San Bernardino Shootings Kill 14

brianlux

dignin said:

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845166/islamophobia-san-bernardino-shooting

The ugly Islamophobia in the media coverage of the San Bernardino shooting

More true colours.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

And she probably never would have done it if it hadn't been for her American-born husband. She was probably totally normal before she came to America and got all fucked up!

Yah. She's awesome. It's all the American's fault.

Is this what you're saying? Seems like it (reading between the lines that is seemingly acceptable for the moment).

Leezestarr313

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

I came to the US on a k-1 visa. This is not an easy process, I can tell you. It takes a long time and lots of effort and money and people from "suspicious" areas are weeded out and given a hard time. This process is as tough as it is because of people who want to come to America because of false pretend. They lure a person into marriage and then just up and leave. It is not that easy to stay here legally. The visa process is tough. And it costs money. The fact that they had a baby leads me to think that they might have been "normal" people until they were somehow lured into the radical shit, just like it could have happened to any other bored American teenager who is inclined. I guess what I want to say is that the immigration process is tough already. She seems to have entered two years ago. Much can happen to a person in two years.

muskydan

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

josevolution said:

muskydan said:

Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?

He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....

Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.

If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.

How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....

I guarantee I can call more people friends combined in all of those groups of humans than you. I can give 2 Jose's that you don't like me, but lets try to keep it on point on what is really happening in this country w/ these radical Islamic terrorists.

BS44325

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

And she probably never would have done it if it hadn't been for her American-born husband. She was probably totally normal before she came to America and got all fucked up!

Yah. She's awesome. It's all the American's fault.

Is this what you're saying? Seems like it (reading between the lines that is seemingly acceptable for the moment).

It was a tongue in cheek comment (certainly not about her being awesome, obviously). I have no clue what she was up to before she married an American and moved to California. All I know is that thst's what she did and then went with him and helped killed his co-workers. It's pretty safe to assume the American man was the leader here.

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.

BS44325

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.

This is the diatribe of a man losing an argument. I ask you for the last time...what law should be passed to reduce "the unfettered access to firearms in your country"?

I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.

PJfanwillneverleave1

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Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.

This is the diatribe of a man losing an argument. I ask you for the last time...what law should be passed to reduce "the unfettered access to firearms in your country"?

I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.

Because my life revolves around your fucking question? What a fucking thought. Are you going to flunk me, professor?

Leezestarr313

Gah. No. I wanna stay out of this.
I hope everyone has a good night.

BS44325

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.

This is the diatribe of a man losing an argument. I ask you for the last time...what law should be passed to reduce "the unfettered access to firearms in your country"?

I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.

Because my life revolves around your fucking question? What a fucking thought. Are you going to flunk me, professor?

Well I guess if you don't turn in your assignment I'll have to.

Halifax2TheMax

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

BS, care to respond? I happen to agree with this. Can you explain why you don't?

BS44325

Halifax2TheMax said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

BS, care to respond? I happen to agree with this. Can you explain why you don't?

I did respond and I didn't disagree. Go back a page.

oftenreading

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

Shouldn't stopping all the other, far more common forms gun violence, be the right thing to do, too? And if not, why not, since they affect far greater numbers of people?

BS44325

oftenreading said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?

I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.

Shouldn't stopping all the other, far more common forms gun violence, be the right thing to do, too? And if not, why not, since they affect far greater numbers of people?

Yes. Of course. We can do both.

PP193448

Wonder how many of these crazy fuckers who shoot people played with fake guns as children or played PS or Xbox shoot em up video games... Wonder if all those sensational murder/war games help create more peaceful respectful law biding individuals??? Have you seen some of these crazy games?? Holy shit...why the hell would you ever let your kids play that stuff.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PP193448 said:

Wonder how many of these crazy fuckers who shoot people played with fake guns as children or played PS or Xbox shoot em up video games... Wonder if all those sensational murder/war games help create more peaceful respectful law biding individuals??? Have you seen some of these crazy games?? Holy shit...why the hell would you ever let your kids play that stuff.

They are a hell of a lot safer than cult experiences.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PP193448 said:

Wonder how many of these crazy fuckers who shoot people played with fake guns as children or played PS or Xbox shoot em up video games... Wonder if all those sensational murder/war games help create more peaceful respectful law biding individuals??? Have you seen some of these crazy games?? Holy shit...why the hell would you ever let your kids play that stuff.

I get what your saying.
There is no doubt Americans go big or go home.
Their movie industry simply is a model the world has to follow in order to be screened.
Video games are no longer super Mario stomping on a mushroom.
It is hard to put a finger on why the violent culture is portrayed so much in American movies and games yet we oppose it everywhere else.
America spits these movies and games out like candy.
The rest of the world is not liking the take.

RKCNDY

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

And she probably never would have done it if it hadn't been for her American-born husband. She was probably totally normal before she came to America and got all fucked up!

Yah. She's awesome. It's all the American's fault.

Is this what you're saying? Seems like it (reading between the lines that is seemingly acceptable for the moment).

It was a tongue in cheek comment (certainly not about her being awesome, obviously). I have no clue what she was up to before she married an American and moved to California. All I know is that thst's what she did and then went with him and helped killed his co-workers. It's pretty safe to assume the American man was the leader here.

why the American? His co-workers said he was quiet and never started conversations but was well liked. Perhaps he didn't feel included-can we say outcast? So he goes and finds a lady on the internet...are there not any appropriate females here in the US? So she shows him love and adoration, he is smitten, but she has another agenda because secretly she is anti-American. He brings her here, she has him under her spell and he will do anything for her because for the first time in his life someone makes him feel accepted and loved.

i'm playing devil's advocate here...just looking at all sides.