical and asks for or shows an expectation of something that Pearl Jam has never offered its fans.
no, it wasn't. I have the emails from other tours, and a search through the old forums will confirm this, that it wasn't just about seats, it was about both seats and tickets.
??? Please paste. I have never heard that seniority has even guaranteed tickets or places people with seniority at the front of the line for purchasing tickets. Not once. If that has ever been the case, I will alter by view slightly, in that there is some reason for old members to wish that still happened (but not that it would be reasonable or close to it). If what you say is true it must have been a VERY long time ago....
Been a member since 1993. As far as I can remember, everyone has always had the same chance at getting tickets via F5 (in the past) or lottery (now).
Seniority has only come into play when allocating reserved seats to those who were successful in getting tickets.
Thus, there is value in renewing to keep up seniority for reserved seats.
I would agree that the seniority for the reserved seat argument if there was no GA, now that there is GA, the seniority means little, thus why bother keep renewing and just renew when the tour rumors start.
The whole argument that the GA brings new people to the front is pretty much BS when you see the same people show after show posting on social media and the message board about being upfront.
As for the lottery vs. F5, if there was still "F5" people wouldn't be waiting 8hrs after the deadline to see if they had tickets, they would already know.
Agreed. But if you (and I don't mean you personally) understand the terms when you join every year you know that there are no guarantees when it comes to scoring tickets. Essentially yes, you pay for the opportunity only to maybe score tickets early before the public.
To me it's worth it but to some it may not be and I can see why.
again, given that the tickets that go to fan club members are all pretty good, the seniority aspect really means less, so yeah, why not just buy a membership pre-tour, and not use it on the off years. So you lose seniority *if* you get tickets and have to get less amazing seats than the amazing seats senior member get *if* they too get tickets, but since everyone is saying they are all good seats, it matters little.
You know I understand complaining about paying for membership for the lottery, but what I don't understand is if the lottery is ALL you have the membership for, why not get the Digital version for half the price? That's what I did when I signed up.
To add insult to injury for who ever was complaining about being a member for years, someone posted on facebook they joined only a few days ago and got tickets to MSG.
Good for them! I bet they will have a blast. That's how PJ attracts and keeps new fans. I personally love seeing a lot of younger people at the shows. Keeps the energy up, a new generation listening to good music. It's great that new members can get a fair shot at good tickets for that membership fee that they are paying.
Oh please, have they spent the last 20 years giving dollars to a fan club in order to get great tickets???? If anyone just discovered PJ, they're likely to be fly by night fans. Not buying this for a second!
You know I understand complaining about paying for membership for the lottery, but what I don't understand is if the lottery is ALL you have the membership for, why not get the Digital version for half the price? That's what I did when I signed up.
Where did I indicate I didn't have a digital membership? I was using the analog as an example, because that's what you used to get, for the price of the digital. Again, it's not about the cash, it's about the fact that I can spend it elsewhere if it's doing nothing.
you can disagree, but I'm not really a fan of paying for the *chance* to get tickets.
Fair enough. I am personally happy to pay $20 a year simply for the chance to score GA tix for a show IF i am even able to get to a show at all, which isn't usually the case. $20 a year is next to nothing, and the odds are far better than if you buy a lottery ticket or go to the casino.
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You know I understand complaining about paying for membership for the lottery, but what I don't understand is if the lottery is ALL you have the membership for, why not get the Digital version for half the price? That's what I did when I signed up.
Where did I indicate I didn't have a digital membership? I was using the analog as an example, because that's what you used to get, for the price of the digital. Again, it's not about the cash, it's about the fact that I can spend it elsewhere if it's doing nothing.
genuinely wasn't talking to you. You're not the only one complaining. Othered explicitly stated the $50 and $40 price in posts. Wasn't actually talking to anyone in particular. just making a general suggestion.
you can disagree, but I'm not really a fan of paying for the *chance* to get tickets.
Fair enough. I am personally happy to pY $20 a hear simply for the chance to score GA tix for a show IF i am even able to get to a show at all, which isn't usually the case. $20 a year is next to nothing, and the odds are far better than if you buy a lottery ticket or go to the casino.
You know I understand complaining about paying for membership for the lottery, but what I don't understand is if the lottery is ALL you have the membership for, why not get the Digital version for half the price? That's what I did when I signed up.
Where did I indicate I didn't have a digital membership? I was using the analog as an example, because that's what you used to get, for the price of the digital. Again, it's not about the cash, it's about the fact that I can spend it elsewhere if it's doing nothing.
Then spend it elsewhere. Simple.
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You know I understand complaining about paying for membership for the lottery, but what I don't understand is if the lottery is ALL you have the membership for, why not get the Digital version for half the price? That's what I did when I signed up.
Where did I indicate I didn't have a digital membership? I was using the analog as an example, because that's what you used to get, for the price of the digital. Again, it's not about the cash, it's about the fact that I can spend it elsewhere if it's doing nothing.
Then spend it elsewhere. Simple.
I think that's what I've been saying all along. I find bizarre the unquestioning defense of the ticketing policies, and I do struggle to believe that the majority of fans pay for anything other than tickets and the single.
Well this hurts.... Lost the lottery, no tickets to any of the shows I can go to. Here's hoping I can get some decent seats via public on sale.
I do wonder how the lottery actually works, it seems as though it's fairly random, though it would be neat to use an existing algorithm that takes into account your geographical location, number of shows you tried for ect... and hence it's a weighted lotto (much more fair.) perhaps even do drawings incrementally ie giving folks a chance to add more choices if those they are selecting are lost.
Or I'm just bitter that I lost and the band is skipping my large east coast city.
To the topic at hand, I won and lost. My first 4 options were GA for the FL shows, first 4 shows of the tour. My 5-8 were reserved seats for the same shows. I hit GA for the first 2 shows and reserved for shows 3 and 4. So I get to go to each show I put in for with 10c tix, just not GA for night 3 and 4.
As far as 10C numbers go, it does seem that the value of a lower number has gone down and has been "watered down" so to speak. Since the lotto for rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 and then the addition of GA pit, people with lower numbers don't always have as much priority in terms of being closest to the stage.
I joined in 2000, and I like what the changes have done. I think overall it's much more fair to everyone and gives everyone a chance to really get close to the band if that's what they want (I do).
I don't recall a lower number ever giving anyone higher priority in terms of ticket availability, just higher priority for seat location. It does suck though if you've been a member for 18 years with no interruption and you got shut out today. On the flip side, if that's you then you've probably also been to some awesome shows and were really fucking close. Let some of the newbies have their fun and keep looking on here there will be trades and people with extras.
The way it worked before was: -we have X number of tickets for Y venue -assign tickets to X number of fan club members by membership number -lower numbers, you might not get into that X bracket.
And somewhere along the way, they changed that.
Having been a member of the 10 club since it cost 5 bucks and there were no ticket privileges, I can tell you that you are... Wrong. Completely wrong. Seniority has never aided in obtaining tickets, only in seat location.
Seems you may be mixing up memories the old "block system" of distribution with actual ticket purchasing. In 2000 and 2003 tickets were distributed in blocks, so the folks with the highest seniority would be in the first block usually rows 1-5, the tickets were distributed at the window first come first serve out of the respective block. It was changed after that to pre-assigned seats waiting for you in an envelope allocated based on seniority.
ASs for purchases, seniority has never been a factor. In the 90's and up to 2004, you mailed in an order form for your tickets. Back then I don't think anyone was shut out of tickets because there were fewer members and there were no restrictions by Ticketmaster/Livenation on the allotment 10club would get, so they could fill all fan club orders. Starting in 2005 the sales of tickets took place on the website (the good old F% days), you purchased thickets at a designated time through the Pearl jam website and the seat location would be assigned at the venue by seniority.
10 club has never guaranteed anyone a ticket, only the "opportunity" and has never used seniority to determine who was allowed to purchase tickets. In recent years as word got out that PJ sold the best seats in the house to its fan club members, membership has risen steadily. This is what has brought about the current lottery, demand now far outweighs supply (especially because the band is only able to get a small percentage of the house now from Ticketmaster/Livenation, approximately 10%).
Seniority was used for seating location for 2 reasons, rewarding long time loyal fans and deterring scalpers from signing up just before a tour.
sorry guys but the seniority thing for GA isn't a fair system, its not an equal chance for all members that have paid for their membership. if you've been lucky enough to have won GA tickets for a number of years then that's great but during those years there were also members who missed out, this time it maybe you and yes its crap when you lose out but it seems a little selfish when people comment about how ive been a member longer so I deserve tickets more than someone whos been a member for a lesser time. Each member is equally deserving of a chance to win tickets, some you win some you lose, well done 10c for securing GA to each show and trying to look after its members, never going to please everyone when demand is so high though.
Still doesn't answer the question: if your seniority means jack shit for tickets, why should I pay any year where there is no tour?
same reason as I pay I suppose, I enjoy being part of 10c, not just for tours, ive not had the chance yet to enter a lottery for tickets as only been in for 2 years and in the uk. We're all the same here though. if seniority was the method wheres the incentive for anyone else to join? I understand the feelings of missing out but no-one should ever have more of a right than anyone else.
You join, and your seniority increases every year. I started with a crap number at the time I signed up. It got better as I hung in there. That's the motivation. Telling members their seniority counts for many, many, years, and then now it doesn't is disingenuous.
As far as I'm aware seniority counts for seated tix. Therefore not disingenuous.
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sorry guys but the seniority thing for GA isn't a fair system, its not an equal chance for all members that have paid for their membership. if you've been lucky enough to have won GA tickets for a number of years then that's great but during those years there were also members who missed out, this time it maybe you and yes its crap when you lose out but it seems a little selfish when people comment about how ive been a member longer so I deserve tickets more than someone whos been a member for a lesser time. Each member is equally deserving of a chance to win tickets, some you win some you lose, well done 10c for securing GA to each show and trying to look after its members, never going to please everyone when demand is so high though.
I just wanted reserved seats!! Didn't even try for GA. I agree that everyone deserves a chance at tickets but some people should have a little better chance. Just my opinion
Why should some people have a little better chance?
You again? Haha. Like I said I think it should be weighted based on seniority. The longer you've been in the better your chance
Why?
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Just my opinion. I've been a member since 2003 and I think someone who's been in longer deserves a better chance. I think I deserve a better chance than someone who just joined. That's all, no further explanation required. You don't have to agree, remember this thread is for whining
So a 17yo for instance, who has been into the band for a couple of years and is a member and joins hoping to see their first show should have less of a chance at getting a ticket than you merely because you're older?
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To the topic at hand, I won and lost. My first 4 options were GA for the FL shows, first 4 shows of the tour. My 5-8 were reserved seats for the same shows. I hit GA for the first 2 shows and reserved for shows 3 and 4. So I get to go to each show I put in for with 10c tix, just not GA for night 3 and 4.
As far as 10C numbers go, it does seem that the value of a lower number has gone down and has been "watered down" so to speak. Since the lotto for rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 and then the addition of GA pit, people with lower numbers don't always have as much priority in terms of being closest to the stage.
I joined in 2000, and I like what the changes have done. I think overall it's much more fair to everyone and gives everyone a chance to really get close to the band if that's what they want (I do).
I don't recall a lower number ever giving anyone higher priority in terms of ticket availability, just higher priority for seat location. It does suck though if you've been a member for 18 years with no interruption and you got shut out today. On the flip side, if that's you then you've probably also been to some awesome shows and were really fucking close. Let some of the newbies have their fun and keep looking on here there will be trades and people with extras.
The way it worked before was: -we have X number of tickets for Y venue -assign tickets to X number of fan club members by membership number -lower numbers, you might not get into that X bracket.
And somewhere along the way, they changed that.
Having been a member of the 10 club since it cost 5 bucks and there were no ticket privileges, I can tell you that you are... Wrong. Completely wrong. Seniority has never aided in obtaining tickets, only in seat location.
Seems you may be mixing up memories the old "block system" of distribution with actual ticket purchasing. In 2000 and 2003 tickets were distributed in blocks, so the folks with the highest seniority would be in the first block usually rows 1-5, the tickets were distributed at the window first come first serve out of the respective block. It was changed after that to pre-assigned seats waiting for you in an envelope allocated based on seniority.
ASs for purchases, seniority has never been a factor. In the 90's and up to 2004, you mailed in an order form for your tickets. Back then I don't think anyone was shut out of tickets because there were fewer members and there were no restrictions by Ticketmaster/Livenation on the allotment 10club would get, so they could fill all fan club orders. Starting in 2005 the sales of tickets took place on the website (the good old F% days), you purchased thickets at a designated time through the Pearl jam website and the seat location would be assigned at the venue by seniority.
10 club has never guaranteed anyone a ticket, only the "opportunity" and has never used seniority to determine who was allowed to purchase tickets. In recent years as word got out that PJ sold the best seats in the house to its fan club members, membership has risen steadily. This is what has brought about the current lottery, demand now far outweighs supply (especially because the band is only able to get a small percentage of the house now from Ticketmaster/Livenation, approximately 10%).
Seniority was used for seating location for 2 reasons, rewarding long time loyal fans and deterring scalpers from signing up just before a tour.
members on the old forum would disagree.... as the higher numbers frequently got locked out of tickets. I believe you've managed to do well thus far and have ignored the fact that everyone, at some point, had a shit number. And yes, the seniority mattered.
Also, it's never been some sort of deep secret that the band has the best seats for the fan club members. It's been this way since the vitalogy days. The idea that there would be some sort of rush of people, now of all times, is laughable.
did anyone get tickets for a high demand show besides first choice? i am thinking that only first choice got high demand shows, second and third for medium demand, and then everyone got low demand reserved seats.
I had toronto as 2nd chioce and no luck, curious if anyone had luck outside of choice(1) ? ..
did anyone get tickets for a high demand show besides first choice? i am thinking that only first choice got high demand shows, second and third for medium demand, and then everyone got low demand reserved seats.
I had toronto as 2nd chioce and no luck, curious if anyone had luck outside of choice(1) ? ..
Two guys in the other thread mentioned they got MSG and Philly tickets. Seems crazy to me.
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To the topic at hand, I won and lost. My first 4 options were GA for the FL shows, first 4 shows of the tour. My 5-8 were reserved seats for the same shows. I hit GA for the first 2 shows and reserved for shows 3 and 4. So I get to go to each show I put in for with 10c tix, just not GA for night 3 and 4.
As far as 10C numbers go, it does seem that the value of a lower number has gone down and has been "watered down" so to speak. Since the lotto for rows 1, 2, 9 & 10 and then the addition of GA pit, people with lower numbers don't always have as much priority in terms of being closest to the stage.
I joined in 2000, and I like what the changes have done. I think overall it's much more fair to everyone and gives everyone a chance to really get close to the band if that's what they want (I do).
I don't recall a lower number ever giving anyone higher priority in terms of ticket availability, just higher priority for seat location. It does suck though if you've been a member for 18 years with no interruption and you got shut out today. On the flip side, if that's you then you've probably also been to some awesome shows and were really fucking close. Let some of the newbies have their fun and keep looking on here there will be trades and people with extras.
The way it worked before was: -we have X number of tickets for Y venue -assign tickets to X number of fan club members by membership number -lower numbers, you might not get into that X bracket.
And somewhere along the way, they changed that.
Having been a member of the 10 club since it cost 5 bucks and there were no ticket privileges, I can tell you that you are... Wrong. Completely wrong. Seniority has never aided in obtaining tickets, only in seat location.
Seems you may be mixing up memories the old "block system" of distribution with actual ticket purchasing. In 2000 and 2003 tickets were distributed in blocks, so the folks with the highest seniority would be in the first block usually rows 1-5, the tickets were distributed at the window first come first serve out of the respective block. It was changed after that to pre-assigned seats waiting for you in an envelope allocated based on seniority.
ASs for purchases, seniority has never been a factor. In the 90's and up to 2004, you mailed in an order form for your tickets. Back then I don't think anyone was shut out of tickets because there were fewer members and there were no restrictions by Ticketmaster/Livenation on the allotment 10club would get, so they could fill all fan club orders. Starting in 2005 the sales of tickets took place on the website (the good old F% days), you purchased thickets at a designated time through the Pearl jam website and the seat location would be assigned at the venue by seniority.
10 club has never guaranteed anyone a ticket, only the "opportunity" and has never used seniority to determine who was allowed to purchase tickets. In recent years as word got out that PJ sold the best seats in the house to its fan club members, membership has risen steadily. This is what has brought about the current lottery, demand now far outweighs supply (especially because the band is only able to get a small percentage of the house now from Ticketmaster/Livenation, approximately 10%).
Seniority was used for seating location for 2 reasons, rewarding long time loyal fans and deterring scalpers from signing up just before a tour.
Also, please cut it out with the patronizing on here. You are using anecdotal evidence, as am I. Unless either of us can pull out a written contract from the band re: tickets, we're in the same boat. I can be frustrated with the change, and frustrated with the outcome, rather than caught up in trying to prove people wrong just because.
poncier well put. both my wife and i got shut out at the last "local" show in london ontario. we not happy but we understand thats the way it is. i was persistant and got a pair anyway from a release on a random evening. this draw i was lucky. got toronto philly 1 and quebec. reserved. i have been a member since 97 and this is still the best club flaws and all. too many good times too count. and when i have had an extra single seat i have helped people out . thats what it should be all about.
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To me it's worth it but to some it may not be and I can see why.
The whole argument that the GA brings new people to the front is pretty much BS when you see the same people show after show posting on social media and the message board about being upfront.
As for the lottery vs. F5, if there was still "F5" people wouldn't be waiting 8hrs after the deadline to see if they had tickets, they would already know.
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I do wonder how the lottery actually works, it seems as though it's fairly random, though it would be neat to use an existing algorithm that takes into account your geographical location, number of shows you tried for ect... and hence it's a weighted lotto (much more fair.) perhaps even do drawings incrementally ie giving folks a chance to add more choices if those they are selecting are lost.
Or I'm just bitter that I lost and the band is skipping my large east coast city.
Wrong.
Completely wrong.
Seniority has never aided in obtaining tickets, only in seat location.
Seems you may be mixing up memories the old "block system" of distribution with actual ticket purchasing.
In 2000 and 2003 tickets were distributed in blocks, so the folks with the highest seniority would be in the first block usually rows 1-5, the tickets were distributed at the window first come first serve out of the respective block. It was changed after that to pre-assigned seats waiting for you in an envelope allocated based on seniority.
ASs for purchases, seniority has never been a factor. In the 90's and up to 2004, you mailed in an order form for your tickets. Back then I don't think anyone was shut out of tickets because there were fewer members and there were no restrictions by Ticketmaster/Livenation on the allotment 10club would get, so they could fill all fan club orders. Starting in 2005 the sales of tickets took place on the website (the good old F% days), you purchased thickets at a designated time through the Pearl jam website and the seat location would be assigned at the venue by seniority.
10 club has never guaranteed anyone a ticket, only the "opportunity" and has never used seniority to determine who was allowed to purchase tickets.
In recent years as word got out that PJ sold the best seats in the house to its fan club members, membership has risen steadily. This is what has brought about the current lottery, demand now far outweighs supply (especially because the band is only able to get a small percentage of the house now from Ticketmaster/Livenation, approximately 10%).
Seniority was used for seating location for 2 reasons, rewarding long time loyal fans and deterring scalpers from signing up just before a tour.
Latest story - Declan at Slipknot is up on the website now at www.giventolive.com along with Kayleigh at Foo Fighters, Tony at Stereophonics and more.
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Latest story - Declan at Slipknot is up on the website now at www.giventolive.com along with Kayleigh at Foo Fighters, Tony at Stereophonics and more.
Inspired by Pearl Jam, making live music dreams come true.
Latest story - Declan at Slipknot is up on the website now at www.giventolive.com along with Kayleigh at Foo Fighters, Tony at Stereophonics and more.
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Also, it's never been some sort of deep secret that the band has the best seats for the fan club members. It's been this way since the vitalogy days. The idea that there would be some sort of rush of people, now of all times, is laughable.
I had toronto as 2nd chioce and no luck, curious if anyone had luck outside of choice(1) ?
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