TL170678
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edited December 2015
Judgmental much Mary Forseberg? She used to do heroin with Scott, probably smoked his crack too. Celeb child support is so expensive anyway, she was getting nearly 1 million per year, yet complains if she did not get a check haha. I would do heroin too if I had to pay my ex 720,000 per year. Geeze. He had to go back on the road and play piss smelling night clubs just to pay her. Scott was not a fan of constant touring, it killed his voice.
Judgmental much Mary Forseberg? She used to do heroin with Scott, probably smoked his crack too. Celeb child support is so expensive anyway, she was getting nearly 1 million per year, yet complains if she did not get a check haha. I would do heroin too if I had to pay my ex 720,000 per year. Geeze. He had to go back on the road and play piss smelling night clubs just to pay her. Scott was not a fan of constant touring, it killed his voice.
Wanting her children's father to be a dad isn't judgmental in any way shape or form!
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His wife seemed sincere that she feels during his downward spirals people should be helping him and not just standing pat.
I am a doctor and I see patients with addictions from tobacco to alcohol to heroin. I don't think anything I can possibly say will cure them Nor do I have some magic pill to prescribe. The first step is that the patient has to want to come clean. But that is the hard part because what options do they have? I can ask a social worker to give them resources for quitting. But the onus is still on the patient to go back into the community, scared and alone and maybe use them. Not to mention therapy for mental illness is just extremely limited. Unfortunately, addiction never goes away. I truly believe these addicts want to get clean but sometimes the addiction is too strong to overcome with anything society can really offer.
breathing is the hardest thing to do. with all I've said and all that's dead for you, you lied - good bye
A few years ago i had a chance to see Scott play just north of Dallas. I told my wife we should go because there is no way of nowing how much longer he would be around. Wish i wasn't right about that.
He was definitely one of the more Iconic voices of the 90s, he left us with a lot of good tunes, and holy shit was he exciting to see live! Needle and the damage done....
His wife seemed sincere that she feels during his downward spirals people should be helping him and not just standing pat.
I am a doctor and I see patients with addictions from tobacco to alcohol to heroin. I don't think anything I can possibly say will cure them Nor do I have some magic pill to prescribe. The first step is that the patient has to want to come clean. But that is the hard part because what options do they have? I can ask a social worker to give them resources for quitting. But the onus is still on the patient to go back into the community, scared and alone and maybe use them. Not to mention therapy for mental illness is just extremely limited. Unfortunately, addiction never goes away. I truly believe these addicts want to get clean but sometimes the addiction is too strong to overcome with anything society can really offer.
Doc I agree with almost everything you have said. As a recovering addict sober over 10 years I can tell you that a few comments you wrote stuck out to me. To stay sober is about action not desire. You wrote that you believe that these addicts want to get clean but sometimes the addiction is too strong to overcome with anything society can really offer. That is not my experience, and the experience I have witnessed personally in hundreds of others. Recovery is not generally effective for people who want it, or people who need it, it is for people who DO it! There is a saying "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path", if the addict does the things that are mapped out, and is truly done, my experience, recovery works just fine, people are the ones that don't want to do the work. If you don't want to stay sober more than you want to drink or get high you will relapse. You have to be done living that way. I agree that addiction never goes away, but I don't think about using or drinking at all anymore, but I still take my medicine EVERYDAY! That's how this works... By medicine I mean.. I either go to a meeting.. Read some literature... Talk to another guy in the program..work with a guy I sponsor.. Talk to my sponsor... Do some type of service... That's the deal...you give up 1 thing to get everything! My life is complete freedom... Addiction does not care if you are a Rock Star or a bum but the solution doesn't either... You can stay sober if you want to... Society has nothing to do with it... It is something deep within us... Either we want to stay sober 51/49% and do the work or we don't.
Sorry for the rant! Just something I'm passionate about!
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this is totally fucked. we gotta take better care of our 90's heros
We do?
Edit: if this guy was one of your heroes..... I don't know what to say about that...... He was a great songwriter & performer, but beyond that I don't see all that much to emulate.
Addiction sucks, and is a horrible thing, this guy has been a walking disaster for a long time. At the risk of repeating myself, the only surprising thing to me is that this didn't happen sooner.
Bummer to see another talented artist brought down by drugs, but he's no hero in my book.
actually i was one of those who didn't care much for STP too much. I think I got Purple and Tiny Music in one of those 12 for 1cent Columbia House Deals. I liked the hits, but found most of the other songs to be okay.
Scott Weiland made it. He has a place in rock music history. True, he was never one of my 'heros', but he might have been to some people.
He needed help and never really got it. The fame and the money only enabled him more. And for that, we the public are partly responsible. we financed all the smack and coke that went into Weiland's system.
You're right about the public being partially responsible. People who want to do a better job 'taking care of their '90s heroes' should put their money where their mouth is instead of supporting a functioning addict or worse yet, a record company that exploits functioning addicts.
Make a contribution to MAP, or Al-anon or AA.
Better yet, go volunteer at the local youth center, or for the Big Brothers/Big Sisters and make a difference in the life of a child who needs a positive role model.
Go be a hero yourself, it's easier than you think.
Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...
I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.
Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...
I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.
Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...
I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.
Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...
I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.
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Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...
I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.
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Wow. No. I think the one, two?, threads here are about paying respects and offering sympathy.
Sure hope there's no condescension toward those doing the same for the loss of a fellow member.
Well perhaps we should have a category dedicated to those who are lost.
Perhaps you could rein it in for the two threads dedicated to people who have passed lately. Show some respect for the love, if you know how. Don't like what you see here then go and play in the 12 or so threads about a possible tour or go back to AMT and harass the people there.
STP also released a live dvd called Alive In The Windy City. $15 at HMV. I think I'm going to get this now. Scott also released a live cd I didn't know about until today, a 10 track cd called Live In Los Angeles.
That show is awesome! I got the blu ray a month or so ago. Do pick it up if you haven't done so already.
Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...
I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.
She makes excellent points about parenting and drugs and media culture. Its just that ive heard so much crap about her over the years that im not buying anyones story. It sounds like their situation was still a mess which is sad for the kids. They're the most important thing
this is totally fucked. we gotta take better care of our 90's heros
We do?
Edit: if this guy was one of your heroes..... I don't know what to say about that...... He was a great songwriter & performer, but beyond that I don't see all that much to emulate.
Addiction sucks, and is a horrible thing, this guy has been a walking disaster for a long time. At the risk of repeating myself, the only surprising thing to me is that this didn't happen sooner.
Bummer to see another talented artist brought down by drugs, but he's no hero in my book.
actually i was one of those who didn't care much for STP too much. I think I got Purple and Tiny Music in one of those 12 for 1cent Columbia House Deals. I liked the hits, but found most of the other songs to be okay.
Scott Weiland made it. He has a place in rock music history. True, he was never one of my 'heros', but he might have been to some people.
He needed help and never really got it. The fame and the money only enabled him more. And for that, we the public are partly responsible. we financed all the smack and coke that went into Weiland's system.
You're right about the public being partially responsible. People who want to do a better job 'taking care of their '90s heroes' should put their money where their mouth is instead of supporting a functioning addict or worse yet, a record company that exploits functioning addicts.
Make a contribution to MAP, or Al-anon or AA.
Better yet, go volunteer at the local youth center, or for the Big Brothers/Big Sisters and make a difference in the life of a child who needs a positive role model.
Go be a hero yourself, it's easier than you think.
there's the dilemma. Do we stop buying their records? Probably not going to happen.
the second part of this. The reason I feel partly responsible...as if maybe I didn't care enough about STP. I know that's a bit dramatic. at the same time, maybe if STP had the same kind of fan base as PJ, things would be different.
as far as giving time to help anyone in need.... You are right, that's definitely a step in the right direction. I will keep it mind.
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I get what you are saying but she did not mind taking a million dollars a year from him for child support even though it was making him tour more, and the touring is what drove him to get F`d up. I am sure she was not quiet when he missed a payment or she would not have made it follow him to his death bed in a eulogy.
I get what you are saying but she did not mind taking a million dollars a year from him for child support even though it was making him tour more, and the touring is what drove him to get F`d up. I am sure she was not quiet when he missed a payment or she would not have made it follow him to his death bed in a eulogy.
To be fair you don't know that as a fact, he struggled with addiction for decades, both on and off the road. I think if you read the article he did for Esquire about his addiction, you really get an understanding of why he found it so hard to remain clean:
You're wondering when you'll be able to feel comfort again, physical comfort even. That's why it's so difficult to kick. Your pleasure receptors are so fried that your brain has no ability to feel any pleasure on its own. You're so depressed. It makes you want to get high.
I get what you are saying but she did not mind taking a million dollars a year from him for child support even though it was making him tour more, and the touring is what drove him to get F`d up. I am sure she was not quiet when he missed a payment or she would not have made it follow him to his death bed in a eulogy.
Am a recovering alky/addict. Touring did not make me use. Nothing in the external did. That shit is just convenient bullshit we all tell ourselves to prevent looking inward.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComxFAagceo Scott's final interview, days before he died. Man, it's clear to see he's not in a good place. I've known a few alcoholics in my life, including my uncle who died as a result of his drinking - this is exactly how he was towards the end. From the awful complexion, to the very deliberate efforts to try and sound 'normal'. It's so sad to see him a shell of the man he once was.
Been listening to the last album from STP "self titled" lately… Man, losing Scott fucking sucks. I grew up in the 90's so it's a no brainer all STP was part of my life. This album though, it's so damn good once you finally digest it. I had high hopes for more STP to come, and it would have, those four are STP, nobody else. Such a great album…..
Can we please stop focusing on his personal issues and judging the way he was his last days? We all have our personal demons and shit we deal with…. You never know when your time comes, how squared away and perfect will your life be? Sorry, just pisses me off...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComxFAagceo Scott's final interview, days before he died. Man, it's clear to see he's not in a good place. I've known a few alcoholics in my life, including my uncle who died as a result of his drinking - this is exactly how he was towards the end. From the awful complexion, to the very deliberate efforts to try and sound 'normal'. It's so sad to see him a shell of the man he once was.
Unfortunately most of those songs we all know and love were born out of his addiction - it's a hell of a sacrifice..........I'd never judge him for being an addict, addiction is absolutely heart breaking to watch from the outside. When STP got back together I had such high hopes, I enjoyed their last album a lot, and I had no doubt they could have reunited even after all the past couple of years' B.S and made more great music.
Scott's death reminds me of how I felt after Amy Winehouse died - it almost feels ridiculous, so cliched, people were saying this would happen for so long, yet I'm sure people said the same about people like Keith Richards and Steven Tyler over the years, and they're still around in their 60's/70's.
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I am a doctor and I see patients with addictions from tobacco to alcohol to heroin. I don't think anything I can possibly say will cure them Nor do I have some magic pill to prescribe. The first step is that the patient has to want to come clean. But that is the hard part because what options do they have? I can ask a social worker to give them resources for quitting. But the onus is still on the patient to go back into the community, scared and alone and maybe use them. Not to mention therapy for mental illness is just extremely limited. Unfortunately, addiction never goes away. I truly believe these addicts want to get clean but sometimes the addiction is too strong to overcome with anything society can really offer.
Thanks for all you gave Scott.
to do. with all I've said and
all that's dead for you,
you lied - good bye
A few years ago i had a chance to see Scott play just north of Dallas. I told my wife we should go because there is no way of nowing how much longer he would be around. Wish i wasn't right about that.
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Sorry for the rant! Just something I'm passionate about!
Make a contribution to MAP, or Al-anon or AA.
Better yet, go volunteer at the local youth center, or for the Big Brothers/Big Sisters and make a difference in the life of a child who needs a positive role model.
Go be a hero yourself, it's easier than you think.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Shame the topless girl screws it up a bit at the end.
the second part of this. The reason I feel partly responsible...as if maybe I didn't care enough about STP. I know that's a bit dramatic. at the same time, maybe if STP had the same kind of fan base as PJ, things would be different.
as far as giving time to help anyone in need.... You are right, that's definitely a step in the right direction. I will keep it mind.
Your argument is sorta weak.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Scott's final interview, days before he died. Man, it's clear to see he's not in a good place. I've known a few alcoholics in my life, including my uncle who died as a result of his drinking - this is exactly how he was towards the end. From the awful complexion, to the very deliberate efforts to try and sound 'normal'. It's so sad to see him a shell of the man he once was.
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Scott's death reminds me of how I felt after Amy Winehouse died - it almost feels ridiculous, so cliched, people were saying this would happen for so long, yet I'm sure people said the same about people like Keith Richards and Steven Tyler over the years, and they're still around in their 60's/70's.