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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    mickeyrat said:

    Maybe instead of judgement , ask how its working for them. If the answer is positive, express happiness about that. If its the opposite, express sympathy. Focus on the individual

    Good post here Mickey.totally in agreement.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    mickeyrat said:

    Maybe instead of judgement , ask how its working for them. If the answer is positive, express happiness about that. If its the opposite, express sympathy. Focus on the individual

    There ya go.

    Guess I'm also a "fence-sitter" but so be it. I'd never give anyone shit for what they do or don't believe in, nor call BS, nor demand proof. No problem or fear or insecurity or any of that; I welcome discussions wholeheartedly but ask (sometimes to deaf ears!) that preaching and self-righteousness be left at the door no matter where you're coming from.

    It's so simple...it really is. Or can be.

    And, I'm fortunate to have come to know some of the best and kindest people whom I respect and trust without reservation - some who have faith, some who don't, and other in-betweens like myself.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    It is not simple at all.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SD48277
    SD48277 Posts: 12,243
    For the record:
    I don't know if god does or does not exist.
    I was just asking a couple of questions regarding some statements made here, not try to sway anyone from their beliefs (as if that was possible :lol: ).
    I don't believe I called or inferred or intimated that anyone was an asshole.
    I do believe in separation of church and state.

    As for thread integrity, I stand by what I posted earlier: yes, you can be in a gay/lesbian marriage, attend church (depending on the church), and have a belief in god.
    ELITIST FUK
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    I'm with Hedo :) I'm an atheist but I respect the right of an individual to hold whatever beliefs they so choose, as long as said beliefs in no way impinge on my life. Just as I expect my own views to be respected, so too I must respect the views of others, however I feel about them. The problems arise because we do not have a separation of church and state and so religious beliefs persist in leading to the persecution of innocent people.

    So in theory, I have no issue with the concept of belief in a god, if it makes you happy. However, I have a huge problem when that belief harms another person
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    mickeyrat said:

    Maybe instead of judgement , ask how its working for them. If the answer is positive, express happiness about that. If its the opposite, express sympathy. Focus on the individual

    Thank you for this, Mickey.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited January 2016
    I respect the right of people to hold whatever beliefs they want too, in case any of you haven't picked up on that. I don't feel like anyone in this thread or any other thead has actually ever suggested otherwise. That is, I respect the right. I feel no obligation to respect other people's actual beliefs. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I think any sane person would have to say the same.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Maybe we should be asking ourselves.......

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  • amethgr8
    amethgr8 Posts: 766
    labels are unfair. Judgement of others life is unfair as well.
    There are 9 different definitions for the word "truth".
    Self labeling doesn't really do us much good either.
    sensory driven human beings...if I can't see, touch, hear, feel or taste it, then it is not there? We know this is not true.
    I've accepted that my brain is not advanced enough to either fully accept a Holy Spirit as part of my being or that natural evolution is how I came to be. Maybe it was a combination of both, maybe God existed for awhile and then he moved on because man advanced. I don't know that any of us animals can say with absolute certainty.
    People believe this or that, home school is wrong, raising your kid with a gender is right, dogs should be kept outside, cats can be inside with the potbellied pig, lol, etc.
    People don't need religion to cause a ruckus, they will do it anyway, under another name.
    I am a child of this world, however it came to be.

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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,876
    FSM would tell us to drink some rum, get some hookers, and relax. Pastafarians don't hate on others' opinions because they are too busy living their own lives and getting fucked up.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited January 2016
    F Me In The Brain said:

    FSM would tell us to drink some rum, get some hookers, and relax. Pastafarians don't hate on others' opinions because they are too busy living their own lives and getting fucked up.



    Sounds about right.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,876
    edited January 2016
    Love your avatar I have been espousing the gospel of the FSM for years.
    R'amen.
    Post edited by F Me In The Brain on
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    F Me In The Brain said:

    Love your avatar I have been espousing the gospel of the FSM for years.
    R'amen.

    Thanks. Nice to hear that someone else has been touched by his noodly appendage.
  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972
    ugh the world would be so much better without religion.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited January 2016
    It'd be better without hate toward or fanaticism of religion.

    I'd not be here without it.

    *edit - without religion/faith, that is. Not the terms in the first sentence...although I guess maybe the former?
    Post edited by hedonist on
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,671
    We're getting off topic a bit here but I can see how the world would be better off without religion as defined as a belief in something purely fictional that people incorporate in making big decisions about how they and others should live their lives- especially when it is foisted off on others.

    And besides, much of what religion is about is to fulfill a desire many humans have to engage in ritual and that desire can be just as easily fulfilled be celebrating the solstices or a full moon or going to a Pearl Jam concert or recognizing a birth or death or something else that is real and significant.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Would this topic title be any different from a scientist who believes in god, goes to church and is working on the big bang theory? Everybody is different.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972
    hedonist said:

    It'd be better without hate toward or fanaticism of religion.

    I'd not be here without it.

    *edit - without religion/faith, that is. Not the terms in the first sentence...although I guess maybe the former?

    Maybe but millions of people wouldn't have died in pointless wars
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    ehbacon said:

    hedonist said:

    It'd be better without hate toward or fanaticism of religion.

    I'd not be here without it.

    *edit - without religion/faith, that is. Not the terms in the first sentence...although I guess maybe the former?

    Maybe but millions of people wouldn't have died in pointless wars
    Can't change that though unfortunately.

    To the OP's question. Yes.

    I do believe that in most religions it is taboo but also in those religions you aren't allowed to cast judgement?
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited January 2016
    brianlux said:

    We're getting off topic a bit here but I can see how the world would be better off without religion as defined as a belief in something purely fictional that people incorporate in making big decisions about how they and others should live their lives- especially when it is foisted off on others.

    And besides, much of what religion is about is to fulfill a desire many humans have to engage in ritual and that desire can be just as easily fulfilled be celebrating the solstices or a full moon or going to a Pearl Jam concert or recognizing a birth or death or something else that is real and significant.

    I get it. Sort of. Like a lot of folks (not me, fwiw) recognize that the birth and death (and rebirth) of Jesus Christ were all real and significant (again, not me).

    Whatever, I enjoy the presents and candy.

    I don't think I have any rituals. Nor do I think that I have any desires to engage in them.

    Unless being anti-social is a ritual.
    Post edited by dankind on
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