Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I agree with much of this, RR. I don't have any problem with someone believing what they want if it brings them peace. I only piped up because this thread talked about gay marriage vis a vis church and belief in god. The negative feelings I have about religion stem from being subjected to it in my younger years, and my continued subjection to it from people in political power. If someone wants to believe in something that brings them peace and hope, and they can do it in a way that doesn't force those beliefs or practices on me, then I'm A-okay with it. As soon as it steps on my toes, then I push back.
this is how I think, I did try church, several of them, the standard church and organized religion is not for me. The community, the friendship, the helping others is all wonderful...the politics part is not cool.
Reading about other 'religions' (they are not all considered organized religion) has really opened my eyes about things...some people could learn something if they actually educated themselves as well.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
The link you posted is to an article of a business owner displaying signs saying "Man + Woman Equals Marriage," along with a quote from Genesis. As far as I can tell from the article (unless I missed it), he is not representing a church. So I guess I'm confused about how the link relates to your original question.
But in response to your question--yes, you can be in a same sex marriage, attend church and have a belief in god. My guess is that it depends on the church you attend. Being gay (single or married) does not negate a belief in god.
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It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.
PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?
Not at all. It's all science man.
Which part? We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past. How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?
For me, it doesn't at all, as I said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am an Atheist, so any theory about deities on Earth or elsewhere simply don't factor in as far as I'm concerned.... If I'm not answering your question, I think I need you to reiterate! It's an interesting topic for sure. I'm guessing that it would be a huge factor for someone who believes in God, but I have absolutely no idea how a religious person would handle proof of life from other planets. I would think that it would throw a real wrench into their belief systems, since pretty much all religions function on the idea that humans are the focus of their god or gods. And if another civilization of beings could actually prove to religious people that God doesn't exist, that would be kind of fucking awesome IMO, lol.
While I do worship at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I do so with a rum soaked, pirate-like grin. [Which is to say that I also am not a believer in any gods.]
However, I hope to never be alive when (somehow?) it could be proven to religious people that their god(s) do not exist. That would be very sad -- a large number of good people use those beliefs as a basis for their everyday lives. To have that fundamental belief pulled from someone after a lifetime of acceptance would be kind of fucked up. Seems mean to say it would be kind of awesome.
but imagine how good of an "I told you so" you could have...
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Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
Just one of many thoughts, why would your Christian God create humans when he knows 70% are doomed to hell because they will never accept Christ due to where they were born?
As to just let people believe what they want just keep out of politics, well that won't happen because politicians, atheist even like Trump and Obama, will lie and play the religious card for votes. The religious look for validation of their fragile belief system so love it when there are Tim Tebow's and Ted Cruz's cause it makes living the lie easier.
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
Just one of many thoughts, why would your Christian God create humans when he knows 70% are doomed to hell because they will never accept Christ due to where they were born?
As to just let people believe what they want just keep out of politics, well that won't happen because politicians, atheist even like Trump and Obama, will lie and play the religious card for votes. The religious look for validation of their fragile belief system so love it when there are Tim Tebow's and Ted Cruz's cause it makes living the lie easier.
If you read what I wrote you would see that I actually agree and do not believe in the existence of any gods. My point was that you are breaking the Pearl Jam Religion's one commandment (Don't be an Asshole) if you take a dump on what others choose to believe and you certainly are being an asshole if you take pleasure in a good person having the rug yanked out from under them as far as their core belief system. S'all I was saying. Can agree or disagree, makes little difference to me. Unlike some, I do not think my opinion = fact...but I would wager heavily that others here would line up to try and curb someone who shits on the beliefs of others to make themselves feel better. [Although we clearly see the mods let it happen frequently. Feel free to deride someone's beliefs but be sure not to name call!]
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
I know I was pretty disappointed when I figured out there was no "prince charming". the only way I would find a partner is through trial and error relationships. some were good, some not so good, I am lucky, I bounced back but it took years. Lots of questions to my own constitution, working on my core being and learning to satisfy my own needs instead of looking for someone to fulfill them.
if I didn't have the whole prince charming fantasy to look forward to, as an adult, I might not have got out of bed at all.
I went through all of it and found my prince charming and it's everything to me. Live the Fantasy!! we really don't know what is there and what is not based on perception.
amy
Amy The Great #74594
New Orleans LA 7/4/95 reschedule 9/17/95
Chicago IL 1998, 10/9/00, 06/18/03, 05/16/06, 05/17/06
08/23/09, 08/24/09, Lolla 08/05/07
Champaign IL 4/23/03
Grand Rapids MI VFC 10/03/04
Grand Rapids MI 19May06
Noblesville IN 05/07/10 Cleveland OH 05/09/10
PJ 20 2011
Baltimore MD, Charlottesville VA, Seattle WA 2013
St. Louis MO, Milwaukee WI 2014
Tampa FL, Chicago IL, Lexington KY 2016 Missoula MT 2018
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
Just one of many thoughts, why would your Christian God create humans when he knows 70% are doomed to hell because they will never accept Christ due to where they were born?
As to just let people believe what they want just keep out of politics, well that won't happen because politicians, atheist even like Trump and Obama, will lie and play the religious card for votes. The religious look for validation of their fragile belief system so love it when there are Tim Tebow's and Ted Cruz's cause it makes living the lie easier.
If you read what I wrote you would see that I actually agree and do not believe in the existence of any gods. My point was that you are breaking the Pearl Jam Religion's one commandment (Don't be an Asshole) if you take a dump on what others choose to believe and you certainly are being an asshole if you take pleasure in a good person having the rug yanked out from under them as far as their core belief system. S'all I was saying. Can agree or disagree, makes little difference to me. Unlike some, I do not think my opinion = fact...but I would wager heavily that others here would line up to try and curb someone who shits on the beliefs of others to make themselves feel better. [Although we clearly see the mods let it happen frequently. Feel free to deride someone's beliefs but be sure not to name call!]
I'm okay being called an Asshole on this subject. Just wish more would follow so we can get rid of these archaic belief systems.
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
I know I speak my truth. That's the only truth I know. You only have a problem with my stance because you are making assumptions. Obviously I am aware that people who believe in God do not agree with my belief, and to them, God is truth. Either way, truth reigns supreme, and yes, I 100% believe that I'm right, and they 100% believe that they are right. If proof if God came along, I'd be all over it because it's what's true. However, I KNOW that God doesn't exist. I don't know why people insist on explaining the basic tenants of personal belief to me every time I express my Atheist views, as though I'm an idiot, lol.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
Oh I feel all religious folks question their faith all the time. It's inevitable. When infants and children get terminal cancer got to make it real hard to think of a just and loving god.
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
Oh I feel all religious folks question their faith all the time. It's inevitable. When infants and children get terminal cancer got to make it real hard to think of a just and loving god.
I don't question my Atheism ever. Because the idea of God, to me, is utterly ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, people may as well just read Harry Potter and believe all of those books to be true.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
Oh I feel all religious folks question their faith all the time. It's inevitable. When infants and children get terminal cancer got to make it real hard to think of a just and loving god.
That is not the only time people question their faith. I think you are making some assumptions.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
Oh I feel all religious folks question their faith all the time. It's inevitable. When infants and children get terminal cancer got to make it real hard to think of a just and loving god.
That is not the only time people question their faith. I think you are making some assumptions.
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
Oh I feel all religious folks question their faith all the time. It's inevitable. When infants and children get terminal cancer got to make it real hard to think of a just and loving god.
That is not the only time people question their faith. I think you are making some assumptions.
As an agnostic it is my position that both believers and non (read athiest) have the burden of proof for their position.
I like this. Not sure why people on either side feel like the other side is the only one that needs to prove things. It is indeed a cop out. I respect the opinions everyone is posting -- my whole thing was not to shit on others for what they choose to believe.
[[And on the subject of believing in Harry Potter...this is why I jokingly refer to myself as a Pastafarian follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Google it if curious. Funny stuff.]]
As an agnostic it is my position that both believers and non (read athiest) have the burden of proof for their position.
Why would anyone have the burden of proof for something that doesn't exist? Sorry, the burden of proof lies with the believers.
"Orange and purple dragons don't exist."
"Prove it!"
"Uhhhhh..... They don't exist."
Same thing could be said for people who believe in UFOs or possible life on other planets.....
Not the same at all. There are a lot of tangible things that people could present to suggest that UFOs or possible life on other planets exist or could exist. It doesn't mean people have to buy it (some or any of it), but there are feasible things to consider, which is not at all the case when it comes to God.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in. Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.
I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.
This is the root of my basic problem with your stance. I agree with many of your points but the facts (and you mistakenly think the opinion you have is a fact) are that the truth is not known on this issue. Having lack of proof of a god doesn't mean there is not a god. You agree that your opinion may be mean and state that you don't care because you speak the truth. Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true. You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
If one does just the smidge of critical thinking they will realize today's gods and writings, are complete fabrications. So you prove there is a god. You have that burden. You know it's all BS but hold On to it due to comfort. I realize it's very painful to have to read of other humans saying it's all BS. Tough. We need more to yell this at the top of their lungs.
Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
How do you know that believers haven't questioned their faith?
Oh I feel all religious folks question their faith all the time. It's inevitable. When infants and children get terminal cancer got to make it real hard to think of a just and loving god.
That is not the only time people question their faith. I think you are making some assumptions.
Oh sure there are many.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.
No sarcasm. Heck it was my questioning that got me to where I am. Look I think there are some great messages in the bible. I live my life by the golden rule.
Give it up SD. Not going to make a point to someone who refuses to believe that anything they believe could be wrong. I think your point is perfectly made. (About UFOs vs gods)
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Well, you speak your truth. Doesn't mean it is the same that everyone else here believes and that your opinion is the only one that could be true.
You have the right to do this of course....but insisting that what you believe is the only truth doesn't make you smarter than others, and being mean about it is breaking the only commandment of the Pearl Jam Religion.
Enkidu, the Pastafarians have a Sabbath....it is on Fridays. There is no requirement other than to enjoy oneself. Drinking beer and relaxing is encouraged.
- Christopher McCandless
The body of monster....peace be with you
You will feel the warmth as he/she/it nourishes your body.
Reading about other 'religions' (they are not all considered organized religion) has really opened my eyes about things...some people could learn something if they actually educated themselves as well.
- Christopher McCandless
Looking around "Everybody is ok with this? weird. Is it just me? I can't be the only one..."
But in response to your question--yes, you can be in a same sex marriage, attend church and have a belief in god. My guess is that it depends on the church you attend. Being gay (single or married) does not negate a belief in god.
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Comment was made to start a religion thread. Well it would fail because believers wouldn't contribute as they know it will have them question their faith. So many times when religion comes up in thread, believers bail. Even saying "I'm outta here."
Just one of many thoughts, why would your Christian God create humans when he knows 70% are doomed to hell because they will never accept Christ due to where they were born?
As to just let people believe what they want just keep out of politics, well that won't happen because politicians, atheist even like Trump and Obama, will lie and play the religious card for votes. The religious look for validation of their fragile belief system so love it when there are Tim Tebow's and Ted Cruz's cause it makes living the lie easier.
My point was that you are breaking the Pearl Jam Religion's one commandment (Don't be an Asshole) if you take a dump on what others choose to believe and you certainly are being an asshole if you take pleasure in a good person having the rug yanked out from under them as far as their core belief system.
S'all I was saying. Can agree or disagree, makes little difference to me. Unlike some, I do not think my opinion = fact...but I would wager heavily that others here would line up to try and curb someone who shits on the beliefs of others to make themselves feel better. [Although we clearly see the mods let it happen frequently. Feel free to deride someone's beliefs but be sure not to name call!]
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if I didn't have the whole prince charming fantasy to look forward to, as an adult, I might not have got out of bed at all.
I went through all of it and found my prince charming and it's everything to me. Live the Fantasy!! we really don't know what is there and what is not based on perception.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Orange and purple dragons don't exist."
"Prove it!"
"Uhhhhh..... They don't exist."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I respect the opinions everyone is posting -- my whole thing was not to shit on others for what they choose to believe.
[[And on the subject of believing in Harry Potter...this is why I jokingly refer to myself as a Pastafarian follower of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Google it if curious. Funny stuff.]]