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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Props to the the guy who heads the local Muslim CAIR center out there.He was all over the news calling this guy out and denouncing his actions.I think more of that will help with hater types.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.
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    Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,653
    edited December 2015
    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    Your solution?

    Perhaps it if were not so easy for potential terrorists to get guns...
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    Your solution?

    Perhaps it if were not so easy for potential terrorists to get guns...
    Agreed. It should not be so easy for them to get here and it should not be so easy for them to get guns.
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    So one post in your view makes a movement to take guns away from law abiding citizens? Without a chorus of support or a link or quote from the "anti-gun" crowd advocating for it? Who's coming for the guns after Obama leaves office?

    Please enlighten me on what laws Oh Canada has in the books regarding firearms and please don't bring up the long gun registry. What's the difference up there? Is it ideology? Better mental health care? Less guns? Ingrained politeness?
    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    Takes one to know one with your, "take guns away from law abiding citizens" comment. I'm still waiting for a link to just one post that posited what you claim us anti-gunners want.
    Here's one post by ident on the thread praising your research:

    "I've never been made so sad by looking at a thread list as I just have.

    What the fuck.


    Take the guns away. Take the bullets away. At this point I don't think it matters anymore."


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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited December 2015

    So one post in your view makes a movement to take guns away from law abiding citizens? Without a chorus of support or a link or quote from the "anti-gun" crowd advocating for it? Who's coming for the guns after Obama leaves office?

    Please enlighten me on what laws Oh Canada has in the books regarding firearms and please don't bring up the long gun registry. What's the difference up there? Is it ideology? Better mental health care? Less guns? Ingrained politeness?

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    Takes one to know one with your, "take guns away from law abiding citizens" comment. I'm still waiting for a link to just one post that posited what you claim us anti-gunners want.
    Here's one post by ident on the thread praising your research:

    "I've never been made so sad by looking at a thread list as I just have.

    What the fuck.


    Take the guns away. Take the bullets away. At this point I don't think it matters anymore."


    You asked for one post so I gave you one post. Keep dodging my question about the sensible laws you are advocating for. It is obvious you have none. Don't rage against the machine if you have no proposals of your own.

    As far as Canada...the concept of "ingrained politeness" was probably sarcasm but it is closer to the mark then you think. Our two countries are the outcome of different responses to our previous British lords. Americans formed a resistance against tyranny where every settler had to be come a soldier. Canadians pledged their loyalty to the King and gave up many right for his majesties protection. This difference has defined our cultures. Americans are independent minded people who rely on themselves. Canadians on the other hand have for the most part relied on government to care of them.
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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013
    Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?
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    BS44325 said:

    So one post in your view makes a movement to take guns away from law abiding citizens? Without a chorus of support or a link or quote from the "anti-gun" crowd advocating for it? Who's coming for the guns after Obama leaves office?

    Please enlighten me on what laws Oh Canada has in the books regarding firearms and please don't bring up the long gun registry. What's the difference up there? Is it ideology? Better mental health care? Less guns? Ingrained politeness?

    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    Takes one to know one with your, "take guns away from law abiding citizens" comment. I'm still waiting for a link to just one post that posited what you claim us anti-gunners want.
    Here's one post by ident on the thread praising your research:

    "I've never been made so sad by looking at a thread list as I just have.

    What the fuck.


    Take the guns away. Take the bullets away. At this point I don't think it matters anymore."


    You asked for one post so I gave you one post. Keep dodging my question about the sensible laws you are advocating for. It is obvious you have none. Don't rage against the machine if you have no proposals of your own.

    As far as Canada...the concept of "ingrained politeness" was probably sarcasm but it is closer to the mark then you think. Our two countries are the outcome of different responses to our previous British lords. Americans formed a resistance against tyranny where every settler had to be come a soldier. Canadians pledged their loyalty to the King and gave up many right for his majesties protection. This difference has defined our cultures. Americans are independent minded people who rely on themselves. Canadians on the other hand have for the most part relied on government to care of them.
    In due time, in due time. When are you relocating to the US? But why the reluctance to share Canadian law as it relates to firearms with us? Maybe you Oh Canadians have the answer and don't want to share? Not very polite of you.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,037

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    Your solution?

    Perhaps it if were not so easy for potential terrorists to get guns...
    Or pipes
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,448
    edited December 2015
    muskydan said:

    Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?

    He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    Odds are they would have left the remote control car in the driveway and it would have been run over accidently by their parent...that's usually what happens to those killing devices.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,936
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    Yes, there has BS. Read between the lines.

    Tantrums don't happen when a post is thought out and "preview" button is hit. Don't like my opinions? Fine, call it a tantrum if you must... but, really? As Kurt Vonnegut used to say, "Hi ho!"

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    dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPRO Posts: 139,459
    its crazy..i post this down about this shooting..in another shooting thread,,
    its crazy to think how many are ther last years,,,

    "there is no cure in this anymore..
    life doesnt mean anything and insstead something to change with that fuckin guns,people lifes become statistics at the news.."
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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    muskydan said:

    Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?

    He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
    Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.

    If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,448
    muskydan said:

    muskydan said:

    Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?

    He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
    Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.

    If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
    How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nice job with the jumping to conclusions/Muslim hate things in some of the posts here so far. Let's just round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck and be done with it.

    There has been no Muslim hate posts or any suggestion to "round all them fuckers up and hang 'em by the neck". That is the kind of straw man tantrum a person throws in order to avoid a discussion of uncomfortable facts. Sad.
    Yes, there has BS. Read between the lines.

    Tantrums don't happen when a post is thought out and "preview" button is hit. Don't like my opinions? Fine, call it a tantrum if you must... but, really? As Kurt Vonnegut used to say, "Hi ho!"

    I see so there are no actual Muslim hate posts but they are there if we just read between the lines. Gotcha. My apologies.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,747
    edited December 2015
    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    And she probably never would have done it if it hadn't been for her American-born husband. She was probably totally normal before she came to America and got all fucked up!
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    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
    cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

    When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
    http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845166/islamophobia-san-bernardino-shooting

    The ugly Islamophobia in the media coverage of the San Bernardino shooting
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,936
    dignin said:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845166/islamophobia-san-bernardino-shooting

    The ugly Islamophobia in the media coverage of the San Bernardino shooting

    More true colours.
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    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    And she probably never would have done it if it hadn't been for her American-born husband. She was probably totally normal before she came to America and got all fucked up!
    Yah. She's awesome. It's all the American's fault.

    Is this what you're saying? Seems like it (reading between the lines that is seemingly acceptable for the moment).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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    Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,347
    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    I came to the US on a k-1 visa. This is not an easy process, I can tell you. It takes a long time and lots of effort and money and people from "suspicious" areas are weeded out and given a hard time. This process is as tough as it is because of people who want to come to America because of false pretend. They lure a person into marriage and then just up and leave. It is not that easy to stay here legally. The visa process is tough. And it costs money. The fact that they had a baby leads me to think that they might have been "normal" people until they were somehow lured into the radical shit, just like it could have happened to any other bored American teenager who is inclined. I guess what I want to say is that the immigration process is tough already. She seems to have entered two years ago. Much can happen to a person in two years.

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    muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    muskydan said:

    muskydan said:

    Has Obummer made a statement yet now that we know these "gun nuts" were radical Muslims?

    He said he agrees with you and all the muslimhaters they all need to be deported or jailed and that any cops under scrutiny will be pardon ...so your boy who pumped 16 bullets into the 17 yr old will get another desk job with a raise ....
    Holy crap!!! I sure hope you don't own any guns. If you are going to throw shots at me personally , atleast know what you are talking about.

    If he has said something, I must have missed it being at work all day. I look forward to hearing how Obummer is going 2 spin this one.
    How am i taking shots at you ? and no i don't own a gun or any weapon unless the kitchen knives count ....Oh wait i must of mistaking you for someone else who hates the muslims , spanish, blacks , gays , liberals am i forgetting any groups .....
    I guarantee I can call more people friends combined in all of those groups of humans than you. I can give 2 Jose's that you don't like me, but lets try to keep it on point on what is really happening in this country w/ these radical Islamic terrorists.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
    cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

    When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
    I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,747

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    And she probably never would have done it if it hadn't been for her American-born husband. She was probably totally normal before she came to America and got all fucked up!
    Yah. She's awesome. It's all the American's fault.

    Is this what you're saying? Seems like it (reading between the lines that is seemingly acceptable for the moment).
    It was a tongue in cheek comment (certainly not about her being awesome, obviously). I have no clue what she was up to before she married an American and moved to California. All I know is that thst's what she did and then went with him and helped killed his co-workers. It's pretty safe to assume the American man was the leader here.
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    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
    cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

    When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
    I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
    Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.
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    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
    cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

    When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
    I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
    Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.
    This is the diatribe of a man losing an argument. I ask you for the last time...what law should be passed to reduce "the unfettered access to firearms in your country"?

    I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.
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    BS44325 said:


    BS44325 said:

    BS44325 said:

    The wife (second shooter) Tashfeen Malik had Pakistani passport and was in the US on a K-1 visa. She was fully vetted and yet this happened. More evidence that the verification system is broken.

    It is inevitable that in any system that a few criminals will pass through. Pretending that this is a common event is absurd. Of the tens of thousands of gun related homicides that occur in the US each year, how many of them are actually tied to Islamic fundamentalism? Personally I'd be far more fearful of the everyday gun owner than of the ISIS terrorist whom I'm far less likely to ever encounter. Whether you choose to believe it or not, you're more likely to be killed by a gun toting neighbour than dying in a random terrorist attack.
    cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/

    When you are over 100 times more likely to be killed by a random act of gun violence than by a terrorist you have to ask yourself. 'what are you really afraid of'?
    I don't think the families of those fourteen dead americans are interested in how common or uncommon these types of attacks are. We should be trying to stop acts of radical islamic terror not because it is common or out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. This is not something we should have to accept as just being part of life.
    Your singular agenda is grotesque. What shouldn't be "accepted as just part of life," is the unfettered access to firearms in MY country and the resulting carnage day in and day out. You truly are warped. Of all the mass shootings in the US in the past 30 years, what percentage were committed by Muslim extremists? And despite someone posting evidence as such, your focus is on the less than 1%! You're part of the fucking problem from your perch of safety in Oh Canada. You have no business lecturing US about radical Islam or gun control or the lack thereof! Come down of your high horse and stop looking down your fucking nose. Still waiting for the Oh Canada law links, professor.
    This is the diatribe of a man losing an argument. I ask you for the last time...what law should be passed to reduce "the unfettered access to firearms in your country"?

    I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.
    Because my life revolves around your fucking question? What a fucking thought. Are you going to flunk me, professor?
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