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PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
edited February 2016 in A Moving Train
I searched "gay marriage" and all the threads were years old or closed.
So on that note.

An article like this doesn't upset me it is just a person stating their beliefs.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/sign-at-mount-pearl-jewellery-store-upsets-lgbt-community-again-1.3406432
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I searched "gay marriage" and all the threads were years old or closed.
    So on that note.

    An article like this doesn't upset me it is just a person stating their beliefs.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/sign-at-mount-pearl-jewellery-store-upsets-lgbt-community-again-1.3406432

    Can they co-exist? Sure, for some.
    Do they co-exist? Sure, for some.

    The concept isn't necessarily mutually-exclusive.


  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013

    Can you be in a Gay/Lesbian Marriage, Attend Church and Have A Belief of god? - Can they coexist?

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    The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.

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  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    do people realize that there is no difference between being a marriage of two homosexual people than two heterosexual people? Saying someone gets "gay married" is like someone saying people get "straight married", or playing "Canadian Hockey", it's the same thing and just redundant to say.

    that being said, back when I still believed that there was a god I went to a nice church that was very openminded and there were a lot of gays going there. A lot of them got married there too.

    that being said, i've yet to see anywhere in the bible that specifically says anything about gay marriage. Even if it does, who cares? It's not like it was written by god, it's a book. Religion is so frustrating, because everyone involved thinks their beliefs are right and everyone else is wrong.

    People like me are the only one's who are right. I believe that it is not in my power or knowledge to say whether their is or isn't a god, and nor is it in the power or knowledge of anybody else. That is the only thing that is correct, and basically it's just saying that nobody knows, so why start fucking wars over shit.


    SO that turned into a rant fast. Do I sense incoming salt from people?
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  • EnkiduEnkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    If you're ever in LA, come to my Episcopal church on a Sunday and see straight couples, gay couples, single people - both straight and gay, old people, young people, lots of children, a gay rector - so speaking about my own experience and my own church, the answer is yes. http://www.stmikessc.org
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,366
    edited January 2016
    Can they co-exist? Absolutely. It's amazing that some people still find it hard to accept gay marriage, even in the church. True,I say this as a non-religious person. I tried believing in a god and then realized it's great that life is mysterious without trying to define the unknown. But I don't have a bias against people who believe in God, as long as they don't insist others believe as they do.

    Here's a great example of gay and church co-existing just fine. Malcolm Boyd was know as "The Gay Priest" and this book is a one of my few favorites in the spiritual realm of literature. He was a fine man and I had the pleasure of corresponding with him a few times.

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  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    ehbacon said:

    People like me are the only one's who are right

    omg! me too!
    ehbacon said:

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    yeah, no.

    not me too

  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    rollings said:

    ehbacon said:

    People like me are the only one's who are right

    omg! me too!
    ehbacon said:

    You have not provided a valid SoundCloud URL. Learn more about using SoundCloud players.

    yeah, no.

    not me too

    Ha.
    Listen to some of my music here (if you want to): [url="My soundcloud"]
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,366
    ehbacon said:

    rollings said:

    ehbacon said:

    People like me are the only one's who are right

    omg! me too!
    ehbacon said:

    You have not provided a valid SoundCloud URL. Learn more about using SoundCloud players.

    yeah, no.

    not me too

    Ha.
    I can picture a gay god living in the Sound Cloud who is married to an atheist god in the Sound Cloud.

    In the Sound Cloud , "It's all good". (So saith the Lords and New Creatures.)
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Questioning sexuality and make believe fantasies doesn't compute. Error. Error.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited January 2016
    what if you're a gay/lesbian felon who sells guns to children, drinks a lot of coffee, smokes a lot of drugs, goes through booze like wild, deals in black market slavery, eats fast food & buy a lot of crap - then what?

    oh
    & dislikes spotted owl nests
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,882
    Andrew Sullivan is a married gay man who is also a devout catholic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xGAVp0ztc
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Cliffy6745 said:

    Andrew Sullivan is a married gay man who is also a devout catholic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xGAVp0ztc

    Oh the lies we tell ourselves. Got to be emotionally draining.
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  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    brianlux said:

    ehbacon said:

    rollings said:

    ehbacon said:

    People like me are the only one's who are right

    omg! me too!
    ehbacon said:

    You have not provided a valid SoundCloud URL. Learn more about using SoundCloud players.

    yeah, no.

    not me too

    Ha.
    I can picture a gay god living in the Sound Cloud who is married to an atheist god in the Sound Cloud.

    In the Sound Cloud , "It's all good". (So saith the Lords and New Creatures.)
    Just out of curiosity, do you know what soundcloud is?
    Listen to some of my music here (if you want to): [url="My soundcloud"]
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,366
    ehbacon said:

    brianlux said:

    ehbacon said:

    rollings said:

    ehbacon said:

    People like me are the only one's who are right

    omg! me too!
    ehbacon said:

    You have not provided a valid SoundCloud URL. Learn more about using SoundCloud players.

    yeah, no.

    not me too

    Ha.
    I can picture a gay god living in the Sound Cloud who is married to an atheist god in the Sound Cloud.

    In the Sound Cloud , "It's all good". (So saith the Lords and New Creatures.)
    Just out of curiosity, do you know what soundcloud is?
    Not really. Is it like Bandcamp?
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    brianlux said:

    ehbacon said:

    brianlux said:

    ehbacon said:

    rollings said:

    ehbacon said:

    People like me are the only one's who are right

    omg! me too!
    ehbacon said:

    You have not provided a valid SoundCloud URL. Learn more about using SoundCloud players.

    yeah, no.

    not me too

    Ha.
    I can picture a gay god living in the Sound Cloud who is married to an atheist god in the Sound Cloud.

    In the Sound Cloud , "It's all good". (So saith the Lords and New Creatures.)
    Just out of curiosity, do you know what soundcloud is?
    Not really. Is it like Bandcamp?
    yeah, easier for you to see it than for me to explain it: https://soundcloud.com
    Listen to some of my music here (if you want to): [url="My soundcloud"]
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,882
    callen said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Andrew Sullivan is a married gay man who is also a devout catholic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xGAVp0ztc

    Oh the lies we tell ourselves. Got to be emotionally draining.
    callen said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    Andrew Sullivan is a married gay man who is also a devout catholic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3xGAVp0ztc

    Oh the lies we tell ourselves. Got to be emotionally draining.
    To each their own.

    I personally very much appreciate Sullivan's take on pretty much everything, even if I don't agree with him. Always well thought out.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,000
    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.
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  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.

    - Christopher McCandless
  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,000
    edited January 2016
    ehbacon said:

    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
    I said 90% believe in God (or Gods). Not that 90% belong to an organized religion. If anything, that percentage is on the low side as far as how many people believing in God goes. I don't think that Atheists and Buddhists make up more than 10% of the world's population, do they? There aren't actually that many Atheists in the world.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
    I said 90% believe in God. Not that 90% belong to an organized religion. If anything, that percentage is on the low side as far as how many people believing in God goes. I don't think that Atheists make up more than 10% of the world's population.
    16% are non-believers

    http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

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    - Christopher McCandless
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,000
    Where are you getting that? Unaffiliated isn't the same as non-believers.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.
    The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.

    - Christopher McCandless
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,000
    edited January 2016
    RKCNDY said:

    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.

    Oh, I disagree. I think that higher power and God in the general sense are the same thing in the end, by definition. So I think the only "non-believers" are Atheists and Buddhists, which really is probably about 10% of the world.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • RKCNDYRKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    RKCNDY said:

    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.

    Oh, I disagree. I think that higher power and God in the general sense are the same thing in the end, by definition. So I think the only "non-believers" are Atheists and Buddhists, which really is probably about 10% of the world.
    So, Hindus believe that 'one encompassing being' has split into several different representations since 'one being' is much too large to be everything, and much too large to believe in. Do you consider each of these representations to be 'god'? If so, then the word 'god' has vast meanings to different people.
    The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.

    - Christopher McCandless
  • ehbaconehbacon Posts: 1,971
    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
    I said 90% believe in God (or Gods). Not that 90% belong to an organized religion. If anything, that percentage is on the low side as far as how many people believing in God goes. I don't think that Atheists and Buddhists make up more than 10% of the world's population, do they? There aren't actually that many Atheists in the world.
    a 2002 study showed that around 12% of the world are convinced atheists. That means 88% of the world either believes in god, or doesn't believe they can say whether god exists or doesn't exist. That was 14 years ago, and as the baby boomer generation's population declined from that time, I'm sure the percentage of atheists has risen as well.
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  • deadendpdeadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    rr165892 said:

    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.

    Thank you for this. :plus_one:

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul said:

    RKCNDY said:

    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.

    Oh, I disagree. I think that higher power and God in the general sense are the same thing in the end, by definition. So I think the only "non-believers" are Atheists and Buddhists, which really is probably about 10% of the world.
    I dunno, I'm agnostic but feel there is something greater than I, than us. A higher power or maybe just an energy that remains, gets passed on, passed around. But to say I believe in god? Nope.
    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.

    Thank you for this. :plus_one:

    Yuppity yup!
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