Canadian Politics Redux

polaris_x

lukin2006 said:

EI is not a social program, it's a program that both the employee and employer pay into that happens to be run by the government. It's been no secret that the government over the years have used funds from that fund for purposes other than its intended use. If Trudeau was really different he'd see to it that the monies are only used for unemployed workers and the programs needed by said workers. EI should be a program administered arms length from the government. So as it stands now EI is just another payroll tax.

it is a social program ... by any definition ...

http://mapleleafweb.com/features/employment-insurance-canada-history-structure-and-issues

lukin2006

I'm sure by definition it is ... To me it's a payroll tax, same as CPP.

lukin2006

Don Braid: Alberta gets another poke in the eye from Ontario gas ban plan

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/don-braid-alberta-gets-another-poke-in-the-eye-from-ontario-gas-ban-plan

Kevin Libin: Ontario’s big, green assisted economic suicide plan

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/kevin-libin-ontarios-big-green-assisted-economic-suicide-plan

More stupidity from this government long past its replace date .... Now I doubt they'd ever get away from banning natural gas. But seriously where buying 95% of our natural gas from the states ....

polaris_x

lukin2006 said:

Don Braid: Alberta gets another poke in the eye from Ontario gas ban plan

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/don-braid-alberta-gets-another-poke-in-the-eye-from-ontario-gas-ban-plan

Kevin Libin: Ontario’s big, green assisted economic suicide plan

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/kevin-libin-ontarios-big-green-assisted-economic-suicide-plan

More stupidity from this government long past its replace date .... Now I doubt they'd ever get away from banning natural gas. But seriously where buying 95% of our natural gas from the states ....

dude ... when Ontario's manufacturing went to shit because all our policies were to prop the oil and gas industry and our dollar went through the roof ... don't think anyone gave two shits about Ontario ...

as for buying as from the states ... it's called NAFTA ...

lukin2006

Liberals unveil plan to protect human rights of transgender Canadians

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-unveil-plan-to-outlaw-transgender-hate-speech-discrimination/article30058389/

lukin2006

Energy, auto sectors raise red flags over Ontario climate plan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/energy-auto-sectors-raise-red-flags-over-ontario-climate-plan/article30056904/

dignin

lukin2006 said:

Liberals unveil plan to protect human rights of transgender Canadians

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-unveil-plan-to-outlaw-transgender-hate-speech-discrimination/article30058389/

It's night and day from what is happening in the states right now. Makes me proud that we are moving in the right direction.

lukin2006

dignin said:

lukin2006 said:

Liberals unveil plan to protect human rights of transgender Canadians

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-unveil-plan-to-outlaw-transgender-hate-speech-discrimination/article30058389/

It's night and day from what is happening in the states right now. Makes me proud that we are moving in the right direction.

I totally agree ... But never hurts to be proactive.

PJfanwillneverleave1

dignin said:

lukin2006 said:

Liberals unveil plan to protect human rights of transgender Canadians

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-unveil-plan-to-outlaw-transgender-hate-speech-discrimination/article30058389/

It's night and day from what is happening in the states right now. Makes me proud that we are moving in the right direction.

Good news and one point for Trudeau.

lukin2006

Ottawa's legal manoeuvre on veterans benefits called 'a betrayal'

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kent-hehr-veterans-court-benefits-1.3586013

...and I'll deduct 10 against the government ... And when/if they ever make this right he still loses my confidence and it'll never be regained. I come from a family of WW1 and WW2 veterans ... To even remotely make these fine folks fight for their propet benefits is just shameful.

PJfanwillneverleave1

This whole incident http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-whip-1.3588407
is strange.
If Harper did this there would be outrage.
Anyone who does not condone violence in any way, shape or form whatsoever must acknowledge that this is unacceptable behaviour.

qontheboard

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This whole incident http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-whip-1.3588407
is strange.
If Harper did this there would be outrage.
Anyone who does not condone violence in any way, shape or form whatsoever must acknowledge that this is unacceptable behaviour.

Unacceptable behaviour... hilarious! What that NDP woman did is called a dive in soccer. Mulclair's over the top outrage was quite funny. Story over.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

NDP clowns.

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This whole incident http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-whip-1.3588407
is strange.
If Harper did this there would be outrage.
Anyone who does not condone violence in any way, shape or form whatsoever must acknowledge that this is unacceptable behaviour.

I don't think there is any violence going on there at all. Taking hold of someone's arm and leading them out of a stupid argument isn't violence and anyone claiming that it is is trying to take advantage of the situation. The elbow was completely accidental (I had a hard time seeing it at all). It's kind of a weird scene all around, but we all know that much crazier shit has happened in government. At any rate, I am filing this one under "I couldn't care less", especially since Trudeau has genuinely apologized more than once already. I would feel the same if Harper had done the same, because it's nothing more than a bit of a weird intervention between people acting like idiots. Looking forward to it getting out of the news so I can hear people talking about important shit again.

lukin2006

That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.

PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.

dignin

Entire NDP caucus arrive in neck braces, wheelchairs to House of Commons after Trudeau's assault

http://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/2690-entire-ndp-caucus-arrive-in-neck-braces-wheelchairs-to-house-of-commons-after-trudeau-s-assault

What Trudeau did was stupid but Mulcairs reaction to it was just as stupid. The Conservatives were the only ones who weren't embarrassing themselves.

PJfanwillneverleave1

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.

PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.

So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

This whole incident http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-conservative-whip-1.3588407
is strange.
If Harper did this there would be outrage.
Anyone who does not condone violence in any way, shape or form whatsoever must acknowledge that this is unacceptable behaviour.

I don't think there is any violence going on there at all. Taking hold of someone's arm and leading them out of a stupid argument isn't violence and anyone claiming that it is is trying to take advantage of the situation. The elbow was completely accidental (I had a hard time seeing it at all). It's kind of a weird scene all around, but we all know that much crazier shit has happened in government. At any rate, I am filing this one under "I couldn't care less", especially since Trudeau has genuinely apologized more than once already. I would feel the same if Harper had done the same, because it's nothing more than a bit of a weird intervention between people acting like idiots. Looking forward to it getting out of the news so I can hear people talking about important shit again.

So there are rules that allow this behaviour while in session?