I don't know what's worse sometimes---the huge amount of people having no problem supporting the Clintons because their marriages too are mainly business only (infidelity can always be overlooked--let's face it--that's the reality of long-term marriage these days)----OR the huge amount of self-righteous Republican women who criticize Hillary for her decision to stay with Bill long before the e-mail nonsense, but ironically have been married forever and have husbands who have been cheating on them behind their backs all these years. There is so much hypocrisy in this country.
I guess I don't pretend to understand other people's marriages. That is between them and none of our business. I do find it ironic that Hillary is criticized for staying with Bill for richer or poor, good times and in bad, and criticized by the party of "family values".
Whenever I've asked my Republican family why they hate Hillary so much, it is usually because of the lying--"can't trust her", they say--the e-mails, whatever questionable scam the Clintons were involved in Arkansas--can't think of the name--things like that--decisions she made as a Senator after Bill's reign. So the whole infidelity thing really is small potatoes with them, I guess. BUT the fact that it was so public and out there-----I wonder how many outstanding Republican presidents were unfaithful as well--but some of these ignorant Republican women just go on living in their naive bubble. I actually have a hard time looking at any marriage nowadays as what it used to stand for in that area. As far as their "You can't trust her" motto they have going...PLEASE-- You can't trust Trump either hyprocrits who are voting for him and the whole time saying "Atleast its not Hillary"--get over your fucking selves.
My dislike for Hillary has zero to do with Bill's behaviour, Hillary's enabling and/or the state of their marriage. But based on these facts I certainly wouldn't allow either of them or the democratic party to play the woman card.
Allow? Huh? You must be joking. You disapprove of a woman "playing the woman card"? That doesn't even make sense. She's a woman, so she's not playing anything. That she's a woman is a real, absolute fact that really matters to the March towards general equality. I am not suggesting that anyone vote for her just because she's a woman (i would never do that FYI), but damn, if a woman becomes POTUS in a country and a world where women are STILL oppressed by men in a thousand different ways, it still certainly does matter.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Anyone who offers a public opinion on anyone else's marriage or judges someone they don't know based on a marriage is an asshole. Plain and simple.
As far as quality of the private relationship goes, usually I would agree (there are always exceptions.... I.e. if abuse is in the picture things change). It also seems reasonable when someone's statements directly contradict their marital situation (i.e. say if Trump insults someone else's marriage record while he's on his third marriage). And I think one might be smart to judge someone based on WHO they are married to, depending on the person.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Anyone who offers a public opinion on anyone else's marriage or judges someone they don't know based on a marriage is an asshole. Plain and simple.
As far as quality of the relationship goes, usually I would agree (there are always exceptions.... I.e. if abuse is in the picture things change). I think one might be smart to judge someone based on WHO they are married to, depending on the situation.
Fair points, especially on the abuse. Too many people these days put their nose in other peoples relationships. We're all adults and make our own decisions. I have plenty of friends whose spouse I do not like one bit, but it's not my relationship...
Agreed on the abuse.
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I enjoyed President Clinton's speech last night, especially the story about Hillary being undercover at the segregated school...a real gotcha moment lol. Found this today...she sure does get around. You know who that rocker is with her, right?
I really hope they don't... it was the song that, when it came out, made me say.."what the fuck happened to this band?" When did they become pro-war jingoists? You couldn't have a more opposite song from One or For Whom the Bell Tolls.
The same could be said for the songs No Remorse or Disposeable Heroes.
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I don't know what's worse sometimes---the huge amount of people having no problem supporting the Clintons because their marriages too are mainly business only (infidelity can always be overlooked--let's face it--that's the reality of long-term marriage these days)----OR the huge amount of self-righteous Republican women who criticize Hillary for her decision to stay with Bill long before the e-mail nonsense, but ironically have been married forever and have husbands who have been cheating on them behind their backs all these years. There is so much hypocrisy in this country.
I guess I don't pretend to understand other people's marriages. That is between them and none of our business. I do find it ironic that Hillary is criticized for staying with Bill for richer or poor, good times and in bad, and criticized by the party of "family values".
Whenever I've asked my Republican family why they hate Hillary so much, it is usually because of the lying--"can't trust her", they say--the e-mails, whatever questionable scam the Clintons were involved in Arkansas--can't think of the name--things like that--decisions she made as a Senator after Bill's reign. So the whole infidelity thing really is small potatoes with them, I guess. BUT the fact that it was so public and out there-----I wonder how many outstanding Republican presidents were unfaithful as well--but some of these ignorant Republican women just go on living in their naive bubble. I actually have a hard time looking at any marriage nowadays as what it used to stand for in that area. As far as their "You can't trust her" motto they have going...PLEASE-- You can't trust Trump either hyprocrits who are voting for him and the whole time saying "Atleast its not Hillary"--get over your fucking selves.
My dislike for Hillary has zero to do with Bill's behaviour, Hillary's enabling and/or the state of their marriage. But based on these facts I certainly wouldn't allow either of them or the democratic party to play the woman card.
Allow? Huh? You must be joking. You disapprove of a woman "playing the woman card"? That doesn't even make sense. She's a woman, so she's not playing anything. That she's a woman is a real, absolute fact that really matters to the March towards general equality. I am not suggesting that anyone vote for her just because she's a woman (i would never do that FYI), but damn, if a woman becomes POTUS in a country and a world where women are STILL oppressed by men in a thousand different ways, it still certainly does matter.
Sorry. A woman who enabled the character assassination of sexually assaulted women does not get to play the woman card. A woman who behaves that way is only concerned about her advancement and not the advancement of other women.
I don't know what's worse sometimes---the huge amount of people having no problem supporting the Clintons because their marriages too are mainly business only (infidelity can always be overlooked--let's face it--that's the reality of long-term marriage these days)----OR the huge amount of self-righteous Republican women who criticize Hillary for her decision to stay with Bill long before the e-mail nonsense, but ironically have been married forever and have husbands who have been cheating on them behind their backs all these years. There is so much hypocrisy in this country.
I guess I don't pretend to understand other people's marriages. That is between them and none of our business. I do find it ironic that Hillary is criticized for staying with Bill for richer or poor, good times and in bad, and criticized by the party of "family values".
Whenever I've asked my Republican family why they hate Hillary so much, it is usually because of the lying--"can't trust her", they say--the e-mails, whatever questionable scam the Clintons were involved in Arkansas--can't think of the name--things like that--decisions she made as a Senator after Bill's reign. So the whole infidelity thing really is small potatoes with them, I guess. BUT the fact that it was so public and out there-----I wonder how many outstanding Republican presidents were unfaithful as well--but some of these ignorant Republican women just go on living in their naive bubble. I actually have a hard time looking at any marriage nowadays as what it used to stand for in that area. As far as their "You can't trust her" motto they have going...PLEASE-- You can't trust Trump either hyprocrits who are voting for him and the whole time saying "Atleast its not Hillary"--get over your fucking selves.
My dislike for Hillary has zero to do with Bill's behaviour, Hillary's enabling and/or the state of their marriage. But based on these facts I certainly wouldn't allow either of them or the democratic party to play the woman card.
Allow? Huh? You must be joking. You disapprove of a woman "playing the woman card"? That doesn't even make sense. She's a woman, so she's not playing anything. That she's a woman is a real, absolute fact that really matters to the March towards general equality. I am not suggesting that anyone vote for her just because she's a woman (i would never do that FYI), but damn, if a woman becomes POTUS in a country and a world where women are STILL oppressed by men in a thousand different ways, it still certainly does matter.
Sorry. A woman who enabled the character assassination of sexually assaulted women does not get to play the woman card. A woman who behaves that way is only concerned about her advancement and not the advancement of other women.
That's ridiculous. Any woman can play the woman card.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't know what's worse sometimes---the huge amount of people having no problem supporting the Clintons because their marriages too are mainly business only (infidelity can always be overlooked--let's face it--that's the reality of long-term marriage these days)----OR the huge amount of self-righteous Republican women who criticize Hillary for her decision to stay with Bill long before the e-mail nonsense, but ironically have been married forever and have husbands who have been cheating on them behind their backs all these years. There is so much hypocrisy in this country.
I guess I don't pretend to understand other people's marriages. That is between them and none of our business. I do find it ironic that Hillary is criticized for staying with Bill for richer or poor, good times and in bad, and criticized by the party of "family values".
Whenever I've asked my Republican family why they hate Hillary so much, it is usually because of the lying--"can't trust her", they say--the e-mails, whatever questionable scam the Clintons were involved in Arkansas--can't think of the name--things like that--decisions she made as a Senator after Bill's reign. So the whole infidelity thing really is small potatoes with them, I guess. BUT the fact that it was so public and out there-----I wonder how many outstanding Republican presidents were unfaithful as well--but some of these ignorant Republican women just go on living in their naive bubble. I actually have a hard time looking at any marriage nowadays as what it used to stand for in that area. As far as their "You can't trust her" motto they have going...PLEASE-- You can't trust Trump either hyprocrits who are voting for him and the whole time saying "Atleast its not Hillary"--get over your fucking selves.
My dislike for Hillary has zero to do with Bill's behaviour, Hillary's enabling and/or the state of their marriage. But based on these facts I certainly wouldn't allow either of them or the democratic party to play the woman card.
Allow? Huh? You must be joking. You disapprove of a woman "playing the woman card"? That doesn't even make sense. She's a woman, so she's not playing anything. That she's a woman is a real, absolute fact that really matters to the March towards general equality. I am not suggesting that anyone vote for her just because she's a woman (i would never do that FYI), but damn, if a woman becomes POTUS in a country and a world where women are STILL oppressed by men in a thousand different ways, it still certainly does matter.
Sorry. A woman who enabled the character assassination of sexually assaulted women does not get to play the woman card. A woman who behaves that way is only concerned about her advancement and not the advancement of other women.
That's ridiculous. Any woman can play the woman card.
They can but they just might get laughed at while they do it.
Virginia senator Tim Kaine will be Hillary Clinton’s running mate on the Democratic Party ticket in the 2016 presidential election. Here’s what you need to know about Kaine:
Children: Nat Kaine—an active duty infantry officer in the United States Marine Corps—and two others
Religious Views: Weird kind of Catholic where you don’t let it affect your political decision-making
Likability: It’s becoming increasingly clear this doesn’t matter
Favorite Food: Plain
Relationship To Banks: Committed, long-term
Childhood Dream: To help shore up support among conservative Democrats and secure a pivotal swing state
Biggest Strength: Can speak Spanish almost as well as the many actual Hispanic candidates Clinton could have chosen
Biggest Liability: As Virginia governor, appointed Robert Bloxom as State Secretary of Agriculture and Forestry, and look how that shit-for-brains fucked everything up
Volunteer Work: Has worked as missionary converting Hondurans and, more recently, undecided voters
Political Positions: Please refer to HillaryClinton.com
I enjoyed President Clinton's speech last night, especially the story about Hillary being undercover at the segregated school...a real gotcha moment lol. Found this today...she sure does get around. You know who that rocker is with her, right?
Are we supposed to be impressed w/ not only Lars Ulrich but any celebrity? Oh, there's a celebrity! I must believe Hillary for every word she tells me because she standing with a rockstar.
Pbt.
Really? The Republicans threw Chachi up there.
Hey! Charles is in Charge of my vote. And Kirk Cameron is in charge of my eternal salvation. And I'm going to look into the strength of Leif Garrett's financial acumen, and then I will be all set!!
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Yeah somewhere that isn't being covered. There is no appetite to have her splashed all over the news with a press conference. People want to hear Trump.
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Giving a prepared speech isn't an interview. It isn't a press conference. George Bush did the same. This crook isn't even in office yet and she's already dodging reporters.
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Giving a prepared speech isn't an interview. It isn't a press conference. George Bush did the same. This crook isn't even in office yet and she's already dodging reporters.
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Giving a prepared speech isn't an interview. It isn't a press conference. George Bush did the same. This crook isn't even in office yet and she's already dodging reporters.
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Giving a prepared speech isn't an interview. It isn't a press conference. George Bush did the same. This crook isn't even in office yet and she's already dodging reporters.
Yeah, but do you realize a big portion of the interview was not aired? Read through the damn post.
I've got a feeling that no matter what I find, it would be enough. You said she hasn't been doing any press, well, she has been. I guess CBS doesn't qualify as an alternative news source.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Giving a prepared speech isn't an interview. It isn't a press conference. George Bush did the same. This crook isn't even in office yet and she's already dodging reporters.
Yeah, but do you realize a big portion of the interview was not aired? Read through the damn post.
I've got a feeling that no matter what I find, it would be enough. You said she hasn't been doing any press, well, she has been. I guess CBS doesn't qualify as an alternative news source.
She hasn't, but what do you care? You're still with her and that fact is perfectly fine with you, just like I'm sure you were fine with Bush was doing it. The difference here is that if we, on the left, had a candidate who won fair and square and wasn't surrounded with loads of shit we would have probably united already- That means anyone who won fair and square would have probably had our support already!!! Get that through your head! We aren't with her because she is shady as shit! That's it! Not because she's a woman, not because she's an establishment candidate, not because of whatever other excuse you want to come out with.
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Giving a prepared speech isn't an interview. It isn't a press conference. George Bush did the same. This crook isn't even in office yet and she's already dodging reporters.
Yeah, but do you realize a big portion of the interview was not aired? Read through the damn post.
I've got a feeling that no matter what I find, it would be enough. You said she hasn't been doing any press, well, she has been. I guess CBS doesn't qualify as an alternative news source.
She hasn't, but what do you care? You're still with her and that fact is perfectly fine with you, just like I'm sure you were fine with Bush was doing it. The difference here is that if we, on the left, had a candidate who won fair and square and wasn't surrounded with loads of shit we would have probably united already- That means anyone who won fair and square would have probably had our support already!!! Get that through your head! We aren't with her because she is shady as shit! That's it! Not because she's a woman, not because she's an establishment candidate, not because of whatever other excuse you want to come out with.
Apparently you don't read through all the threads because Ive made it clear in several threads that I'm not a Clinton supporter nor am I voting for her.
will myself to find a home, a home within myself we will find a way, we will find our place
The inability of some to not understand nor appreciate or accept, what is essentially, and has always been, since the founding, the rough and tumble jungle, of our political, representative democracy, is astounding. Oh, the faux or misguided outrage. Take a Poly Sci course for crying out loud.
The inability of some to not understand nor appreciate or accept, what is essentially, and has always been, since the founding, the rough and tumble jungle, of our political, representative democracy, is astounding. Oh, the faux or misguided outrage. Take a Poly Sci course for crying out loud.
I know. People keep acting like this drama and divisiveness is something new, and in the past there was this gentlemanly process where fairness and respect were valued.
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The inability of some to not understand nor appreciate or accept, what is essentially, and has always been, since the founding, the rough and tumble jungle, of our political, representative democracy, is astounding. Oh, the faux or misguided outrage. Take a Poly Sci course for crying out loud.
I know. People keep acting like this drama and divisiveness is something new, and in the past there was this gentlemanly process where fairness and respect were valued.
My poli sci prof said something about politics being about different side striving to get what they want. I think within all that, there must be room for dissension and definitely more colors. Two tone politics are far too limiting. There has to be room for dissenters, radicals, libertarians, true anarchists, visionaries and definitely lone wolves. Otherwise we are left with a few lowest common denominators.
"Vox clamantis in deserto"
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I can't vote for Hillary to vote against Trump. I'm voting for Jill Stein. Mind made, done with this bullshit.
I'm right with ya. Except Gary Johnson is my guy. I couldn't stomach voting for Hillary just in spite of Trump.
Right on. Vote your conscience. No more lesser of two evils bullshit!
I agree with this. My honest question for those who understand the checks and balances in the States: would the checks and balances not prevent unconstitutional behaviour from Trump (even with the existence of the Executive Order)? Because if so, maybe in the interest of irreparably damaging the Republican Party's reputation it would be worth four years of Trump.
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I can't vote for Hillary to vote against Trump. I'm voting for Jill Stein. Mind made, done with this bullshit.
I'm right with ya. Except Gary Johnson is my guy. I couldn't stomach voting for Hillary just in spite of Trump.
Right on. Vote your conscience. No more lesser of two evils bullshit!
I agree with this. My honest question for those who understand the checks and balances in the States: would the checks and balances not prevent unconstitutional behaviour from Trump (even with the existence of the Executive Order)? Because if so, maybe in the interest of irreparably damaging the Republican Party's reputation it would be worth four years of Trump.
It depends, if the GOP maintains the House and Senate, then Trump appoints conservative judges, there are no more checks and balances.
Why hasn't Hillary given a press conference? It's Been months. Is this something she learned from George w bush?
She gives a speech every other day somewhere. What do you want her to say?
Yeah somewhere that isn't being covered. There is no appetite to have her splashed all over the news with a press conference. People want to hear Trump.
Trump...the people's choice.
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You must be joking. You disapprove of a woman "playing the woman card"? That doesn't even make sense. She's a woman, so she's not playing anything. That she's a woman is a real, absolute fact that really matters to the March towards general equality. I am not suggesting that anyone vote for her just because she's a woman (i would never do that FYI), but damn, if a woman becomes POTUS in a country and a world where women are STILL oppressed by men in a thousand different ways, it still certainly does matter.
Agreed on the abuse.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Children:
Nat Kaine—an active duty infantry officer in the United States Marine Corps—and two others
Previous Occupation:
Prospective vice presidential candidate
Years Spent Sort Of Blending Into Scenery:
58
Religious Views:
Weird kind of Catholic where you don’t let it affect your political decision-making
Likability:
It’s becoming increasingly clear this doesn’t matter
Favorite Food:
Plain
Relationship To Banks:
Committed, long-term
Childhood Dream:
To help shore up support among conservative Democrats and secure a pivotal swing state
Biggest Strength:
Can speak Spanish almost as well as the many actual Hispanic candidates Clinton could have chosen
Biggest Liability:
As Virginia governor, appointed Robert Bloxom as State Secretary of Agriculture and Forestry, and look how that shit-for-brains fucked everything up
Volunteer Work:
Has worked as missionary converting Hondurans and, more recently, undecided voters
Political Positions:
Please refer to HillaryClinton.com
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There is no appetite to have her splashed all over the news with a press conference.
People want to hear Trump.
we will find a way, we will find our place
we will find a way, we will find our place
we will find a way, we will find our place
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon