Bernie Sanders for President

Gern Blansten

usamamasan1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

dignin said:

Gern Blansten said:

usamamasan1 = troll

I bet he feels the Bern

I think it's fair to post unfavorable memes about Bernie here. We sure do it in the Trump thread.

I do to...but he's trolling

Bully

YOU ARE!

usamamasan1

Sanders’ Secret Service code name is “Intrepid.”

callen

Jason P said:

I think Bernie would lose the entire south and midwest, with the exception of Illinois and maybe Michigan after the super PAC commercial campaign paints him as a socialist non-christian.

Yeah the non Christian thing will bite him. It is though so refreshing to have a candidate that's not praising mythical gods.

PJ_Soul

callen said:

Jason P said:

I think Bernie would lose the entire south and midwest, with the exception of Illinois and maybe Michigan after the super PAC commercial campaign paints him as a socialist non-christian.

Yeah the non Christian thing will bite him. It is though so refreshing to have a candidate that's not praising mythical gods.

..... So Americans really are that racist towards secular Jews?? Really?

JimmyV

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Jason P said:

I think Bernie would lose the entire south and midwest, with the exception of Illinois and maybe Michigan after the super PAC commercial campaign paints him as a socialist non-christian.

Yeah the non Christian thing will bite him. It is though so refreshing to have a candidate that's not praising mythical gods.

..... So Americans really are that racist towards secular Jews?? Really?

The Socialist aspect (Democratic or otherwise, it won't matter) will be a bigger detriment than his Judaism. That won't fly in many places.

rgambs

usamamasan1 said:

Sanders’ Secret Service code name is “Intrepid.”

That's a pretty sweet codename...I am surprised you posted that, is it a typo or are you misunderstanding?

rr165892

Gern,Mamasan is
a. Not trolling and entitled to a counter view,like myself who also isn't trolling.
b.Putting up some funny and interesting pics.What you think Utopia will be free?
C. Is Female.Cant you Libs read.lol

Free,don't hold back.You got something to say,say it.Its all good.Im a big boy,nothing needs to be edited.

And The thing I do really like about Bernie is he isn't a bible thumper and would be the first Jewish Pres.But I can't get past his nonsense policy.

PJ_Soul

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Jason P said:

I think Bernie would lose the entire south and midwest, with the exception of Illinois and maybe Michigan after the super PAC commercial campaign paints him as a socialist non-christian.

Yeah the non Christian thing will bite him. It is though so refreshing to have a candidate that's not praising mythical gods.

..... So Americans really are that racist towards secular Jews?? Really?

The Socialist aspect (Democratic or otherwise, it won't matter) will be a bigger detriment than his Judaism. That won't fly in many places.

I understand that a lot of Americans are illogically and ignorantly scared of the word "Socialism" even when it's used as one word in a different ideology, lol, but the statement was that the non-Christian thing will have a huge impact. I am surprised anyone thinks this.

rr165892

Dig,You get it dude.Cheers to your above post.

JimmyV

PJ_Soul said:

JimmyV said:

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

Jason P said:

I think Bernie would lose the entire south and midwest, with the exception of Illinois and maybe Michigan after the super PAC commercial campaign paints him as a socialist non-christian.

Yeah the non Christian thing will bite him. It is though so refreshing to have a candidate that's not praising mythical gods.

..... So Americans really are that racist towards secular Jews?? Really?

The Socialist aspect (Democratic or otherwise, it won't matter) will be a bigger detriment than his Judaism. That won't fly in many places.

I understand that a lot of Americans are illogically and ignorantly scared of the word "Socialism" even when it's used as one word in a different ideology, lol, but the statement was that the non-Christian thing will have a huge impact. I am surprised anyone thinks this.

I hear you. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand how or why the American lunatic right will react to things. So maybe his religion will play a bigger role than I anticipate, but none of those people were going to vote for the Democrat anyway. The socialism angle though, that will have an impact in moderate households. Independent households. Some Democratic households, too. That's why I think it will be a much bigger deal.

Free

rr165892 said:

Gern,Mamasan is
a. Not trolling and entitled to a counter view,like myself who also isn't trolling.
b.Putting up some funny and interesting pics.What you think Utopia will be free?
C. Is Female.Cant you Libs read.lol

Free,don't hold back.You got something to say,say it.Its all good.Im a big boy,nothing needs to be edited.

And The thing I do really like about Bernie is he isn't a bible thumper and would be the first Jewish Pres.But I can't get past his nonsense policy.

?
I meant edited because I added text.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Gern,Mamasan is
a. Not trolling and entitled to a counter view,like myself who also isn't trolling.
b.Putting up some funny and interesting pics.What you think Utopia will be free?
C. Is Female.Cant you Libs read.lol

Free,don't hold back.You got something to say,say it.Its all good.Im a big boy,nothing needs to be edited.

And The thing I do really like about Bernie is he isn't a bible thumper and would be the first Jewish Pres.But I can't get past his nonsense policy.

You don't troll, you bring a different opinion to the table and you discuss it like an adult with dignity.

PJPOWER

Gern Blansten said:

The military isn't "free"...why is it that the right wingers don't post memes showing how each GOP candidate is asking for "free" military spending? Or is Trump making Mexico pay for that to?

That's pretty much the definition of a straw man argument...just saying.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern,Mamasan is
a. Not trolling and entitled to a counter view,like myself who also isn't trolling.
b.Putting up some funny and interesting pics.What you think Utopia will be free?
C. Is Female.Cant you Libs read.lol

Free,don't hold back.You got something to say,say it.Its all good.Im a big boy,nothing needs to be edited.

And The thing I do really like about Bernie is he isn't a bible thumper and would be the first Jewish Pres.But I can't get past his nonsense policy.

How is it nonsense?

rgambs

http://usuncut.com/news/time-magazine-lying-bernie-photos-from-civil-rights-era-are-real/

Free

Oops

brianlux

rgambs said:

http://usuncut.com/news/time-magazine-lying-bernie-photos-from-civil-rights-era-are-real/

More evidence of media role in politics. Good article!

pickupyourwill

"Canada is considerably larger than the U.S., in sheer land mass, but has about one tenth the human population, some 31,000,000, creating some interesting challenges in animal protection. The entire population of Canada is about the same as can be found in the state of California."
(google)

So, is it safe to assume that the U.S.'s population (ten times that of Canada) would still work out okay with universal health care? If its been working great for Canada all these years, and if we basically copy their system of doing it, then how could it fail...right? It seems like a simple ideology to me, but all the haters are so skeptic. We have proof of a very similar country who are mostly happy, peaceful people...and they've been living with universal health care for a long time. But many Republicans still see it as a threat to the wealthy who will be damned if they have to bail out the poor or lazy waifs of the world. We know raising taxes is to be expected--I would assume that's how it is in Canada and other countries with it?

The problem is... the Republicans have waited 8 looong years for another Republican president (not patiently--Congress's resistance every step of the way against Obama has shown proof of that) and now they're going bat-shit crazy to the realization that there are more people hopeful for universal health care in the world and more people that consider themselves minorities which is what the Democratic Party represents (the underdogs). When you have a nation of more poor, lower class, middle class, working class, minorities than you do wealthy....what else can they expect? I'm sure many of those rich worked very hard to get where they are. But why can't universal health care be about helping everyone?--like the other countries who have it and are happy.

I am worried for Sanders that if he indeed did get President, how awful the Republicans would be to him. Would they fight him every step of the way just like Obama?--I'm sure they would. Is that how these next few decades are going to go? Republicans are just going to keep throwing their temper tantrum until they've had one of their own in their for atleast 8 years? Wow, all the government spending that goes into getting a new president then tearing up their plan, then 4 yrs later, tearing up another plan, and so on and so on---millions of dollars spent doing this over and over again.

brianlux

pickupyourwill said:

"Canada is considerably larger than the U.S., in sheer land mass, but has about one tenth the human population, some 31,000,000, creating some interesting challenges in animal protection. The entire population of Canada is about the same as can be found in the state of California."
(google)

So, is it safe to assume that the U.S.'s population (ten times that of Canada) would still work out okay with universal health care? If its been working great for Canada all these years, and if we basically copy their system of doing it, then how could it fail...right? It seems like a simple ideology to me, but all the haters are so skeptic. We have proof of a very similar country who are mostly happy, peaceful people...and they've been living with universal health care for a long time. But many Republicans still see it as a threat to the wealthy who will be damned if they have to bail out the poor or lazy waifs of the world. We know raising taxes is to be expected--I would assume that's how it is in Canada and other countries with it?

The problem is... the Republicans have waited 8 looong years for another Republican president (not patiently--Congress's resistance every step of the way against Obama has shown proof of that) and now they're going bat-shit crazy to the realization that there are more people hopeful for universal health care in the world and more people that consider themselves minorities which is what the Democratic Party represents (the underdogs). When you have a nation of more poor, lower class, middle class, working class, minorities than you do wealthy....what else can they expect? I'm sure many of those rich worked very hard to get where they are. But why can't universal health care be about helping everyone?--like the other countries who have it and are happy.

I am worried for Sanders that if he indeed did get President, how awful the Republicans would be to him. Would they fight him every step of the way just like Obama?--I'm sure they would. Is that how these next few decades are going to go? Republicans are just going to keep throwing their temper tantrum until they've had one of their own in their for atleast 8 years? Wow, all the government spending that goes into getting a new president then tearing up their plan, then 4 yrs later, tearing up another plan, and so on and so on---millions of dollars spent doing this over and over again.

Excellent post, pickupyour will.

I too cannot understand why others would not want universal health care. Perhaps it's because some of them already have coverage and are afraid they might have to pay more taxes (which is not the case, but most won't take the time to understand how Sanders plan works- and we've offered that answer in AMT a number of times already). What many don't seem to understand is that a healthy people make for a healthier nation and a healthier world.

If Sanders gets elected, he will get a lot of resistance from the Republican party but that party is falling apart as we can see by looking at it's front runners in the up-coming election. The big names in that party are desperately trying to dupe their followers into thinking that big money and corporate America are good for them. Eventually only those who really are super wealthy or those who are easily duped will continue to follow this line of thinking and the disaster in that is that we could end up with basically a one party system. That's not good because though many Democratic politicians appear to be socially more progressive, they are only willing to appear so as long as they are comfortable themselves. This is not true altruism.

And this is where Bernie comes in. Sanders and other political persons like him are more concerned with equity and fairness and people are beginning to see that other countries that follow those kinds of practices (such as the more democratic socialist countries in Europe and yes, to some degree Canada) have populations that are much more content and well off than most people here in America. People, especially younger generations, are wising up. Things will get better as long as people don't give up or become apathetic.

ldent42

There's got to be something to the population argument though. I just worry that he might try to put the universal healthcare in the power of the state - because MY state is full of corrupt ass sleazebags lol