Scott Weiland has passed

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...

I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.

+1

pdalowsky

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...

I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.

bingo.

ikiT

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...

I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.

this...

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...

I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.

+1

Their kids too.

2-feign-reluctance

northerndragon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

hedonist said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Is the Porch turning into the obituaries?

Wow. No. I think the one, two?, threads here are about paying respects and offering sympathy.

Sure hope there's no condescension toward those doing the same for the loss of a fellow member.

Well perhaps we should have a category dedicated to those who are lost.

Perhaps you could rein it in for the two threads dedicated to people who have passed lately. Show some respect for the love, if you know how. Don't like what you see here then go and play in the 12 or so threads about a possible tour or go back to AMT and harass the people there.

Here here.

pjfaninindiana

HughFreakingDillon said:

STP also released a live dvd called Alive In The Windy City. $15 at HMV. I think I'm going to get this now. Scott also released a live cd I didn't know about until today, a 10 track cd called Live In Los Angeles.

That show is awesome! I got the blu ray a month or so ago. Do pick it up if you haven't done so already.

Thoughts_Arrive

dimitrispearljam said:

So sad..R.I.P
http://youtu.be/VY4mqWnBEjg

Amazing.
Shame the topless girl screws it up a bit at the end.

mr bungle

Thoughts_Arrive said:

dimitrispearljam said:

So sad..R.I.P
http://youtu.be/VY4mqWnBEjg

Amazing.
Shame the topless girl screws it up a bit at the end.

great clip! thanks for sharing. And topless girl did not screw anything up.. that was pure beauty

cp3iverson

HughFreakingDillon said:

cp3iverson said:

Very real but also pretty harsh. I dont know. Im sure he was an awful father and thats his loss. Being a dad is the best thing in life. Thats his selfish choices at work. This piece just seems a little self serving at times. Like the wives obviously dont like eachother...

I think it's incredibly honest. she doesn't want anyone to glorify or romanticize addiction like we so often do....look at the Doors movie. that movie just screams "do drugs! drink! it's fun!". but these people are real humans, they have real family and real people who care about them. that's the point of this. and I applaud her for it.

She makes excellent points about parenting and drugs and media culture. Its just that ive heard so much crap about her over the years that im not buying anyones story. It sounds like their situation was still a mess which is sad for the kids. They're the most important thing

vaggar99

Merkin Baller said:

vaggar99 said:

Merkin Baller said:

vaggar99 said:

this is totally fucked. we gotta take better care of our 90's heros

We do?

Edit: if this guy was one of your heroes..... I don't know what to say about that...... He was a great songwriter & performer, but beyond that I don't see all that much to emulate.

Addiction sucks, and is a horrible thing, this guy has been a walking disaster for a long time. At the risk of repeating myself, the only surprising thing to me is that this didn't happen sooner.

Bummer to see another talented artist brought down by drugs, but he's no hero in my book.

actually i was one of those who didn't care much for STP too much. I think I got Purple and Tiny Music in one of those 12 for 1cent Columbia House Deals. I liked the hits, but found most of the other songs to be okay.

Scott Weiland made it. He has a place in rock music history. True, he was never one of my 'heros', but he might have been to some people.

He needed help and never really got it. The fame and the money only enabled him more. And for that, we the public are partly responsible. we financed all the smack and coke that went into Weiland's system.

You're right about the public being partially responsible. People who want to do a better job 'taking care of their '90s heroes' should put their money where their mouth is instead of supporting a functioning addict or worse yet, a record company that exploits functioning addicts.

Make a contribution to MAP, or Al-anon or AA.

Better yet, go volunteer at the local youth center, or for the Big Brothers/Big Sisters and make a difference in the life of a child who needs a positive role model.

Go be a hero yourself, it's easier than you think.

there's the dilemma. Do we stop buying their records? Probably not going to happen.

the second part of this. The reason I feel partly responsible...as if maybe I didn't care enough about STP. I know that's a bit dramatic. at the same time, maybe if STP had the same kind of fan base as PJ, things would be different.

as far as giving time to help anyone in need.... You are right, that's definitely a step in the right direction. I will keep it mind.

TL170678

I get what you are saying but she did not mind taking a million dollars a year from him for child support even though it was making him tour more, and the touring is what drove him to get F`d up. I am sure she was not quiet when he missed a payment or she would not have made it follow him to his death bed in a eulogy.

facepollution

TL170678 said:

I get what you are saying but she did not mind taking a million dollars a year from him for child support even though it was making him tour more, and the touring is what drove him to get F`d up. I am sure she was not quiet when he missed a payment or she would not have made it follow him to his death bed in a eulogy.

To be fair you don't know that as a fact, he struggled with addiction for decades, both on and off the road. I think if you read the article he did for Esquire about his addiction, you really get an understanding of why he found it so hard to remain clean:

You're wondering when you'll be able to feel comfort again, physical comfort even. That's why it's so difficult to kick. Your pleasure receptors are so fried that your brain has no ability to feel any pleasure on its own. You're so depressed. It makes you want to get high.

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/news/a40198/scott-weiland-interview/

ikiT

I have yet to meet an ex wife who was not judgmental and didn't want child support.
Your argument is sorta weak.

TL170678 said:

I would do heroin too if I had to pay my ex 720,000 per year. Geeze.

mickeyrat

TL170678 said:

I get what you are saying but she did not mind taking a million dollars a year from him for child support even though it was making him tour more, and the touring is what drove him to get F`d up. I am sure she was not quiet when he missed a payment or she would not have made it follow him to his death bed in a eulogy.

Am a recovering alky/addict. Touring did not make me use. Nothing in the external did. That shit is just convenient bullshit we all tell ourselves to prevent looking inward.

facepollution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComxFAagceo
Scott's final interview, days before he died. Man, it's clear to see he's not in a good place. I've known a few alcoholics in my life, including my uncle who died as a result of his drinking - this is exactly how he was towards the end. From the awful complexion, to the very deliberate efforts to try and sound 'normal'. It's so sad to see him a shell of the man he once was.

Attaway77

Been listening to the last album from STP "self titled" lately… Man, losing Scott fucking sucks. I grew up in the 90's so it's a no brainer all STP was part of my life. This album though, it's so damn good once you finally digest it. I had high hopes for more STP to come, and it would have, those four are STP, nobody else. Such a great album…..

https://fanart.tv/fanart/music/8c32bb01-58a3-453b-8050-8c0620edb0e5/albumcover/stone-temple-pilots-4ddc6cd8640c8.jpg

Attaway77

Can we please stop focusing on his personal issues and judging the way he was his last days? We all have our personal demons and shit we deal with…. You never know when your time comes, how squared away and perfect will your life be? Sorry, just pisses me off...

FrankY59

facepollution said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ComxFAagceo
Scott's final interview, days before he died. Man, it's clear to see he's not in a good place. I've known a few alcoholics in my life, including my uncle who died as a result of his drinking - this is exactly how he was towards the end. From the awful complexion, to the very deliberate efforts to try and sound 'normal'. It's so sad to see him a shell of the man he once was.

Sad.

facepollution

Unfortunately most of those songs we all know and love were born out of his addiction - it's a hell of a sacrifice..........I'd never judge him for being an addict, addiction is absolutely heart breaking to watch from the outside. When STP got back together I had such high hopes, I enjoyed their last album a lot, and I had no doubt they could have reunited even after all the past couple of years' B.S and made more great music.

Scott's death reminds me of how I felt after Amy Winehouse died - it almost feels ridiculous, so cliched, people were saying this would happen for so long, yet I'm sure people said the same about people like Keith Richards and Steven Tyler over the years, and they're still around in their 60's/70's.

cp3iverson

Just rediscovered how much i loved ShangriLadeda