I guess the landlord of the killers let the media in their apartment and they are having a media orgy right now and going through whatever they can get their hands on ... in an active crime scene!
Unbelievable ....
Do we know that it's still an active crime scene? Someone just showed me that, and I find it hard to believe that they would be doing that if it were. The police already went through the whole place, so it's quite possible that they were done with it. The crime wasn't actually committed there, so....
The "journalists" paid the landlord $1000 to let them in
And the police stated it isn't cleared. I doubt it would be cleared for months from now.
Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?
He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.
If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....
I guarantee I can call more people friends combined in all of those groups of humans than you. I can give 2 Jose's that you don't like me, but lets try to keep it on point on what is really happening in this country w/ these radical Islamic terrorists.
Yeah ok , what kind of cop are you again ?
The kind that acknowledges TERRORISM when he see's it.
So the dude who shot up the planned parenthood facility is a terrorist no ? You see terrorist are not only the brown middle eastern dudes they also come in white pale skin ...
Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?
He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.
If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....
I guarantee I can call more people friends combined in all of those groups of humans than you. I can give 2 Jose's that you don't like me, but lets try to keep it on point on what is really happening in this country w/ these radical Islamic terrorists.
Yeah ok , what kind of cop are you again ?
The kind that acknowledges TERRORISM when he see's it.
So the dude who shot up the planned parenthood facility is a terrorist no ? You see terrorist are not only the brown middle eastern dudes they also come in white pale skin ...
I am not sure that he is. It would depend on what definition of terrorism you are using. It has nothing to do with his skin colour. Was he committing an atrocity to advance a specific agenda in affiliation with some group or agency? He hasn't really left a manifesto of any kind. The unibomber, Tim McVeigh would be white terrorists in my mind but this planned parenthood guy I am not so sure....yet.
The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.
It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack. cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/
When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
Shouldn't stopping all the other, far more common forms gun violence, be the right thing to do, too? And if not, why not, since they affect far greater numbers of people?
Yes. Of course. We can do both.
We could, but not by focusing all the attention of the "radical islamic terror" aspect of these incidents.
Of course but we shouldn't avoid the radical islamic terror portion of it also. That is my whole point which is getting lost in the weeds. Some just want to label it straight -up gun violence and look away from the wider war on terror issues.
This is not just a crazy with a gun.(again)This was an act of terrorism in support of the twisted views of radicalized Muslim wackos.They had a fucking bomb lab,and multiple explosive devices.They wanted more bloodshed.Totally sad all the way around
You guys are right, we do have to recognize that radical Islamic terrorism is a problem that needs dealt with, and I think it is being treated with appropriate gravity at all the levels it needs to be... The problem is that conservative rhetoric pushes it too far, it is pushed into the realm of Islamophobia, which doesn't produce safety, it produces anti-Muslim violence. That is why you have liberals who resist bold speech about the subject. Mosques are being threatened and vandalized again, though not yet to the severity of the post 9\11 days. If you guys think that the constant rantings about radical Islam from conservative sources isn't a direct contributor to that sort of bigotry, you are just out of touch with what is happening in the conservative circles that are beneath you in class and intelligence.
I don't disagree with this at all but when I bring up the same point that some BDS speech results in the targeting of Jews I am told exactly the opposite.
The obvious difference being - ISIS advocates violence while the BDS movement is solely focused on non-violent means of activism. Israel's apologists will not tolerate any resistance whatsoever to their occupation and land grabs, so they do what they can to paint all resistors as extremists who foment violence. By your logic, you are culpable for the deaths of thousands of peaceful muslims due to your posts on this forum.
Yes but ISIS and BDS are two circles of a Venn diagram and there are segments which overlap. Without getting into another argument about BDS words like "apartheid" and "war crimes" which you think our justified to promote a boycott groups like ISIS use those same words to justify violence towards anyone who supports Israel. That is the dangerous line which does not even come close to my criticisms of radical Islam. Myself and others go out of our way to say radical Islam is a very small yet real subsection of the muslim population whereas BDS is heavily polluted with anti-semitic talk that is given a pass by the non-anti-semitic members.
Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?
He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.
If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....
I guarantee I can call more people friends combined in all of those groups of humans than you. I can give 2 Jose's that you don't like me, but lets try to keep it on point on what is really happening in this country w/ these radical Islamic terrorists.
Yeah ok , what kind of cop are you again ?
The kind that acknowledges TERRORISM when he see's it.
So the dude who shot up the planned parenthood facility is a terrorist no ? You see terrorist are not only the brown middle eastern dudes they also come in white pale skin ...
I am not sure that he is. It would depend on what definition of terrorism you are using. It has nothing to do with his skin colour. Was he committing an atrocity to advance a specific agenda in affiliation with some group or agency? He hasn't really left a manifesto of any kind. The unibomber, Tim McVeigh would be white terrorists in my mind but this planned parenthood guy I am not so sure....yet.
I'd say he is a terrorist he instilled fear terror in that center by his actions but what do I know ...
I guess the landlord of the killers let the media in their apartment and they are having a media orgy right now and going through whatever they can get their hands on ... in an active crime scene!
Unbelievable ....
Do we know that it's still an active crime scene? Someone just showed me that, and I find it hard to believe that they would be doing that if it were. The police already went through the whole place, so it's quite possible that they were done with it. The crime wasn't actually committed there, so....
The "journalists" paid the landlord $1000 to let them in
And the police stated it isn't cleared. I doubt it would be cleared for months from now.
Okay, so is that even legal??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?
He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.
If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....
I guarantee I can call more people friends combined in all of those groups of humans than you. I can give 2 Jose's that you don't like me, but lets try to keep it on point on what is really happening in this country w/ these radical Islamic terrorists.
Yeah ok , what kind of cop are you again ?
The kind that acknowledges TERRORISM when he see's it.
So the dude who shot up the planned parenthood facility is a terrorist no ? You see terrorist are not only the brown middle eastern dudes they also come in white pale skin ...
I am not sure that he is. It would depend on what definition of terrorism you are using. It has nothing to do with his skin colour. Was he committing an atrocity to advance a specific agenda in affiliation with some group or agency? He hasn't really left a manifesto of any kind. The unibomber, Tim McVeigh would be white terrorists in my mind but this planned parenthood guy I am not so sure....yet.
I'd say he is a terrorist he instilled fear terror in that center by his actions but what do I know ...
I would agree that it would be domestic terrorism unless it was personal in nature (i.e., the victim was a friend or family member). That would be the same argument as those saying San Bernardino was a workplace attack versus terror attack before all the facts came out. Certainly there is a fringe that would support violence against PP. It isn't as prevalent or as worldwide as Islamic fundamentalist terror but exists.
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
When people or families end up with billions and billions there is a problem. To me, nobody's time or ideas are worth that much. I would love to spread the wealth to the worker class, but it is a slippery slope though between capitalism and the negatives of socialism. There is a disconnect for sure though between the have's and have not's.
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
Cheers!
Sipping Chardonnay again? Or going cosmos tonight?
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
Cheers!
Sipping Chardonnay again? Or going cosmos tonight?
The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.
It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack. cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/
When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
Shouldn't stopping all the other, far more common forms gun violence, be the right thing to do, too? And if not, why not, since they affect far greater numbers of people?
Yes. Of course. We can do both.
You're opposed to gun control even though countries with fewer firearms and more firearms restrictions have far fewer gun-related homicides yet you have no problem with profiling Muslims to prevent terrorism despite the fact that terrorist attacks are generally a rare occurrence. That's quite the double standard!
Who said I am opposed to gun control? Who said I am for profiling Muslims? Are we reading between the lines again? It is amazing how emotion gets the best of so many of you. Solutions should be based on unemotional look at the data and in the US the data does not back you up. I already linked to a Washington Post article detailing this and here is another link that summarizes it:
Gun ownership in the US is up but gun violence as a whole is down. Mass shootings are definitely up but not everywhere. We need to ask ourselves why without knee jerk responses and without accusing people of being against gun control. Every incident has it's own specific causes and you cannot treat them all the same. This case is due radical Islamism and should and it is my belief that there is not a single gun law you could pass that would have prevented it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look at gun laws for other reasons but in the case it is a whole different ball game. These are not all the same.
Ah, yes. The source that lied about Sherrod. Very trustworthy. Cue classic one word quote from Wayne's World!
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
Cheers!
Sipping Chardonnay again? Or going cosmos tonight?
Hey Scruffy it's a good day to do so. Hahaha.
Of hell yeah my friend! I m about to sip some vino while eating some ravioli s. Then I m gonna start my anti biotics; gotta get one last glass in before ten days of meds. Callen, we should somehow meet in the middle on this topic and tour the country with our proposals.
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
Cheers!
Sipping Chardonnay again? Or going cosmos tonight?
Hey Scruffy it's a good day to do so. Hahaha.
Of hell yeah my friend! I m about to sip some vino while eating some ravioli s. Then I m gonna start my anti biotics; gotta get one last glass in before ten days of meds. Callen, we should somehow meet in the middle on this topic and tour the country with our proposals.
There's been some great debating on this board last few days.
What is the motive for these shootings? Looks like this was perhaps not directly ISIS related. (And it's worth noting there is still a lot of speculation regarding motive.) My guess would be that the motive ultimately is a tragic end result of Islamophobia. Segregate and show bias against any one one group long and hard enough and bomb their homeland often enough and sure enough, someone is going off the deep end and do something terrible. I'm NOT condoning these acts, of course, just saying maybe we should look at why this kind of thing happens in the first place.
"A law enforcement official said it appeared that Wednesday's attack -- which left 14 people dead and 21 wounded before the two attackers, Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, were killed in a shootout with police -- may have been inspired by ISIS. But none of the officials said that ISIS directed or ordered the attack. "This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," a law enforcement official said."
What is the motive for these shootings? Looks like this was perhaps not directly ISIS related. (And it's worth noting there is still a lot of speculation regarding motive.) My guess would be that the motive ultimately is a tragic end result of Islamophobia. Segregate and show bias against any one one group long and hard enough and bomb their homeland often enough and sure enough, someone is going off the deep end and do something terrible. I'm NOT condoning these acts, of course, just saying maybe we should look at why this kind of thing happens in the first place.
"A law enforcement official said it appeared that Wednesday's attack -- which left 14 people dead and 21 wounded before the two attackers, Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, were killed in a shootout with police -- may have been inspired by ISIS. But none of the officials said that ISIS directed or ordered the attack. "This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," a law enforcement official said."
So explain to me again how the ISIS kind of radical islamic ideology is not a motive when the bitch pledged her allegiance to them during the event? That seems to me to be the exact definition of motive. Radical Islamic ideology (kill kill kill) was a fundamental motive whether she was directly attached to ISIS or not.
Ok, well let's see, first of all I didn't explain anything to you so there's nothing to explain again.
Secondly, there is a difference between an ISIS sponsored/sanctioned attack and an ISIS like or motivated attack but maybe you didn't read that closely.
Thirdly, I'm not sure why you are attacking my post. I made no claims to know what the motive was. But maybe you just like arguing/berating rather than discussing. Good luck with that.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
Cheers!
Sipping Chardonnay again? Or going cosmos tonight?
Hey Scruffy it's a good day to do so. Hahaha.
Of hell yeah my friend! I m about to sip some vino while eating some ravioli s. Then I m gonna start my anti biotics; gotta get one last glass in before ten days of meds. Callen, we should somehow meet in the middle on this topic and tour the country with our proposals.
There's been some great debating on this board last few days.
When you look at the roughly 30,000 annual gun deaths in the US and realize that 20,000 of them are suicides, you begin to see that suicide is a huge problem. Let's deal with that.
Of the remaining 10,000, that number includes justifiable self-defense shootings by civilians and police, gang-related shootings and accidents.
If we can take care of the suicide and gang problem here, our gun death figures would be much more in line with the rest of the world.
I thought the 'remainder' was more along the lines of 16,000 per year?
And don't forget... some of those justifiable self defense shootings are suspect to say the least (Trayvon Martin for example).
Hey man, I said "roughly". LOL!
How about this?: Roughly 2/3 of annual gun-related deaths in the US are suicides.
A problem for sure.
Honestly, I feel like a broken record saying it too, capitalism has the potential to suck the soul out of society. Not only does it drive foul international policy, but it buries people domestically.
I support it in modified fashion, but left unchecked... it's ruthless. You wonder why people feel detached and hopeless... look no further than the opportunity they are provided.
Sweet writing Thirty.
Cheers!
Sipping Chardonnay again? Or going cosmos tonight?
Hey Scruffy it's a good day to do so. Hahaha.
Of hell yeah my friend! I m about to sip some vino while eating some ravioli s. Then I m gonna start my anti biotics; gotta get one last glass in before ten days of meds. Callen, we should somehow meet in the middle on this topic and tour the country with our proposals.
There's been some great debating on this board last few days.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
Did anyone else have Heineken ads pop up when scrolling through the victim's names and short bios? I always want to read about the victims because it helps put a face on tragedies like this. It reminds me that these men and women have families who deserve the utmost sympathy. I can't help but feel that it is incredibly crass and tasteless to stick in beer ads in with those photos. Then again, this is CBS.
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The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.
It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack. cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/
When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
Shouldn't stopping all the other, far more common forms gun violence, be the right thing to do, too? And if not, why not, since they affect far greater numbers of people?
Yes. Of course. We can do both.
You're opposed to gun control even though countries with fewer firearms and more firearms restrictions have far fewer gun-related homicides yet you have no problem with profiling Muslims to prevent terrorism despite the fact that terrorist attacks are generally a rare occurrence. That's quite the double standard!
Who said I am opposed to gun control? Who said I am for profiling Muslims? Are we reading between the lines again? It is amazing how emotion gets the best of so many of you. Solutions should be based on unemotional look at the data and in the US the data does not back you up. I already linked to a Washington Post article detailing this and here is another link that summarizes it:
Gun ownership in the US is up but gun violence as a whole is down. Mass shootings are definitely up but not everywhere. We need to ask ourselves why without knee jerk responses and without accusing people of being against gun control. Every incident has it's own specific causes and you cannot treat them all the same. This case is due radical Islamism and should and it is my belief that there is not a single gun law you could pass that would have prevented it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look at gun laws for other reasons but in the case it is a whole different ball game. These are not all the same.
Ah, yes. The source that lied about Sherrod. Very trustworthy. Cue classic one word quote from Wayne's World!
I would argue it's not the radicalization of Islam but rather the more directed Radical Politicization of Islam that is the problem. Same as you see here to a lesser internal dynamic with the radical Politicization of Christianity or Judiaism in Israel.
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Good article related to what many peolle csll irresponsible "journalism ".
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I still can't believe that they just stormed into that home. Can't all those that did this to an active crime scene be arrested? Seriously?
Arrest everyone of those camera people and reporters and hit them hard.
Just plain stupid.
FBI was done so they say and boarded it up , at that point they have no say. Landlord might face some kind of civil suit if the family chooses to pursue. As the unit still technically was a private residence of the daughter, they just cant allow entry.
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I still can't believe that they just stormed into that home. Can't all those that did this to an active crime scene be arrested? Seriously?
Arrest everyone of those camera people and reporters and hit them hard.
Just plain stupid.
The FBI released the apartment to the landlord. Idiot journalists nonetheless.
There you go. That's wat I asked in the first place. If this was no longer an active crime scene, then who gives a shit?? What are people disturbed about? The violation of the privacy of the mass murderers???? I mean, I understand that the kind of low-brow and crass scrambling of the reporters was rather off-putting, but it's hardly shocking.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,283
I still can't believe that they just stormed into that home. Can't all those that did this to an active crime scene be arrested? Seriously?
Arrest everyone of those camera people and reporters and hit them hard.
Just plain stupid.
The FBI released the apartment to the landlord. Idiot journalists nonetheless.
There you go. That's wat I asked in the first place. If this was no longer an active crime scene, then who gives a shit?? What are people disturbed about? The violation of the privacy of the mass murderers???? I mean, I understand that the kind of low-brow and crass scrambling of the reporters was rather off-putting, but it's hardly shocking.
this action by all these reporters particularly the TV folks was irresponsible for live coverage. There was no chance for selective proper editing, no context , and other responsible journalism.
Its not so much that they were there, as they have been on crime scenes before , but this seems unprecedented. Really speaks to the idea that truth is secondary to the "scoop" . news shouldnt be a for profit enterprise.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I still can't believe that they just stormed into that home. Can't all those that did this to an active crime scene be arrested? Seriously?
Arrest everyone of those camera people and reporters and hit them hard.
Just plain stupid.
The FBI released the apartment to the landlord. Idiot journalists nonetheless.
There you go. That's wat I asked in the first place. If this was no longer an active crime scene, then who gives a shit?? What are people disturbed about? The violation of the privacy of the mass murderers???? I mean, I understand that the kind of low-brow and crass scrambling of the reporters was rather off-putting, but it's hardly shocking.
this action by all these reporters particularly the TV folks was irresponsible for live coverage. There was no chance for selective proper editing, no context , and other responsible journalism.
Its not so much that they were there, as they have been on crime scenes before , but this seems unprecedented. Really speaks to the idea that truth is secondary to the "scoop" . news shouldnt be a for profit enterprise.
I'm not sure I'm following. I don't see how live camera footage of that can be better after editing and being put into someone's context. To me that is where the media's manipulation and bias and spin would come in. Raw camera footage is what it is.
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But loved when the reporter looks at the calendar, as though something interesting would be on it, like the cops would have left it there if there had been. I was watching it with someone at work, and we had a morbid laugh coming up with all the possibilities of what the jounalists thought might be on there. Big red circles around days, etc.
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And the police stated it isn't cleared. I doubt it would be cleared for months from now.
Callen, we should somehow meet in the middle on this topic and tour the country with our proposals.
Secondly, there is a difference between an ISIS sponsored/sanctioned attack and an ISIS like or motivated attack but maybe you didn't read that closely.
Thirdly, I'm not sure why you are attacking my post. I made no claims to know what the motive was. But maybe you just like arguing/berating rather than discussing. Good luck with that.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-bernardino-shooting-syed-rizwan-farook-sister-saira-khan-speaks-out-disbelief/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17&ref=yfp
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Arrest everyone of those camera people and reporters and hit them hard.
Just plain stupid.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Its not so much that they were there, as they have been on crime scenes before , but this seems unprecedented. Really speaks to the idea that truth is secondary to the "scoop" . news shouldnt be a for profit enterprise.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14