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RKCNDY

Perhaps a new thread needs to be created debating religion/god/gods...

Wouldn't want to get flagged for derailing the topic of the original intent of the thread. Though I think the original intent was to troll.

rr165892

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

mickeyrat

callen said:

mickeyrat said:

I say NO witha capital N. Gods hates it, Just HATES IT, when folks treat each other with love and respect. Refraining from Judgement and the like. Goes SOO AGAINST His Word and thats why he killed his only son.


I'm curious why someone who doesnt believe in a god or God or religion and feels those who do believe to be stupid or weak, feels the need to continueally create posts about God and religion.

Because it is driven by Insecurity. Then this fear us passed on to children. Then politicians pass unjust laws to coddle the I secure. This affects me. Cycle needs to stop.

If I never heard law makers discuss gods or policies implemented due to these beliefs, great. Not the case.

Pretty fucking dense this morning or is your all powerful opinion juzt too important not to share on a sarcastic post to begin with?

ehbacon

mickeyrat said:

I say NO witha capital N. Gods hates it, Just HATES IT, when folks treat each other with love and respect. Refraining from Judgement and the like. Goes SOO AGAINST His Word and thats why he killed his only son.


I'm curious why someone who doesnt believe in a god or God or religion and feels those who do believe to be stupid or weak, feels the need to continueally create posts about God and religion.

Please tell me this is a joke. I keep reading it to find the punchline but all i can find is mindless hate.

PJ_Soul

deadendp said:

PJ_Soul said:

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Not another one.

Haha. It was just a double post.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

mickeyrat

ehbacon said:

mickeyrat said:

I say NO witha capital N. Gods hates it, Just HATES IT, when folks treat each other with love and respect. Refraining from Judgement and the like. Goes SOO AGAINST His Word and thats why he killed his only son.


I'm curious why someone who doesnt believe in a god or God or religion and feels those who do believe to be stupid or weak, feels the need to continueally create posts about God and religion.

Please tell me this is a joke. I keep reading it to find the punchline but all i can find is mindless hate.

So ummm something that reads very westboro baptist is taken seriously?

ehbacon

mickeyrat said:

ehbacon said:

mickeyrat said:

I say NO witha capital N. Gods hates it, Just HATES IT, when folks treat each other with love and respect. Refraining from Judgement and the like. Goes SOO AGAINST His Word and thats why he killed his only son.


I'm curious why someone who doesnt believe in a god or God or religion and feels those who do believe to be stupid or weak, feels the need to continueally create posts about God and religion.

Please tell me this is a joke. I keep reading it to find the punchline but all i can find is mindless hate.

So ummm something that reads very westboro baptist is taken seriously?

you never know over the internet

deadendp

Meant to edit. Thought of you PJSoul!

rr165892

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

Which part?
We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past.
How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

Which part?
We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past.
How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?

For me, it doesn't at all, as I said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am an Atheist, so any theory about deities on Earth or elsewhere simply don't factor in as far as I'm concerned.... If I'm not answering your question, I think I need you to reiterate! It's an interesting topic for sure. I'm guessing that it would be a huge factor for someone who believes in God, but I have absolutely no idea how a religious person would handle proof of life from other planets. I would think that it would throw a real wrench into their belief systems, since pretty much all religions function on the idea that humans are the focus of their god or gods. And if another civilization of beings could actually prove to religious people that God doesn't exist, that would be kind of fucking awesome IMO, lol.

F Me In The Brain

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

Which part?
We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past.
How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?

For me, it doesn't at all, as I said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am an Atheist, so any theory about deities on Earth or elsewhere simply don't factor in as far as I'm concerned.... If I'm not answering your question, I think I need you to reiterate! It's an interesting topic for sure. I'm guessing that it would be a huge factor for someone who believes in God, but I have absolutely no idea how a religious person would handle proof of life from other planets. I would think that it would throw a real wrench into their belief systems, since pretty much all religions function on the idea that humans are the focus of their god or gods. And if another civilization of beings could actually prove to religious people that God doesn't exist, that would be kind of fucking awesome IMO, lol.

While I do worship at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I do so with a rum soaked, pirate-like grin. [Which is to say that I also am not a believer in any gods.]

However, I hope to never be alive when (somehow?) it could be proven to religious people that their god(s) do not exist. That would be very sad -- a large number of good people use those beliefs as a basis for their everyday lives. To have that fundamental belief pulled from someone after a lifetime of acceptance would be kind of fucked up.
Seems mean to say it would be kind of awesome.

PJ_Soul

F Me In The Brain said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

Which part?
We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past.
How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?

For me, it doesn't at all, as I said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am an Atheist, so any theory about deities on Earth or elsewhere simply don't factor in as far as I'm concerned.... If I'm not answering your question, I think I need you to reiterate! It's an interesting topic for sure. I'm guessing that it would be a huge factor for someone who believes in God, but I have absolutely no idea how a religious person would handle proof of life from other planets. I would think that it would throw a real wrench into their belief systems, since pretty much all religions function on the idea that humans are the focus of their god or gods. And if another civilization of beings could actually prove to religious people that God doesn't exist, that would be kind of fucking awesome IMO, lol.

While I do worship at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I do so with a rum soaked, pirate-like grin. [Which is to say that I also am not a believer in any gods.]

However, I hope to never be alive when (somehow?) it could be proven to religious people that their god(s) do not exist. That would be very sad -- a large number of good people use those beliefs as a basis for their everyday lives. To have that fundamental belief pulled from someone after a lifetime of acceptance would be kind of fucked up.
Seems mean to say it would be kind of awesome.

I don't care if it's mean or not. I don't think that living a lie is a positive thing.

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

Which part?
We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past.
How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?

For me, it doesn't at all, as I said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am an Atheist, so any theory about deities on Earth or elsewhere simply don't factor in as far as I'm concerned.... If I'm not answering your question, I think I need you to reiterate! It's an interesting topic for sure. I'm guessing that it would be a huge factor for someone who believes in God, but I have absolutely no idea how a religious person would handle proof of life from other planets. I would think that it would throw a real wrench into their belief systems, since pretty much all religions function on the idea that humans are the focus of their god or gods. And if another civilization of beings could actually prove to religious people that God doesn't exist, that would be kind of fucking awesome IMO, lol.

While I do worship at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I do so with a rum soaked, pirate-like grin. [Which is to say that I also am not a believer in any gods.]

However, I hope to never be alive when (somehow?) it could be proven to religious people that their god(s) do not exist. That would be very sad -- a large number of good people use those beliefs as a basis for their everyday lives. To have that fundamental belief pulled from someone after a lifetime of acceptance would be kind of fucked up.
Seems mean to say it would be kind of awesome.

I don't care if it's mean or not. I don't think that living a lie is a positive thing.

Especially when many of those people are in a position of power, and can legislate or govern based on their mythologies.

rr165892

Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in.
Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.

rr165892

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

PJ,how does your experience with witnessing something not worldly affect your view on faith,religion and the "bigger picture" of existence?

Not at all. It's all science man.

Which part?
We have discussed the unexplained that we both have witnessed in the past.
How does The prospect of other civilizations on other worlds (allegedly) play into a singular deity theory that we know here as a human civilization?

For me, it doesn't at all, as I said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am an Atheist, so any theory about deities on Earth or elsewhere simply don't factor in as far as I'm concerned.... If I'm not answering your question, I think I need you to reiterate! It's an interesting topic for sure. I'm guessing that it would be a huge factor for someone who believes in God, but I have absolutely no idea how a religious person would handle proof of life from other planets. I would think that it would throw a real wrench into their belief systems, since pretty much all religions function on the idea that humans are the focus of their god or gods. And if another civilization of beings could actually prove to religious people that God doesn't exist, that would be kind of fucking awesome IMO, lol.

While I do worship at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I do so with a rum soaked, pirate-like grin. [Which is to say that I also am not a believer in any gods.]

However, I hope to never be alive when (somehow?) it could be proven to religious people that their god(s) do not exist. That would be very sad -- a large number of good people use those beliefs as a basis for their everyday lives. To have that fundamental belief pulled from someone after a lifetime of acceptance would be kind of fucked up.
Seems mean to say it would be kind of awesome.

I don't care if it's mean or not. I don't think that living a lie is a positive thing.

But at least respect "why" people of faith believe what they do.Thats just being a nice descent person.right?

jeffbr

rr165892 said:

Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in.
Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.

I agree with much of this, RR. I don't have any problem with someone believing what they want if it brings them peace. I only piped up because this thread talked about gay marriage vis a vis church and belief in god. The negative feelings I have about religion stem from being subjected to it in my younger years, and my continued subjection to it from people in political power. If someone wants to believe in something that brings them peace and hope, and they can do it in a way that doesn't force those beliefs or practices on me, then I'm A-okay with it. As soon as it steps on my toes, then I push back.

rr165892

I agree with you also.it goes back to live and let live.but keep it out of politics

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in.
Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.

I totally understand what religion does for people. I don't discount it. I simply believe in truth. Whatever is true reigns supreme IMO.

Enkidu

rr165892 said:

Hold on now.Dont discount the effect faith has on those who believe.My wife is an atheist and I'm not religious and yes I think religion can be hypocritical and full of fantasy,but to some it's all they have.It offers hope when there may be none elsewhere.It offers comfort when some need it the most.It gives community,and brings happiness.And not all religious activities are pie in the sky.So benevolence is also mixed in.
Not agreeing is fine,but understanding why some hold on to it with all there being is completely understandable to me and I hope if that brings them the peace they need to sustain in this world,then let em enjoy it.Make your soul and mind happy and if that's what does it for you I'm all for it.

Yep, RR. I was lucky to be brought up in a moderate to progressive Methodist church that taught us that all religions were fine and equal and there was nothing wrong if you had no religion. And that's the way I've lived my life - I don't judge anybody. I go to my progressive Episcopal church and that works for me. I would never disrespect anyone else's religion or lack of religion. If you don't believe in anything, that's totally fine. It's not my business.

And like Jeffbr, I hate the idea of anyone trying to force religion on anyone else.

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster sounds intriguing. Do they meet on Sunday mornings?