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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited January 2016
    ehbacon said:

    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
    I said 90% believe in God (or Gods). Not that 90% belong to an organized religion. If anything, that percentage is on the low side as far as how many people believing in God goes. I don't think that Atheists and Buddhists make up more than 10% of the world's population, do they? There aren't actually that many Atheists in the world.
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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
    I said 90% believe in God. Not that 90% belong to an organized religion. If anything, that percentage is on the low side as far as how many people believing in God goes. I don't think that Atheists make up more than 10% of the world's population.
    16% are non-believers

    http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    Where are you getting that? Unaffiliated isn't the same as non-believers.
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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited January 2016
    RKCNDY said:

    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.

    Oh, I disagree. I think that higher power and God in the general sense are the same thing in the end, by definition. So I think the only "non-believers" are Atheists and Buddhists, which really is probably about 10% of the world.
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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    RKCNDY said:

    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.

    Oh, I disagree. I think that higher power and God in the general sense are the same thing in the end, by definition. So I think the only "non-believers" are Atheists and Buddhists, which really is probably about 10% of the world.
    So, Hindus believe that 'one encompassing being' has split into several different representations since 'one being' is much too large to be everything, and much too large to believe in. Do you consider each of these representations to be 'god'? If so, then the word 'god' has vast meanings to different people.
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  • ehbacon
    ehbacon Posts: 1,972
    PJ_Soul said:

    ehbacon said:

    RKCNDY said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Since about 90% or more of the world's population believes in God, I would assume that means about 90% of gays believe in God, give or take. And yes, some attend Church of course - I'd say that has something to do with individual experiences when it comes to acceptance of gays in their particular Church/religion. Many churches are very open to it, others not so much, and others are completely against it.

    that percentage seems unusually high...what is it, only 30% is christian, then the next is Islam (non-god believers, and then non-believers (atheist, agnostic, secular, etc), after that is Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism...
    yeah that was not an accurate percent.
    I said 90% believe in God (or Gods). Not that 90% belong to an organized religion. If anything, that percentage is on the low side as far as how many people believing in God goes. I don't think that Atheists and Buddhists make up more than 10% of the world's population, do they? There aren't actually that many Atheists in the world.
    a 2002 study showed that around 12% of the world are convinced atheists. That means 88% of the world either believes in god, or doesn't believe they can say whether god exists or doesn't exist. That was 14 years ago, and as the baby boomer generation's population declined from that time, I'm sure the percentage of atheists has risen as well.
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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    rr165892 said:

    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.

    Thank you for this. :plus_one:

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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    What if God or Jesus were gay?
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul said:

    RKCNDY said:

    in the link I provided.

    The Religiously Unaffiliated

    The religiously unaffiliated population includes atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion in surveys. However, many of the religiously unaffiliated do hold religious or spiritual beliefs. For example, various surveys have found that belief in God or a higher power is shared by 7% of unaffiliated Chinese adults, 30% of unaffiliated French adults and 68% of unaffiliated U.S. adults.6

    note it says "god or a higher power" personally, I wouldn't lump 'god' in with a 'higher power', they are 2 different things to me since most people associate 'god' with an organized religion.

    Oh, I disagree. I think that higher power and God in the general sense are the same thing in the end, by definition. So I think the only "non-believers" are Atheists and Buddhists, which really is probably about 10% of the world.
    I dunno, I'm agnostic but feel there is something greater than I, than us. A higher power or maybe just an energy that remains, gets passed on, passed around. But to say I believe in god? Nope.
    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.

    Thank you for this. :plus_one:

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Tons of people believe in fairy tales. Why not gay people?

    I know one thing....Gay people are real.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,818
    I say NO witha capital N. Gods hates it, Just HATES IT, when folks treat each other with love and respect. Refraining from Judgement and the like. Goes SOO AGAINST His Word and thats why he killed his only son.


    I'm curious why someone who doesnt believe in a god or God or religion and feels those who do believe to be stupid or weak, feels the need to continueally create posts about God and religion.
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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    Thanks hedo and ehbacon. I guess my main point is, with Islam, they say the American 'god' is wrong, their 'allah' is correct, so the term 'god' is so subjective. The main reason I will define 'god' as being the ones christians tend to associate with since I am American.

    But to stay on the topic of the thread, to quote the Beatles, 'all you need is love'.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited January 2016
    It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,777
    edited January 2016
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  • RKCNDY
    RKCNDY Posts: 31,013
    PJ_Soul said:

    It doesn't matter which God. A higher power is God, a god, gods, or the same thing that you don't haplen to want to call god. Whatever, in the end it all pretty much means the same thing. The semantics of it and which gods or higher powers are irrelevant in terms of what I'm trying to say.

    That's your opinion, and that's great. I happen to have a different one. :)
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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    PJ_Soul said:

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    Not another one.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited January 2016
    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.

    Thank you for this. :plus_one:

    Sorry but once my government officials use religion to make laws, all of the religions idiocies need to be discussed. Plus if you had an uncle saying he see's purple unicorns, it's best to tell him he's bit confused.

    Realize this makes people uncomfortable and hard to keep living your lie but tough.

    There is no Christian or Muslim gods. It's all made up BS to give peace of mind. You all know it.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited January 2016
    mickeyrat said:

    I say NO witha capital N. Gods hates it, Just HATES IT, when folks treat each other with love and respect. Refraining from Judgement and the like. Goes SOO AGAINST His Word and thats why he killed his only son.


    I'm curious why someone who doesnt believe in a god or God or religion and feels those who do believe to be stupid or weak, feels the need to continueally create posts about God and religion.

    Because it is driven by Insecurity. Then this fear is passed on to children. Then politicians pass unjust laws to coddle the Insecure. This affects me. Cycle needs to stop.

    If I never heard law makers discuss gods or policies implemented due to these beliefs, great. Not the case.

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  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    edited January 2016
    callen said:

    deadendp said:

    rr165892 said:

    Whatever floats your boat.Live the way you want.No rules to follow.Whatever makes one happy.

    Thank you for this. :plus_one:

    Sorry but once my government officials use religion to make laws, all of the religions idiocies need to be discussed. Plus if you had an uncle saying he see's purple unicorns, it's best to tell him he's bit confused.

    Realize this makes people uncomfortable and hard to keep living your lie but tough.

    There is no Christian or Muslim gods. It's all made up BS to give peace of mind. You all know it.

    Just because you don't believe in God or gods doesn't mean it doesn't exist for those who do. I certainly wouldn't suggest that your belief or disbelief is made up. Clearly you believe or profess disbelief on a different side than me. Good on you. Have at it. I'm certainly not going to tell you that the way you believe or disbelieve is made up to give you peace of mind.

    Don't attack. It's not nice. Any religion or the lack there of would agree.
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