Bernie Sanders for President

pickupyourwill

brianlux said:

pickupyourwill said:

"Canada is considerably larger than the U.S., in sheer land mass, but has about one tenth the human population, some 31,000,000, creating some interesting challenges in animal protection. The entire population of Canada is about the same as can be found in the state of California."
(google)

So, is it safe to assume that the U.S.'s population (ten times that of Canada) would still work out okay with universal health care? If its been working great for Canada all these years, and if we basically copy their system of doing it, then how could it fail...right? It seems like a simple ideology to me, but all the haters are so skeptic. We have proof of a very similar country who are mostly happy, peaceful people...and they've been living with universal health care for a long time. But many Republicans still see it as a threat to the wealthy who will be damned if they have to bail out the poor or lazy waifs of the world. We know raising taxes is to be expected--I would assume that's how it is in Canada and other countries with it?

The problem is... the Republicans have waited 8 looong years for another Republican president (not patiently--Congress's resistance every step of the way against Obama has shown proof of that) and now they're going bat-shit crazy to the realization that there are more people hopeful for universal health care in the world and more people that consider themselves minorities which is what the Democratic Party represents (the underdogs). When you have a nation of more poor, lower class, middle class, working class, minorities than you do wealthy....what else can they expect? I'm sure many of those rich worked very hard to get where they are. But why can't universal health care be about helping everyone?--like the other countries who have it and are happy.

I am worried for Sanders that if he indeed did get President, how awful the Republicans would be to him. Would they fight him every step of the way just like Obama?--I'm sure they would. Is that how these next few decades are going to go? Republicans are just going to keep throwing their temper tantrum until they've had one of their own in their for atleast 8 years? Wow, all the government spending that goes into getting a new president then tearing up their plan, then 4 yrs later, tearing up another plan, and so on and so on---millions of dollars spent doing this over and over again.

Excellent post, pickupyour will.

I too cannot understand why others would not want universal health care. Perhaps it's because some of them already have coverage and are afraid they might have to pay more taxes (which is not the case, but most won't take the time to understand how Sanders plan works- and we've offered that answer in AMT a number of times already). What many don't seem to understand is that a healthy people make for a healthier nation and a healthier world.

If Sanders gets elected, he will get a lot of resistance from the Republican party but that party is falling apart as we can see by looking at it's front runners in the up-coming election. The big names in that party are desperately trying to dupe their followers into thinking that big money and corporate America are good for them. Eventually only those who really are super wealthy or those who are easily duped will continue to follow this line of thinking and the disaster in that is that we could end up with basically a one party system. That's not good because though many Democratic politicians appear to be socially more progressive, they are only willing to appear so as long as they are comfortable themselves. This is not true altruism.

And this is where Bernie comes in. Sanders and other political persons like him are more concerned with equity and fairness and people are beginning to see that other countries that follow those kinds of practices (such as the more democratic socialist countries in Europe and yes, to some degree Canada) have populations that are much more content and well off than most people here in America. People, especially younger generations, are wising up. Things will get better as long as people don't give up or become apathetic.

I hope people will not give up either, Brian. It seems like a big mountain to climb.

"I too cannot understand why others would not want universal health care. Perhaps it's because some of them already have coverage and are afraid they might have to pay more taxes (which is not the case, but most won't take the time to understand how Sanders plan works-".....I think they are afraid that they will have to pay the higher taxes while still paying fees for their insurance because of the transition period. Since universal has never been done in our country yet, its a big trust issue with many people to just say pay us more right now and it will all work out in the end. Life has taught most of us that is not usually the case. It still seems a little risky to those who just want to stay on the straight and narrow in their golden years--from what I understand--and then they all have a problem with the Socialist thing and past socialism in history.

The whole population thing does seem a bit tricky. Every time I watch a debate and they compare us to another country in Europe, which must be around 1/20th the population of America if Canada is 1/10th, it doesn't seem to balance. These politicians are always saying we have the worst childhood poverty, gun violence, etc......yeah, but we also have one of the countries in the world with the largest population so of course we're going to have more of the bad as well. I don't know if they actually go by percentages or what but seems weird to me that they are always comparing our big mammoth mass of people to another tiny little country with hardly any population.

I think it would be a little scary if the universal health care was put in the power of the state. It probably would get messed up by some of the corrupt ones, especially since its the first time trying it in this country--lots of skeptics. But I do agree with Bernie that the states need to be more in charge with many things that the government doesn't need to waste its time with--local stuff, etc. I've heard other politicians mention that to--that the states could be in charge of a lot of the little stuff the gov't does.

PJ_Soul

More people = more money/taxes/hospitals/doctors/administrators.... i don't see why the population should make universal health care impossible at all. Just make the body that runs it 10 times bigger so they can handle it.

pickupyourwill

PJ_Soul said:

More people = more money/taxes/hospitals/doctors/administrators.... i don't see why the population should make universal health care impossible at all. Just make the body that runs it 10 times bigger so they can handle it.

I agree. It really isn't that complicated. I'm sure its been discussed many times in this thread, I'm just late to the party--catching up.

meganrose

If Bernie wins tomorrow, the domino-effect that will ensue will be monumental.

Leezestarr313

The problem is that people think they pay their hard-earned money for no goods who do nothing to support the community at all. I would actually like to see what would happen in Germany, if a similar situation like in the US would start to happen there. Everybody of course is complaining about taxes and everything being to expensive as well, but if you would take peoples' health care away, there would be riots.

my2hands

Bernies campaign is already a success...

PJfanwillneverleave1

Too little, too late.
Past his prime.
I apologize in advance when the rip thread for him comes.
I liked the guy.
Don't take this as sarcasm

brianlux

meganrose said:

If Bernie wins tomorrow, the domino-effect that will ensue will be monumental.

Not to worry! Japanese students will make a model of it, film it and yet again break the Domino-fall World Record.

But seriously, we are already hard falling dominoes falling on a depleting supply of cushions upon which to gently land. Globally, economically, resource-wise and environmentally, things will change whether we participate or not. This is written on the wall and and cried on the street corner.

The Juggler

Gern Blansten

The Juggler said:

that's pretty powerful...

rgambs

That's what I want in a President, a man who fights for what's right, not some pansy rich bitch or religious zealot who hasn't done shit, not Hillary, not Trump, not Cruz.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

that's pretty powerful...

What is this picture?, briefly

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

that's pretty powerful...

What is this picture?, briefly

Bernie being arrested for protesting the deplorable treatment of black people in 1963.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
Why doesn't stuff like this pop up in debates, media etc?
Candidates history need to be exposed fully - it would change a lot of things.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Why doesn't stuff like this pop up in debates, media etc?
Candidates history need to be exposed fully - it would change a lot of things.

It has been recently, his civil rights demonstrations are widely known, accepted, and documented. Of course, that didn't stop major media outlets from erroneously reporting that an iconic photo of him (not this one) was actually someone else.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
Man of the people for sure.
I still think he waited waaay to long to run.
He is going to want to do too much too fast if he gets in - as his time is limited.
That is not how government works and he of all people should know that.

rgambs

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
Man of the people for sure.
I still think he waited waaay to long to run.
He is going to want to do too much too fast if he gets in - as his time is limited.
That is not how government works and he of all people should know that.

He never stood a chance until now, the people had to get tired of the money in government first.

Gern Blansten

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/arrest-photo-21-year-old-bernie-sanders-emerges?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

A different angle plus newspaper article.

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rgambs said:

That's what I want in a President, a man who fights for what's right, not some pansy rich bitch or religious zealot who hasn't done shit, not Hillary, not Trump, not Cruz.

WOOT!

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Clinton projected to win NV with a very close lead. Clinton won eight years ago in Nevada though... What does that say?